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Naye Nathaniel
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Posted - 2017.02.26 07:03:24 -
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Massive +1 for the Thread Owner! Finally some people starts to speak it laud; Todays mechanic is too old for todays players who abuse the rules;
Creating a **** toons of alphas HAVE impact at servers quality - logging off, and on tousands of time per day just to avoide consequances is breaking the rules as there are NO punishment for this kind of actions;
So double +1 |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:00:03 -
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Van Doe wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.
But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think. You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb... Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/ So you want concord to be buffed so they can police in null? Btw that's a total legit loss. Nothing to do with the stupidly getting ganked in highsec
What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"? And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game? |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:06:14 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote: logging off, and on tousands of times a day
you wut m8
https://gyazo.com/1dd70fdc995710edc2b684f7287b1185 |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:07:52 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote: What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"? And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game?
well if you want to do it safely then yes. at least they are messing with your game within the confines of the game you want to change the game to turn their game to ****
Im in HIGH SEC - that means i should be SAFE to do it- If i want to put so much effort for being safe - i would move my ass and go by low sec;
Being safe means I already PUT MUCH EFFORT as i changed my route from 10j to 20j; And U decide to screw MY game - and of course there is no consq for you doing that; |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:10:22 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Erich Einstein wrote: To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.
except ganking is one of the most enjoyable and accessible parts of the game for a new player. it probably generates more subs than it costs.
If you think so then u have to be a short brained... |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:49:34 -
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It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :) |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 12:21:24 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :) Got any proof that everyone who disagrees with you is a ganker, or are you just making the accusation because you have no actual answer to them?
Killboard is "my proof" |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 12:48:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too!
Nerfed? WTF Oo we play diff. games then;
And as you wish but u have to be trolling:
He is not a ganger |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:02:40 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too! Nerfed? WTF Oo we play diff. games then; And as you wish but u have to be trolling: He is not a gangerEven more no ganger here You're not too bright are you? They are not their corp, their corp is not them I disagree with you too, have fun trying to paint me as a ganker.
I give no **** - if you "live" in corp which is known from ganking others - for me you are ganger. thats all; |
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:56:29 -
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Danika Princip wrote:
Why should the SOLO freighter pilot be safe from the actions of your ONE HUNDRED PLUS gank pilots? An unsupported titan will die if you throw a hundred subcaps at it, why not a freighter?
Cz u cant drop a hundred subcaps on a titan in high sec?
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Posted - 2017.02.27 11:01:08 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:NightmareX wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:No need to answer because it's a hypothetical that will never happen, greed and laziness being an all to common trait amongst people who do stupid stuff with freighters.
You don't want to answer it because it makes your gameplay of ganking others a bit harder the more you do it. OMG changes are bad, right? And the fact that you use the lame excuse of 'dumb freighter pilots' all the times says me that you are using that argument to make it looks like you all are doing the right things, just because of dumb freighter pilots. You don't even have evidences to show that they infact are dumb to begin with. You just use it because you can. any JF fitted with istab, sheild power relay, CPU upgrades, power diagnostics, reactor control and of course exp cargohold and carries more than 6B isks are s2pid people therefore needed to be taught a lesson and die, period.
Because any freighter and jf are made to move yours 1000 destroyers only.. What kind of stupid ppl posting here?
That frieghter have to travel 2hours just to get to his destination, if there would be a reborn option he would be ganged 8times in that time, that means few things:
If u killed a 1b ship u shouldnt be able to access high sec for a few days and have to work out your standings or ull be insta poped by police (concord), And if you as a player would make another account just to gank another ship - u should be banned because u are abusing game mechanics. |
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:01:17 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:NightmareX wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:No need to answer because it's a hypothetical that will never happen, greed and laziness being an all to common trait amongst people who do stupid stuff with freighters.
