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THTILB T
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.24 03:27:30 -
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i took a courier contract which transporting stuffs from (Jita IV - moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assemble Plant) to (Parra - Near Jita Drop Off) which is also a private station, and then i got denied from docking to delivery the stuffs. I tried to contact that dude, however he reply that it was a scam.
name of scammer: Danny Long WangTun
i have screenshot as the evidence.
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THTILB T
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.02.24 03:32:42 -
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may i have my isk back? |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3820
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Posted - 2017.02.24 04:00:52 -
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THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back?
No. What did you learn?
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Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
Vendetta Mercenary Group
219
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Posted - 2017.02.24 11:17:38 -
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THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back?
Send me an eve-mail with all details involved and how it made you feel. I will send this forward to my reimbursement department.
All you require to do is send 150million isk so i can buy my guys some fedo's as a fee for doing ur dirty work. I will see to it you get ur collateral back. Honest. 
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renwahh
Wiking Brigade
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
110
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Posted - 2017.02.24 11:45:57 -
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I was this close to just giving you the isk you lost.
Then I thought well..
You didnt look into it properly
You dont understand Jita courier contracts that well which pretty much are all scams
You thought fast buck and nothing else.
So no I decided not to.
This is EvE and you have learnt your lesson hard. But atleast you wont do it again 
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
15
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Posted - 2017.02.24 12:01:41 -
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Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished; |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3823
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Posted - 2017.02.24 12:47:15 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished;
Before you accept the contract it says you may not be able to dock in this station when going to a non npc station. Also scamming is promoted not punished what game have you been playing?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27761
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Posted - 2017.02.24 13:25:45 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere; Eve's reputation for allowing scams etc is fairly well known.The lesson that you, and the OP, need to learn is that when starting something new it's often wise to do a little research beforehand.
Quote:That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all); When accepting a contract to a player owned station or citadel there's a popup that tells you that you may not be able to dock at your destination.
Quote:And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished; CCP purposefully limited the punishments that the game provides in order to drive conflict. If you're unhappy with the level of punishment that the game provides, it is up to you to inflict your flavour of punishment on those that you feel have wronged you. This is by design, it drives conflict, and Eve is all about conflict.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2116
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Posted - 2017.02.24 13:37:02 -
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THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back?
Oh my.
You are new here, aren't you ?
Also......
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAsnort
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3067
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Posted - 2017.02.24 14:46:46 -
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THTILB T wrote:i took a courier contract which transporting stuffs from (Jita IV - moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assemble Plant) to (Parra - Near Jita Drop Off) which is also a private station, and then i got denied from docking to delivery the stuffs. I tried to contact that dude, however he reply that it was a scam.
name of scammer: Danny Long WangTun
i have screenshot as the evidence.
THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back?
The likelihood of you ever getting your ISK back from the person who initiated the contract is pretty much zero.
However, I feel bad about your plight and wish to help. If you pay me the amount of the courier contract as an act of good faith and contrition, I will pay you back twice over so that you are made whole again.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
27
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Posted - 2017.02.24 15:19:02 -
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I firmly believe the OP is scamming.
I'm betting he's probably received at least a billion isk from various people who feel bad for the duped new player.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1983
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Posted - 2017.02.24 15:22:23 -
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Scialt wrote:I firmly believe the OP is scamming.
I'm betting he's probably received at least a billion isk from various people who feel bad for the duped new player.
If he does he is doing it right, right?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27765
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Posted - 2017.02.24 15:57:42 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:However, I feel bad about your plight and wish to help. If you pay me the amount of the courier contract as an act of good faith and contrition, I will pay you back twice over so that you are made whole again. I see that you are familiar with the song holy scripts of my people.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1936
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Posted - 2017.02.24 16:47:55 -
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310 million, go grind incursions for 3 hours....
Please provide the name of scammer so we can chastised him for getting so little isk....
310 lame
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1936
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Posted - 2017.02.24 16:52:02 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished;
Sounds like you need wardecced into oblivion for your naive ignorance of the game you play....
