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Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:36:00 - [1] I have heard many diffrent answers, but never one from ccp. Is it or is it not an exploit to steal ships from a POS by bumping them out, and or bounceing an egg out of a ship into the pos shields, and placeing a bookmark in the pos. Then, warping to a planet in line with the pos and warping back into the shields - clicking "board ship" and stealing it.
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:44:00 - [2] If unsure, Petition the question for an official answer. You need to bear in mind that "some guy on the forums said it was OK" isn't considered in most circles a plausible line of defence. Only a GM can give you a straight and correct answer. CAPTAIN THUNK See this hook? variable speed and five alternate attatchments baby.
Tortilla Smasher The Stain Project The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:46:00 - [3] Put it like this; they havn't cared up till now. -- This is a signature. Un-hijacked since forever *emo-tear this space is MINE! - Deckard
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:47:00 - [4] Edited by: sableye on 27/04/2007 11:44:47 if it looks and sounds like an exploit then it most likely is, as said though only petition can answer that for you but I have heard of a few petitons on this subject and they all say differnt things so I guess even they don'nt give you clear cut answer. I should think though personally they all go down as exploit, the one that seems to cause most confusion amongst gm's is bumping ships while in combat. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:47:00 - [5] It was not my ship, i just saw it being done. can I still petition it?

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:57:00 - [6] Edited by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc on 27/04/2007 12:10:47 Well its a not how POS's are meant to work it is a unintended game merchanic so should not work so by common sence i would therefore say its its a exploit. (and i certianly wouldent risk doing it) But for a official responce i recommend a petition to the gm's. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| [email protected] \| ME They call me Hutch. I have forgotten why

Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.27 12:08:00 - [7] Thanks, I think I will, even if it was not my ship. I will say it was a great experiance being in system when it happened And for proof that it was done I have great pictures, you have to love cloaking devices.
Ex0101 Gallente PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2007.04.27 12:18:00 - [8] If it isnt classed as an exploit id be very surprised, and imo it definately should be
dor amwar Occam's Razor Combine R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.27 12:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Rorin Cutter Thanks, I think I will, even if it was not my ship. I will say it was a great experiance being in system when it happened And for proof that it was done I have great pictures, you have to love cloaking devices. can ya post the pics?
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.04.27 12:26:00 - [10] CCP Exploit Problem #1: Many known exploits are left in the game, and are not removed. CCP Exploit Problem #2: Any usage of an exploit to gain an advantage is only punished if the person exploited against notices it, recognises it as an exploit and then petitions a GM. CCP Exploit Problem #3: GM's responses to exploitations are to be kept private at all times, thus ensuring that any corruption, inconsistency or failing is kept hidden from the paying public. CCP Exploit Problem #4: Any known or new exploit is only ever revealed as an exploit to the person who petitions a GM. All other players must rely on second hand information and popular rumours to determine whether a particular action is an exploit or not. CCP Exploit Problem #5: Not knowing it is an exploit is no defence if you use the exploit. You are supposed to keep yourself informed of all exploits. CCP provide no official means of doing this except for petitioning GMs. As the exploit status of an action may change, each player must repetition each day to ensure that what was an exploit yesterday, is still an exploit today, or vice versa. CCP Exploit Problem #6: There is no longer any fully accepted reason beyond personal morality to feel as though one should play within the rules of the game as published. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.27 12:37:00 - [11] Am I allowed to here in the forum? humm. There are some great shots of an Erebus.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 12:39:00 - [12] Oh please dont pettition this....POS messed up enough as it is, I just cant imagine what will happen if they try to fix it.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.27 13:35:00 - [13] too late
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:24:00 - [14] After thinking about it, and uploading a few, here are the links to them. A note: I did not upload or link the "proof" because I do not want to obstruct anything that ccp is doing. When it's over then I will link the rest I would say these give a GREAT feel for what went on though. Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Linkage 3 Linkage 4 I hate people who steal
Serilla The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Rorin Cutter After thinking about it, and uploading a few, here are the links to them. A note: I did not upload or link the "proof" because I do not want to obstruct anything that ccp is doing. When it's over then I will link the rest I would say these give a GREAT feel for what went on though. Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Linkage 3 Linkage 4 I hate people who steal lol __________________
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Rorin Cutter After thinking about it, and uploading a few, here are the links to them. A note: I did not upload or link the "proof" because I do not want to obstruct anything that ccp is doing. When it's over then I will link the rest I would say these give a GREAT feel for what went on though. Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Linkage 3 Linkage 4 I hate people who steal hahahaha ET is crazy i'm told this has happend to us before, it was petetioned and we were told it was not an exploit. i've also heard of and seen screenies of motherships/titans in enemy POS scooping ships to ship maintenance arrays...the end
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:57:00 - [17] If thats true, then it answers my question, I just want to know if it is or is not an explote. the stealing thing sucks, but there is lot's of that kind of stuff in EvE. I must say, i never ever thought I would have a chance to pew pew with a Titan. That night I felt like I had won eve
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:02:00 - [18] Don't make the mistake of thinking that because a GM says it isn't an exploit that it isn't an exploit. petition the same thing twice and there's a good chance you'll get two different answers. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:08:00 - [19] Originally by: SN3263827 Don't make the mistake of thinking that because a GM says it isn't an exploit that it isn't an exploit. petition the same thing twice and there's a good chance you'll get two different answers. haha depends which alliance is doing it if it does come back that its an exploit your going to have alot of angry people with stolen ships spamming these forums
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:15:00 - [20] The Establishment stole some ships from our POS in e3-sdz few months ago. We wrote petition : Quote: Hi. Our apologies for the late reply. The ships were bounced outside of the shield, they were not scooped up while inside it. To prevent this we recommend that you use ship maintenance arrays to store your ships. Storing your ships without a maintenance array will always leave them at risk. This is reply from CCP. Hence, I`m sorry for your loss, but CCP perfectly allowed it.
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:19:00 - [21] Edited by: Rorin Cutter on 28/04/2007 15:15:44 This was not a ship bounceing
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:21:00 - [22] Really ?
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Rorin Cutter Edited by: Rorin Cutter on 28/04/2007 15:15:44 This was not a ship bounceing Originally by: Rorin Cutter I have heard many diffrent answers, but never one from ccp. Is it or is it not an exploit to steal ships from a POS by bumping them out, ???
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Rorin Cutter I have heard many diffrent answers, but never one from ccp. Is it or is it not an exploit to steal ships from a POS by bumping them out, and or bounceing an egg out of a ship into the pos shields, and placeing a bookmark in the pos. Then, warping to a planet in line with the pos and warping back into the shields - clicking "board ship" and stealing it. Using a BM to grab a ship inside of the POS shield sounds like an exploit. Bumpng a ship out from the inside is just corptheft, lack of a POS shield password, or whatever. Doesn't sound like an exploit, you're just taking advantage of someone's bad call. But the BM to grab something from inside a shield you cannot enter, i'd say yes.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:02:00 - [25] I dont think your ship is in any danger of this if you leave it fully inside the pos shield. But if you decide to leave half of your ship outside of the field, somebody's pod will gladly nudge it out and take it on a joyride
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:41:00 - [26] Depends on who your GM is. They have **** consistency, and never seem to have any one decision going for everyone. So escalate if you don't like the answer. ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
monkeyduck Mithril Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:45:00 - [27] Keep on doing it. Make sure to randomly pick the individuals you do it to. One day, you'll do it to the wrong person. Then you will have an extended downtime named after you. Until then, carry on

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