You don't want to answer it because it makes your gameplay of ganking others a bit harder the more you do it. OMG changes are bad, right? And the fact that you use the lame excuse of 'dumb freighter pilots' all the times says me that you are using that argument to make it looks like you all are doing the right things, just because of dumb freighter pilots. You don't even have evidences to show that they infact are dumb to begin with. You just use it because you can. any JF fitted with istab, sheild power relay, CPU upgrades, power diagnostics, reactor control and of course exp cargohold and carries more than 6B isks are s2pid people therefore needed to be taught a lesson and die, period. Because any freighter and jf are made to move yours 1000 destroyers only.. What kind of stupid ppl posting here? That frieghter have to travel 2hours just to get to his destination, if there would be a reborn option he would be ganged 8times in that time, that means few things: If u killed a 1b ship u shouldnt be able to access high sec for a few days and have to work out your standings or ull be insta poped by police (concord), And if you as a player would make another account just to gank another ship - u should be banned because u are abusing game mechanics. hey mofo, what are you on about? can you speak properly, nobody can understand what the fck you are talking about.
Hey mofo - stop speaking for others;
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:07:34 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Hey mofo - stop speaking for others;
hey s2pid, anybody replied to your post yet? yeah, ..|.. I don't give a **** when the garbage like u replay's in such a way :)
Back to topic @ Try to Compare a PK system (aka ganking in EVE) in Lineage and in EVE;
IN Lineage if you PK (not marked player) you get a Wanted status - and u would gonna lose your gear if you be hunted down - EVERYONE want to kill you, you are not safe in town; You have to put much effort to lose this status;
In Eve - u just gank, die cause of concord, wait 15 minutes - u just lost nothing at all, maybe 15 minutes for a coffee break; as u earn much more from this gank than your ship was worth.
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Posted - 2017.02.27 14:44:21 -
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Wander Prian wrote:NightmareX wrote:Wander Prian wrote:The only one that thinks there is an issue with this, is you. Everyone else seems to think that there is no need for that as you cannot and shouldn't stop people from doing dumb things by changing the game mechanics. The devs have already made the tools for you to take on the criminals (you CAN shoot at them in space), it's not their fault that you don't use those tools. You also give the impression that every hauler is scared to undock because they will 99% sure be killed, which is actually not true and you have provided ZERO evidence to prove any of the claims you post. They are nothing more than your opinions.
First i will say that i kinda messed up the last post from me there as i seems to have posted the same quote 2 times. But anyways. Yeah i see this as an issue, because i'm not a ganker who have a free ride of ganking others with high rewards for having no risks over and aover again in the infinite loop, which by the way goes completely against the risk vs reward concept / balance of EVE. If you have no risks, then you shouldn't get any big rewards either. However, if you risks alot, then you can expect to gain alot of rewards. As how the current ganking mechanic works, this is not how things works with that. So it should be changed to reflect the risk vs reward balance. And also, this has nothing to do with preventing dumb peoples from doing dumb things. It has to do with having a system that punishes criminals harder the more crimes they do. How many ******* times do i have to say this? Again, there are tools that you can use currently, but instead of using them, you are asking CCP change game-mechanics to "fix" an issue that you have no proof of, except you "feel" it's not right. Secondly, this is a GAME. Not real life. You do things in here that you wouldn't do in real life. You cannot copy mechanics from real life into the game just because "we are all human playing this". You have to prove that something is not working correctly ( which again, requires EVIDENCE, not just that you feel something isn't right) Thirdly, just because someone doesn't agree with you, it does not mean they are a ganker. They just can think beyond their own type of play.
Would you be so kind and explain what kind of "Tools" a Freighter Pilot can use to avoid being gankged?