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27770
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Posted - 2017.02.24 18:13:45 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished; Sounds like you need wardecced into oblivion for your naive ignorance of the game you play.... Unfortunately he's an NPC nobody. I'll offer 50M for his corpse though.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
Solitaire.
151
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Posted - 2017.02.24 19:54:40 -
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Luukje wrote:THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back? Send me an eve-mail with all details involved and how it made you feel. I will send this forward to my reimbursement department. All you require to do is send 150million isk so i can buy my guys some fedo's as a fee for doing ur dirty work. I will see to it you get ur collateral back. Honest.
This is also a scam op don't fall for it. Everyone knows the fee for bounty hunting a scammer is 20% of lost isk.
He wants to charge you 150m. I'll do it for 60m. |
Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
Vendetta Mercenary Group
223
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Posted - 2017.02.24 22:46:48 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Luukje wrote:THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back? Send me an eve-mail with all details involved and how it made you feel. I will send this forward to my reimbursement department. All you require to do is send 150million isk so i can buy my guys some fedo's as a fee for doing ur dirty work. I will see to it you get ur collateral back. Honest. This is also a scam op don't fall for it. Everyone knows the fee for bounty hunting a scammer is 20% of lost isk. He wants to charge you 150m. I'll do it for 60m.
How dare you accuse me of this without any signs of proof! I DEMAND PROOF!
Noragen? court? |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3826
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Posted - 2017.02.24 23:27:51 -
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Luukje wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Luukje wrote:THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back? Send me an eve-mail with all details involved and how it made you feel. I will send this forward to my reimbursement department. All you require to do is send 150million isk so i can buy my guys some fedo's as a fee for doing ur dirty work. I will see to it you get ur collateral back. Honest. This is also a scam op don't fall for it. Everyone knows the fee for bounty hunting a scammer is 20% of lost isk. He wants to charge you 150m. I'll do it for 60m. How dare you accuse me of this without any signs of proof! I DEMAND PROOF! Noragen? court?
:shrugs: 
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
38
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Posted - 2017.02.27 06:58:36 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished; Before you accept the contract it says you may not be able to dock in this station when going to a non npc station. Also scamming is promoted not punished what game have you been playing?
TBh? Why before u accept a contract the notification doesnt tell u that U DONT have docking permission(?)
With a possibility of docking permission change with a delay of 24h
Beacuse like u said - CCP promote the scamming behavior - its like Would court said "well done mr burglar" |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3831
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Posted - 2017.02.27 08:29:27 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished; Before you accept the contract it says you may not be able to dock in this station when going to a non npc station. Also scamming is promoted not punished what game have you been playing? TBh? Why before u accept a contract the notification doesnt tell u that U DONT have docking permission(?) With a possibility of docking permission change with a delay of 24h Beacuse like u said - CCP promote the scamming behavior - its like Would court said "well done mr burglar"
You may very well ahve had docking permission when accepting the contract. The reason you can't keep it for 24 hours or something equally silly is things can change at the drop of a hat with standings and what not and the last thing you want is an enemy docking in your structure and using it as a base for 24 hours
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5950
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Posted - 2017.02.27 09:52:57 -
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Not sure if OP was taught a cheap lesson, or OP is begging.
Falsely claiming to be a scam or gank victim is actually quite lucrative in mission hubs. Lots of suckers will give you 100-200 million.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3831
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Posted - 2017.02.27 09:59:33 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Not sure if OP was taught a cheap lesson, or OP is begging.
Falsely claiming to be a scam or gank victim is actually quite lucrative in mission hubs. Lots of suckers will give you 100-200 million.
You know what does pay well though. Killing off the suspect baiters in blingy ships. Not only do you get the loot but the locals open their wallets quite often too. some for as much as the killmails are worth. Mission runners are much more generous than freighter pilots in my experience
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Tsutomi Sakuma
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.02.27 15:59:42 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished; Before you accept the contract it says you may not be able to dock in this station
End of argument. |
Areen Sassel
173
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Posted - 2017.02.27 17:35:25 -
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That said, some way packages can be dropped off at a citadel without docking would be very welcome. I'm sure many of us use couriers to move our stuff around, given the constant supply of people willing to move small packages for peanuts, and it would be nice to be able to get our stuff moved to citadels. |
MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1234
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Posted - 2017.02.27 20:06:36 -
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The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof.