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Posted - 2017.02.27 14:52:51 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Wander Prian wrote:If all you do as a freighter-pilot is fit max cargo and undock, it's their own damn fault fot taking a too big risk. They should know better and be prepaired for PVP that MIGHT happen. How I love it when noobs run their mouths about things they have no clue about. It does absolutely not matter if a freighter fits tank or cargo expanders. Not. In. Any. Way. Every freighter will die if the cargo is just juicy enough. And having to go 3x through Niarja or Uedama instead of 1x is not going to make you safer either. It in fact increasing your risk considerably because you give bumpers and scanners more opportunities to catch you. You cannot prepare a freighter against or for PVP. As soon as it got engaged in a serious way (ie. not just a wannabee-ransomer-Machariel) by a Blackbird (if webber was used) or just a Machariel, it is dead. Even the highest tank and logi reps from AG or whatever cannot change that. Please don't make yourself look more a fool than you already are and refrain from telling me "Escorts work". They do not, have never and will never work. This |
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Posted - 2017.02.27 14:53:50 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Wander Prian wrote:NightmareX wrote:Wander Prian wrote:The only one that thinks there is an issue with this, is you. Everyone else seems to think that there is no need for that as you cannot and shouldn't stop people from doing dumb things by changing the game mechanics. The devs have already made the tools for you to take on the criminals (you CAN shoot at them in space), it's not their fault that you don't use those tools. You also give the impression that every hauler is scared to undock because they will 99% sure be killed, which is actually not true and you have provided ZERO evidence to prove any of the claims you post. They are nothing more than your opinions.
First i will say that i kinda messed up the last post from me there as i seems to have posted the same quote 2 times. But anyways. Yeah i see this as an issue, because i'm not a ganker who have a free ride of ganking others with high rewards for having no risks over and aover again in the infinite loop, which by the way goes completely against the risk vs reward concept / balance of EVE. If you have no risks, then you shouldn't get any big rewards either. However, if you risks alot, then you can expect to gain alot of rewards. As how the current ganking mechanic works, this is not how things works with that. So it should be changed to reflect the risk vs reward balance. And also, this has nothing to do with preventing dumb peoples from doing dumb things. It has to do with having a system that punishes criminals harder the more crimes they do. How many ******* times do i have to say this? Again, there are tools that you can use currently, but instead of using them, you are asking CCP change game-mechanics to "fix" an issue that you have no proof of, except you "feel" it's not right. Secondly, this is a GAME. Not real life. You do things in here that you wouldn't do in real life. You cannot copy mechanics from real life into the game just because "we are all human playing this". You have to prove that something is not working correctly ( which again, requires EVIDENCE, not just that you feel something isn't right) Thirdly, just because someone doesn't agree with you, it does not mean they are a ganker. They just can think beyond their own type of play. Would you be so kind and explain what kind of "Tools" a Freighter Pilot can use to avoid being gankged? -webs -a scout -bulkheads -friends to bring ECM or remote reps -not carrying 90 bazillion ISK in cargo
Still don't know if you are serious or just trolling...
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Posted - 2017.02.28 10:00:42 -
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@Erich Einstein You are trying to "hit" guys with a good arguments, but they are made from empty brick... I feel sorry for your tryings as I take your ideas as mine own;
Actual ganking system is outdated and with changes what CCP did already it's broken...
So far all known updates are to make ganking easier: - Security status can be fixed with tags; - U can make Alpha account; - U just need to wait 15 minutes for another Gankl - Concord respond even in 0.9 system is SLOW as ****...
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Posted - 2017.02.28 13:23:50 -
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Nisanthro wrote:TL;DR: Erich Einstein: Outlaws should be benned from high sec! NightmareX: Yes! Because real life! everyone else: When do the two realize they are probably wrong, now matter how much they want to be right? I mean, there are two of them (and one random puppet with poor spelling skills) against EVERYONE ELSE. Is their ego so big they must be right even though proven otherwise over and over? Everyone else are the idiots?
Here it comes! Another guy who speaks for others; Btw there is a typo in your replay; np. cheers |
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Posted - 2017.02.28 14:20:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:NightmareX wrote: It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?
NightmareX wrote: instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.
Thats how.
There is "while" |
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Posted - 2017.02.28 14:37:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:NightmareX wrote: It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?
NightmareX wrote: instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.
Thats how. There is "while" still webbed and scramed. Instant web and scram is not something you can avoid because its, you know, instant. Plus gate guns do not need to warp in, they are already there and blapping.