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Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
871
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Posted - 2017.02.28 07:28:24 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished;
Innocence is cute...sometimes.
Ignorance is not cute at all.
Eve Online is not like all those other MMOs out there. It is as cold as an ex-wife unsatisfied with her alimony check.
And just as harsh...or so I have heard. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
3981
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Posted - 2017.02.28 10:31:11 -
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never trust anyone that has "Wang" in their name 
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
31
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Posted - 2017.02.28 17:49:16 -
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MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof.
This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking?
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3842
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Posted - 2017.02.28 19:24:12 -
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Scialt wrote:MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof. This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking?
Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1250
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Posted - 2017.02.28 20:24:14 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Scialt wrote:MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof. This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking? Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason
I can see it now. Fly in to the ring with your ship. Click on the 'unload cargo in to drop box'.
A circle with a timer starts over your ship, visible to all around you. "Unloading Cargo". No modules can be online while you do it. Maybe make it 1 second of timer for every 1000m3 of cargo you are offloading. That would like 50 seconds to offload a packaged battleship.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
6043
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Posted - 2017.02.28 20:29:52 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Scialt wrote:MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof. This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking? Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason
There is a mechanic that already exists in the game that allows progress/completion of a mission when an item is deposited into a can. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3845
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Posted - 2017.02.28 20:46:53 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Scialt wrote:MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof. This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking? Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason There is a mechanic that already exists in the game that allows progress/completion of a mission when an item is deposited into a can. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
I mean it seems reasonable to me. not the usual make it safer
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
3983
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Posted - 2017.03.01 09:20:33 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Scialt wrote:MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof. This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking? Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason
i think this is actually going to be added into citadels
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Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2017.03.01 15:56:03 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Scialt wrote:This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking? Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason
I don't think Scialt need bother any more than I did, the reason being, the idea is already well known. I half think I read about it first from a dev. :-) |
Tengu Grib
The Dickwad Squad
Legio De Mortem
1563
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Posted - 2017.03.01 19:44:39 -
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THTILB T wrote:may i have my isk back?
No you may not.
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Tengu Grib
The Dickwad Squad
Legio De Mortem
1563
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Posted - 2017.03.01 19:54:14 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Yeah he learnd a lesson:
The lesson is - CCP did not teach others before they start playing their game that there are SCAMMERS everywhere;
That you CAN'T DOCK in some stations (as they are not stations at all);
And tbh if someones admit "YEAH I SCAMMED YOU" - he should be punished;
Punishment in Eve is left to the players, so if you want to punish him, go ahead and do your best to do so. CCP doesn't care about scamming, in fact they promote it. Also, anyone who doesn't know scamming exists in Eve, really didn't try to learn anything about the game before joining, so no sympathy from me.
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Tengu Grib
The Dickwad Squad
Legio De Mortem
1563
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Posted - 2017.03.01 19:57:04 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Pix Severus wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Scialt wrote:MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof. This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking? Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason There is a mechanic that already exists in the game that allows progress/completion of a mission when an item is deposited into a can. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. I mean it seems reasonable to me. not the usual make it safer
I concur, it would be reasonable. If I were to see a well written well presented post I'd definitely read it.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
34
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Posted - 2017.03.01 20:25:48 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Scialt wrote:MadMuppet wrote:The docking delay thing has war implications that are unpleasant, and therefore instant right now. Could be worse, you could have cynoed a carrier in and been denied docking... gank.. poof. This has always been a good reason... but a poster a few posts up had a good idea. What if citadels had a "delivery box"... essentially a can that was deposit only where deliveries could be dropped off without docking? Don't know tbh. Idea has merit why don't you go think it through a little. Flesh it out a little more and put it in the features and ideas section. Who knows we may even see this come to pass if it's not stupidly hard to code for some reason I can see it now. Fly in to the ring with your ship. Click on the 'unload cargo in to drop box'. A circle with a timer starts over your ship, visible to all around you. "Unloading Cargo". No modules can be online while you do it. Maybe make it 1 second of timer for every 1000m3 of cargo you are offloading. That would like 50 seconds to offload a packaged battleship.