Just go back burn to gate ;) as you always says to your preys =) |
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Posted - 2017.02.28 14:58:40 -
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NightmareX wrote:baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Just go back burn to gate ;) as you always says to your preys =)
Webbed. Scammed. Locking people out of highsec is not good for the game. Again, it all depends on your earlier crimes that day and it depends on your sec status. Again, work for your crimes. If you works for your crimes, you can always come back to high sec again way easier and do more crimes. But don't expect easy life in high sec if you do keep doing crimes and breaking the law there over and over.
You wont convince them - Gangers like the easy life they get in Eve; |
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Posted - 2017.03.01 09:10:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:NightmareX wrote: Then work to fix the sec status then so you don't lose that ability. It's not rocket scientist stuffs we are talking about here.
You have yet to tell us why this nerf is needed.
WTF really? and where have you been from the last xxx of pages? |
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Posted - 2017.03.01 09:15:53 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Danika Princip wrote:It isn't just podding though. you take a sec status hit just for shooting a guy in lowsec.
Go fight over a lowsec moon and you could very easily find yourself unable to enter highsec, possibly even trapped in one of those silly little lowsec pockets (Kubinen in The Citadel, or Sarline in solitude, for example. Both in three system lowsec pockets only accessible through highsec)
And nowhere have you said WHY this is good. Nor have you explained why there should be a pve requirement to get your sec status up high enough to actually be able to move around after you go pvp in a manner that you, personally, disapprove of. Like I said... I sure CCP would address these issues and the hits lowsec pilots take to their security status if implementing a version of this OP. The issue is not with lowsec pirates, but out of control ganking teams in Jita who get to avoid any effort in repairing their criminal actions. Given that, lowsec pirates are still criminal so Im sure that something like this would still affect you to a certain extent. If you want to be a criminal... you just need to own it and be a badass. Hard to be a "badass" when your idea causes me to die like a (female dog) the moment I jump into highsec.
If you sec status is "bad" then yeah. you should die when trying (getting to high sec) - and don't mess with dogs u piece of crap! |
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Posted - 2017.03.01 09:20:21 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:NightmareX wrote:Dark Lord Trump wrote:So if you make it harder, I can do less ganks, and since apparently ganking is an infinite faucet of ISK for gankers, I make less money. If CCP halved the amount of minerals in highsec ore, that would mean miners make less. That's a nerf. If freighters suddenly had their cargoholds halved, they'd make less money moving things since they can't fit as much. That's also a nerf. So why, pray tell, is allowing me less ganks not a nerf but a "balance?" Making things harder isn't forcing you to do any less ganking. It just make you work a little harder for each crime you do. And do work for your action is something that everyone has to face. Yeah, the gankers can just fit up a ship, undock and do the gank, and rince and repeat forever without any work at all as all of his gank ships are already fitted in the station. So balancing this out is a good idea. Remember, no risk = no reward. Alot of risk = slot of reward. That's EVE. If I have to repair my sec status after every gank/every X ganks, that takes time away from ganking, and I only have so much time to play. Ergo, I am forced to gank less. It's also balanced. The gankers ARE the risk, and they wouldn't get nearly as much reward if people didn't autopilot 10bil freighters through known gank systems.
Really? So you just admited that you are fine that you can do a lot of ganks "because you are short for a gameplay time" and don't give a **** about players which u ganged and have to work out their 10 b cargo and ship by itself ? BECAUSE if the thing would be ballanced then you will loose your fun?
WTF is wrong with you people?! |
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Posted - 2017.03.01 09:27:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Really? So you just admited that you are fine that you can do a lot of ganks "because you are short for a gameplay time" and don't give a **** about players which u ganged and have to work out their 10 b cargo and ship by itself ? BECAUSE if the thing would be ballanced then you will loose your fun?
WTF is wrong with you people?! You know people can already nearly eliminate their gameplay by not carrying 10B in cargo and simply using a Webber. No changes are needed except the behaviour of people.
And why you force them to change their behaviour? Because you wan't? You can? or what?
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Naye Nathaniel
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Posted - 2017.03.01 09:47:24 -
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OK we already know that yours (as ganger) only argument against ideas in this thread are:
"Cause we like it like it is"
and
"Pilots (which can't run away from a gang) are just an idiots if they fly with 10b of cargo" Well even a webber won' safe them but fck it! who cares about them? We still want to have a fun;
Fck that "risk vs rewards" system; We still want a REWARD with no risk! (i still blame that freighter pilots as it theirs fualt.
(ironic off); Damn... wood....wood is everywhere..
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Posted - 2017.03.01 12:32:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:OK we already know that yours (as ganger) only argument against ideas in this thread are:
"Cause we like it like it is"
and
"Pilots (which can't run away from a gang) are just an idiots if they fly with 10b of cargo" Well even a webber won' safe them but fck it! who cares about them? We still want to have a fun;
Fck that "risk vs rewards" system; We still want a REWARD with no risk! (i still blame that freighter pilots as it theirs fualt.
(ironic off); Damn... wood....wood is everywhere..
More a case of not wanting yet more content removed from the game for no reason.
No reason? We gave u already a LOT of reasons;
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Posted - 2017.03.01 12:33:49 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:OK we already know that yours (as ganger) only argument against ideas in this thread are:
"Cause we like it like it is"
and
"Pilots (which can't run away from a gang) are just an idiots if they fly with 10b of cargo" Well even a webber won' safe them but fck it! who cares about them? We still want to have a fun;
Fck that "risk vs rewards" system; We still want a REWARD with no risk! (i still blame that freighter pilots as it theirs fualt.
(ironic off); Damn... wood....wood is everywhere..
Mate, you're the ganker here, not me. I've never ganked anyone in the game, ever. I play in null and low for my pvp, but that's just my preference, not any better than anyone else's choice of where and how they want to pvp. They are all totally fine choices. I do however web my own industry/freighter alt through highsec and it provides near perfect safety. The mechanics are fine. It just takes a bit of personal responsibility.
Hell no - I'm not a ganger; And im glad you are fine with your freighter - im too lazy to check if you have any connections with gang teams or not flying the gang pipe systems ;)
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Posted - 2017.03.01 13:44:51 -
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baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:
No reason? We gave u already a LOT of reasons;
Which are?
It won't be easy for you so go figure it out by yourself - page by page :) |
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Posted - 2017.03.01 14:53:15 -
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baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:
No reason? We gave u already a LOT of reasons;
Which are? It won't be easy for you so go figure it out by yourself - page by page :) So you don't have one.
You should get it more like "there is many and you are too lazy to check it out by yourself" So im not gonna make it a sweat for you; |
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Posted - 2017.03.02 08:16:30 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Security standing hit for every target they kill No insurance payout for their ship loss 15 minute timer where if they undock or enter a new ship in space CONCORD will attack and destroy their ship Cost to improve your security status from -10 using tags currently stands at 308,373,365.59 isk
U made my day - especially the last what i bolded; So much "punishment" for ganking few freighters per day in 1-2 system (of milions gates hahaha) over and over - and u have to pay what... a penny?...
How much u got ISK from ganking a freighters befor you hit a standing which doesn't let u park in a safespot with your ganking fleet? 10 Bilions?
What is 300 mil in compare of your 10B;
I can't get of feeling that Baltec1 is a massive troll out here; |
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Posted - 2017.03.02 08:18:13 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:NightmareX wrote:And just because it's a low chance of it happening (with the Phoenix example over), shouldn't prevent the game from working better for everyone when it actually happens. Just because there might be a low chance of something happening, shouldn't prevent CCP from improving small bits of EVE here and there. Serious question here because trolling BS is a waste of time. If it "shouldn't prevent the game from working better for everyone", surely everyone also includes gankers? If the risk is already small (which it is), then why should it be made even smaller and therefore harder for gankers? That doesn't seem like improving things for everyone. It seems more like improving things for only 1 group, which isn't a balanced change.