Think you're probably making it too complicated. We already have a mechanic for moving stuff from your cargo to a container in space (be it a secured container or a jetcan). Just use that same process. The hard part code wise is making the stuff go from the can to the station hangar for the delivery. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1643
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Posted - 2017.03.02 01:28:34 -
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You can't get your ISK back, but you can pay some extra and see the scumbags citadel razed. What are you willing to pay, though? That's the question. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2522
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Posted - 2017.03.02 12:57:41 -
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I would be OK with a delivery box IFF (if and only if) they rewired citadels to drop their contents as loot when destroyed by players.
The bigger issue here is asset safety. Until citadels - asset safety meant NPC station. The new trend of space magic now conserves all citadel assets. So, with a risk averse foot in the door, the next step is a drop box to ensure asset safety for courier items. The next step will be what??? ships engaged in courier contracts (have plastic wrapped item in cargo) are immune to destruction?? This creep to make personal assets out of the reach of other players (through guile or honorable combat) is sucking the heart out of the game.
Asking for a drop box is exactly the same as asking CCP to uncode the unique aspect of its game that has kept it up and running for over a decade. The end game for MMOs that have complete asset safety is boredom and moving on to a new game. That's why they die.
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Areen Sassel
174
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Posted - 2017.03.02 15:04:08 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:The bigger issue here is asset safety. Until citadels - asset safety meant NPC station. The new trend of space magic now conserves all citadel assets. So, with a risk averse foot in the door, the next step is a drop box to ensure asset safety for courier items. The next step will be what??? ships engaged in courier contracts (have plastic wrapped item in cargo) are immune to destruction?? This creep to make personal assets out of the reach of other players (through guile or honorable combat) is sucking the heart out of the game.
What creep? Before citadels, those assets were in NPC stations and were safe. Peculiar as the space magic is, they didn't get any safer with citadels (indeed, they got marginally less safe given the delay and potential recovery charge).
Before citadels, if the courier could get to the NPC station and dock (and they could use an instadock BM), they were safe. With this proposed change, if they can get to the citadel and do a little dance outside (less safe than an instadock BM), they are safe.
Nothing here got any safer compared to the pre-citadel situation. Your complaint's a kneejerk without reference to actual gameplay. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Legio De Mortem
3858
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Posted - 2017.03.03 06:23:01 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I would be OK with a delivery box IFF (if and only if) they rewired citadels to drop their contents as loot when destroyed by players.
The bigger issue here is asset safety. Until citadels - asset safety meant NPC station. The new trend of space magic now conserves all citadel assets. So, with a risk averse foot in the door, the next step is a drop box to ensure asset safety for courier items. The next step will be what??? ships engaged in courier contracts (have plastic wrapped item in cargo) are immune to destruction?? This creep to make personal assets out of the reach of other players (through guile or honorable combat) is sucking the heart out of the game.
Asking for a drop box is exactly the same as asking CCP to uncode the unique aspect of its game that has kept it up and running for over a decade. The end game for MMOs that have complete asset safety is boredom and moving on to a new game. That's why they die.
While I agree citadels should drop their contents (and thus make a decision between expensive npc stations and destructable player stations an actual decision) these issues aren't linked. Don't bring salt to an actual solid game change.
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Torin Corax
Game of Roams
248
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Posted - 2017.03.03 08:38:46 -
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Scialt wrote:
Think you're probably making it too complicated. We already have a mechanic for moving stuff from your cargo to a container in space (be it a secured container or a jetcan). Just use that same process. The hard part code wise is making the stuff go from the can to the station hangar for the delivery.
CCP pretty much have that covered already as well...See POCO's. The mechanic would really only need a new target destination .*
* I'm not a programmer so I may be wrong on the complexity, however the base mechanic seems to fit. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2525
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Posted - 2017.03.03 12:35:41 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:I would be OK with a delivery box IFF (if and only if) they rewired citadels to drop their contents as loot when destroyed by players.