Simple - if one part of game is broken, then it should be ballanced; As other parts working fine or need their own threads (which there are many) for ballancing ideas;
And btw u really think that ganking a freighters etc doesn't hit your gameplay?
I do advice u to watch a butterly effect - there u can find an answer; |
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Posted - 2017.03.02 09:01:30 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
If the risk is already small (which it is), then why should it be made even smaller and therefore harder for gankers? That doesn't seem like improving things for everyone. It seems more like improving things for only 1 group, which isn't a balanced change.
Risk is small? Ask my pants how much **** they got every time when I jump even in orca/dst in uedama gates see that flashing reds all around and blue snowflakes just finishing to kill criminals; ... and another jf/f just died; |
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Posted - 2017.03.02 09:44:36 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:
If the risk is already small (which it is), then why should it be made even smaller and therefore harder for gankers? That doesn't seem like improving things for everyone. It seems more like improving things for only 1 group, which isn't a balanced change.
Please explain to me how you are claiming the risk is small. (Which it is) is not valid at all. I highly doubt you are going to convince anyone of this. He doesn't need to convince me. I know risk is objectively small. 1. CCP Quant's January numbers show 3.1T ISK in total destruction (not just ganked freighters; all destruction) in The Forge, while ~1970T ISK was transported in or out. That's means there is a maximum loss of 0.16% to gankers there and it must, in fact just be a fraction of that due to gankers only making up a portion of that destruction. 2. Red Frog Freight failed 0.11% of their contracts last year. That was for all reasons, not just ganking. I think flying a freighter with greater than 99.9% safety means the risk of losing one is small. In fact, I am surprised you don't agree. How safe do you think flying a freighter should be? 99.99%? 99.999%? At what point would you call the risk "small"?
Oh yeah it's safe right..
BTW ganking is so much efficient that ppl even work at 11 accounts to gank ships: Bowhead down Obelisk down Charon down
All of that in one single day;
3.2B items dropped;
15 ships destroyed in uedama from a single "player"
If you think it's normal ... go for a treatment.
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Simple - if one part of game is broken, then it should be ballanced; As other parts working fine or need their own threads (which there are many) for ballancing ideas;
And btw u really think that ganking a freighters etc doesn't hit your gameplay?
I do advice u to watch a butterly effect - there u can find an answer; I hope it does affect my gameplay. Where did I ever say it doesn't? That's what I enjoy about EVE. The challenge of everyone v everyone. But you didn't answer the question. That reply was just a typical whine about only one side needing change, which wasn't what was asked.
If you don't find the answer u like - I dont care about it; You got your answer it just doesn't suit you well.
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Posted - 2017.03.02 10:03:19 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:BTW ganking is so much efficient that ppl even work at 11 accounts to gank ships: Bowhead downObelisk downCharon downAll of that in one single day; 3.2B items dropped; 15 ships destroyed in uedama from a single "player"If you think it's normal ... go for a treatment. AND btw - how do you think, how much that freigher pilot earn by a single trip - 100 mil? That means how many trips he have to do to repay for his ship, 10-20? How long it'll take - month?
@Scipio Artelius
Especially reposting this for you;
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Posted - 2017.03.02 10:57:20 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:If you don't find the answer u like - I dont care about it; You got your answer it just doesn't suit you well.
Not at all. I assume English is not your first language, so I'm sure you think you answered the question asked, but it wasn't what was asked. Just to repeat it (from a quote of NightmareX): If it " shouldn't prevent the game from working better for everyone", surely everyone also includes gankers? Your answer didn't address that at all. It's pretty simple and straight forward, but a reply of: Simple - if one part of game is broken, then it should be ballanced;Has nothing to do with whether gankers are part of the 'everyone' that the game should work for.
Thank you for being kind about language; About your question (where I already gave u an answer) - let me point something;
There are barelly non fixes which touch EVERYONE; In example I advice you to check the March incoming changes; Do they ballance everyone or only some group?
Of course they will have an impact for EVERYONE same as proposed changes in this thread.
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
If I put 30 PLEX in a shuttle and then get ganked on the Jita undock by a Tornado, the ganker loses 100 million ISK ship, but my killmail would still be 30 Billion.
That would only mean you are a RTM trader ;) as no one is stupid enough to do it "as normal gameplaying" |
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baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit)
Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes;
And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] |
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Hey Erich Do you still think people agree with you? Because all I see is people wrecking you hahahaha And like Ima said, all these pages for a lack of a permit Gotta love carebears P.s. no one in Black Rise cares who you are, and no one cares about your twitch either
I love when a butthead trying to speach for "others";
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:12:59 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] Since when is webbing an exploit?! Hahahahah Does that mean every pvp'er ever is exploiting the game? And definitely a miner if you say you aren't.... So miner, calm down
I see another piece of Wood came here so his "friend" can feel an e-peen growing; blocked :) |
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] You have no idea what an exploit is do you?
Show me a statment of CCP that say "We designed a WEB so you can WEB a freighter with your ALT so it can get in WARP faster" - if not then it's an exploit of the game mechanic;
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) here are two different types of behaviour in this game: 1) Clever use of existing game mechanics in a new and unintended way which makes you perform better in certain situations 2) Crying on the forums for CCPs help, because you fail even with the obvious game mechanics which one makes you a "pussy"? Let's vote
"Clever" use a game mechanic which is not designed to be used in such a way is not "clever" move but it's not allowed move ingame as far as owner of the game didnt say it is;
And btw - go back to topic which is;
"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings... |
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:OP, if you wish to discuss something, it is wise to not call everyone who disagrees with you trolls. Criticism is what improves and refines an idea. Furthermore, if you want people to have any hope of agreeing with your idea, you need to show a clear and present need for it, instead of just an opinion. Believing that criminals need to be punished more harshly is fine, but unless you can show why that would be better for the game, people aren't likely to agree with you.
Criticism is then when you have and share with others your arguments; Most of the people who disagrees with "us" are just "NOOOOOO" ppl;
Without a single argument which they got from us many;
Their point of view is:
"I don't want to work harder cause of my crimes because.... NO!" and that's all;
So it's not Criticism - it's just pure trolling; |
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Dark Lord Trump wrote:OP, if you wish to discuss something, it is wise to not call everyone who disagrees with you trolls. Criticism is what improves and refines an idea. Furthermore, if you want people to have any hope of agreeing with your idea, you need to show a clear and present need for it, instead of just an opinion. Believing that criminals need to be punished more harshly is fine, but unless you can show why that would be better for the game, people aren't likely to agree with you. Criticism is then when you have and share with others your arguments; Most of the people who disagrees with "us" are just "NOOOOOO" ppl; Without a single argument which they got from us many; Their point of view is: "I don't want to work harder cause of my crimes because.... NO!" and that's all; So it's not Criticism - it's just pure trolling; So far the only argument you and your friends have put forward is "I think that criminals need to be punished more," which is an OPINION and is worth nothing unless you can show WHY criminals need tombd treated more harshly.
Yes - that is Opinion; Argument were already told - look for it and you will find it; I see no point of rewriting arguments over and over again when we already gave them; |
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Criticism is then when you have and share with others your arguments; Most of the people who disagrees with "us" are just "NOOOOOO" ppl;
Without a single argument which they got from us many Irony in action. Most of the people that disagree are asking why. Every single argument your friends have made has been circular, based on opinion and unsubstantiated in any way. When we ask for substantiation we get fobbed off and the question is evaded. Quote:Their point of view is:
"I don't want to work harder cause of my crimes because.... NO!" and that's all Wrong. We're asking why gankers should have to work harder than they already do in order to operate, whereas the people that the changes in this thread would benefit currently make terrible choices and put in very little effort, and the changes would mean that they'd be rewarded for their terrible choices, and put even less effort in than they currently do. Examples of what work goes into a gank have been given already been given, yet they were poo-pooed as irrelevant because they didn't fit into the agenda of the OP and friends. Quote:So it's not Criticism - it's just pure trolling; Pointing out that people are failing to produce any supporting material for their claim is criticism Claiming that your opinion is fact, evading questions, circular reasoning, not producing supporting evidence, dismissing the opinions and supporting evidence of others etc are all trolling. Stop trolling, get discussing.