The bigger issue here is asset safety. Until citadels - asset safety meant NPC station. The new trend of space magic now conserves all citadel assets. So, with a risk averse foot in the door, the next step is a drop box to ensure asset safety for courier items. The next step will be what??? ships engaged in courier contracts (have plastic wrapped item in cargo) are immune to destruction?? This creep to make personal assets out of the reach of other players (through guile or honorable combat) is sucking the heart out of the game.
Asking for a drop box is exactly the same as asking CCP to uncode the unique aspect of its game that has kept it up and running for over a decade. The end game for MMOs that have complete asset safety is boredom and moving on to a new game. That's why they die.
While I agree citadels should drop their contents (and thus make a decision between expensive npc stations and destructable player stations an actual decision) these issues aren't linked. Don't bring salt to an actual solid game change.
I see your point, but I also see them as a common theme. Both are moves to make the game safe and commerce less risky. There's been an underlying current pushing to have the game protect and safeguard large isk streams for years. If your hauler/freighter gets ganked the answer is 'welcome to the sandbox' but as soon as the isk numbers start to get large - CCP just forgets the initial core values of the game and starts protecting things. I list a few things the game doesn't NEED that got put in to pander to those wanting to protect their large assets - cyno jammers, multiple timers on station (I'll just say that one is plenty as a time zone buffer and the multiple timer thing really pushed a lot of folks to log in only for 'pings of interest'), space pixies teleporting stuff, JF and the list goes on. I just don't want to see drop boxes added.
The bottom line for ALL this stuff is that game mechanics already provided an answer, but the underlying current was 'these things are too valuable and it is too time and effort consuming to protect, so change the game to make it easier and safer, so I can go on to bigger and better things.' I get that - I really do, but it just never ends. The more the game gets automated and the more things are made 'safe' the more the game isn't Eve and the more it's like all the other games (you know those ones that last a few years, folks get bored and move on).
So I'll ask everyone this. Does the game NEED a dropbox mechanic?
OR
Does the game need players to come to terms with 2 things.
1. On the hauler end - Scamming happens. Citadel couriers have a large potential to be scammed. You need to master that most rare and valued commodity in Eve to do citadel couriers - TRUST.
2. On the citadel end (and this one is the one that actually rubs my fir the wrong way) - Consequences. You can either set your market hub up in a safe secure and easy to deliver to NPC station (say Jita 4-4) and deal with NPC taxes OR you can set up your own citadel and try to create a hub where you control and realize profits from your own taxes. If this drop box is being driven by folks who just want to make zillions of iskies because they planted a risk free citadel in HS - GOFOOKYOURSELF - work for it like everyone else. By work for it - establish Chribba like trust in the hauling community - all you have to do is make it clear your citadel isn't a scamming citadel and the drop box is not needed. You want to play the game like a huge market tycoon, then act like one and build the relationships needed to succeed. Don't whine to CCP to water down the game because you're not good at it.
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Benzmann
The Goat Farm
Reverberation Project
39
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Posted - 2017.03.03 14:37:50 -
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Lucian Skord
Aetherium.
17
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Posted - 2017.03.03 14:46:14 -
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Do I have to type a long post just to say lol? |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
38
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Posted - 2017.03.03 15:40:43 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I would be OK with a delivery box IFF (if and only if) they rewired citadels to drop their contents as loot when destroyed by players.
The bigger issue here is asset safety. Until citadels - asset safety meant NPC station. The new trend of space magic now conserves all citadel assets. So, with a risk averse foot in the door, the next step is a drop box to ensure asset safety for courier items. The next step will be what??? ships engaged in courier contracts (have plastic wrapped item in cargo) are immune to destruction?? This creep to make personal assets out of the reach of other players (through guile or honorable combat) is sucking the heart out of the game.
Asking for a drop box is exactly the same as asking CCP to uncode the unique aspect of its game that has kept it up and running for over a decade. The end game for MMOs that have complete asset safety is boredom and moving on to a new game. That's why they die.
I don't really see the relationship.
The point of a drop box is to let people deliver to a citadel without docking rights.