Short story short - Cause of Ballance;
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DrysonBennington wrote:
The goal is to get Pilots engaging the gankers and providing escorts from a few systems out to hauler pilots.
And how you would like to do it? Gank the Gankers are they are not even suspects?
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@Jonah Gravenstein @Daichi Yamato
So much trolling; Didn't know that wood have ability to write on a keyboard or they hire someone for them to do it?
This is the last time when i'm answering for a bullshit what it's came out of your "called brain"; |
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:@Jonah Gravenstein @Daichi Yamato
So much trolling; Didn't know that wood have ability to write on a keyboard or they hire someone for them to do it?
This is the last time when i'm answering for a bullshit what it's came out of your "called brain"; Naye's definition of trolling: Pointing out the flaws in your argument.
Wooot?! hahaha :) yeah so far they didn't point anything, same as you =] that it's called a trolling; |
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:@Jonah Gravenstein @Daichi Yamato
So much trolling; Didn't know that wood have ability to write on a keyboard or they hire someone for them to do it?
This is the last time when i'm answering for a bullshit what it's came out of your "called brain"; Naye's definition of trolling: Pointing out the flaws in your argument. Wooot?! hahaha :) yeah so far they didn't point anything, same as you =] that it's called a trolling; I pointed out that most gankers can be shot at freely due to their security status, even if they don't have a criminal or suspect flag. That is a fact, not an opinion; there's a significant difference between them which you, and your friends, have apparently failed to grasp. Now, please explain how making a statement of fact is trolling.
That's a last answer for you as you liar and trying to mess with others brains (at least they got it);
Here is yours "easy to kill targets cause of security status not effort at all pure ownage"
Killing a suicide gangers
But like I said - as you are just a pure TROLL, lying others and trying to looks as a smart one... I'm not gonna answer for any of your post - so this is the last one.
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Posted - 2017.03.04 18:03:12 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I pointed out that most gankers can be shot at freely due to their security status, even if they don't have a criminal or suspect flag.
That is a fact, not an opinion; there's a significant difference between them which you, and your friends, have apparently failed to grasp. Now, please explain how making a statement of fact is trolling. That's a last answer for you as you liar and trying to mess with others brains (at least they got it); Here is yours "easy to kill targets cause of security status not effort at all pure ownage" Killing a suicide gangersBut like I said - as you are just a pure TROLL, lying others and trying to looks as a smart one... I'm not gonna answer for any of your post - so this is the last one. I never said that they would be easy to kill, that would have been a lie. I said that due to their security status most could be shot at freely, which definitely isn't a lie. That Sir Livingstone purchased the killrights on those players heads in order to kill them suggests that their security status was above -5, which is the threshold for being a free to engage target based on security status; -5 to -10 being the range in which anybody can freely shoot at you in highsec without needing killrights or flags. Now.... where's the lie? Should we add the truth and lies to the ever growing list of things that you and your friends don't understand?
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already; Roger out;
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Posted - 2017.03.04 18:46:18 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already; Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all. Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not. Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling?
Show me a prove that "many do not" - as repairing their status is cheap and ez;
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Posted - 2017.03.04 18:48:43 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already; Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all. Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not. Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling? Not only that but from the video we see he got 2 tornadoes, that alone could be enough for foil a specific gank. Yes, they may very well reship and come back, but the freighter they did have in mind of ganking may very well be in a 0.8 or even a 0.9 system. That is, you don't have to kill them all, just enough so that their DPS drops low enough to prevent the gank. You can also try to scan these guys down too ya know. Scan them down, warp into the middle of them, scram some release drones and start shooting. But nooo. That isn't good enough. Anyone getting the impression these guys are just fecking lazy as Hell?
**** im done with that massive **** of trolls; You just throw at them with evidence and they still trying to prove you that "it's fine like it is" fck u :) no more respond from a twats like u =] |
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