The point of asset safety is to keep people from losing items left at a citadel belonging to someone else that is destroyed or closed down by owner.
While I can see why you're against asset safety, I fail to see the connection with a delivery box. |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
38
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Posted - 2017.03.03 15:50:31 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:I would be OK with a delivery box IFF (if and only if) they rewired citadels to drop their contents as loot when destroyed by players.
The bigger issue here is asset safety. Until citadels - asset safety meant NPC station. The new trend of space magic now conserves all citadel assets. So, with a risk averse foot in the door, the next step is a drop box to ensure asset safety for courier items. The next step will be what??? ships engaged in courier contracts (have plastic wrapped item in cargo) are immune to destruction?? This creep to make personal assets out of the reach of other players (through guile or honorable combat) is sucking the heart out of the game.
Asking for a drop box is exactly the same as asking CCP to uncode the unique aspect of its game that has kept it up and running for over a decade. The end game for MMOs that have complete asset safety is boredom and moving on to a new game. That's why they die.
While I agree citadels should drop their contents (and thus make a decision between expensive npc stations and destructable player stations an actual decision) these issues aren't linked. Don't bring salt to an actual solid game change. I see your point, but I also see them as a common theme. Both are moves to make the game safe and commerce less risky. There's been an underlying current pushing to have the game protect and safeguard large isk streams for years. If your hauler/freighter gets ganked the answer is 'welcome to the sandbox' but as soon as the isk numbers start to get large - CCP just forgets the initial core values of the game and starts protecting things. I list a few things the game doesn't NEED that got put in to pander to those wanting to protect their large assets - cyno jammers, multiple timers on station (I'll just say that one is plenty as a time zone buffer and the multiple timer thing really pushed a lot of folks to log in only for 'pings of interest'), space pixies teleporting stuff, JF and the list goes on. I just don't want to see drop boxes added. The bottom line for ALL this stuff is that game mechanics already provided an answer, but the underlying current was 'these things are too valuable and it is too time and effort consuming to protect, so change the game to make it easier and safer, so I can go on to bigger and better things.' I get that - I really do, but it just never ends. The more the game gets automated and the more things are made 'safe' the more the game isn't Eve and the more it's like all the other games (you know those ones that last a few years, folks get bored and move on). So I'll ask everyone this. Does the game NEED a dropbox mechanic? OR Does the game need players to come to terms with 2 things. 1. On the hauler end - Scamming happens. Citadel couriers have a large potential to be scammed. You need to master that most rare and valued commodity in Eve to do citadel couriers - TRUST. 2. On the citadel end (and this one is the one that actually rubs my fir the wrong way) - Consequences. You can either set your market hub up in a safe secure and easy to deliver to NPC station (say Jita 4-4) and deal with NPC taxes OR you can set up your own citadel and try to create a hub where you control and realize profits from your own taxes. If this drop box is being driven by folks who just want to make zillions of iskies because they planted a risk free citadel in HS - GOFOOKYOURSELF - work for it like everyone else. By work for it - establish Chribba like trust in the hauling community - all you have to do is make it clear your citadel isn't a scamming citadel and the drop box is not needed. You want to play the game like a huge market tycoon, then act like one and build the relationships needed to succeed. Don't whine to CCP to water down the game because you're not good at it.
It doesn't need it... but it wouldn't hurt anything to add it and would also be a reasonable change.
If I'm trucking cargo from A to B... I really don't need access to put up a house at B and keep my personal stuff there. I just need to be able to drop the crap off you are paying me to deliver.
You can still shoot down the trucker. You can try to lure them to low-sec destinations. But you at least turn it into a contest where both sides have a chance to win... him trying to deliver and you trying to keep him from delivering. Right now the only way for the hauler to "win" is to not take the contract. I don't see that going away as watering anything down about the game.
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Kaely Tanniss
OMGWTFBBQTIME
I Know Right
734
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Posted - 2017.03.23 08:02:44 -
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This is either a troll or a complete lack of judgement on the op's part. Either way, I find it rather entertaining. This blocking docking rights scam is not a new thing.. it would do you good to look into things before you decide to do them. 
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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