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Zenith Ginnungagap
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:14:00 -
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I think CCP should change tier one and tier two BC's to use large guns and missile launchers. Battlecruisers are large ships, but not large enough to fit BS size tank.
Cruisers are there for medium sized guns, and there are lot's of different cruiser classes to be fitted with medium sized guns.
Actually by changing tier one and tier two BC's to use large weapons, it would balance need for large weapons vs medium weapons. Right now medium weapons are much more needed than large weapons.
Also tier one and tier two BC's have drone bays, so having large weapons would not render them useless for level three missions, where they are widely used.
CCP, throw this in with assault ship changes.
Oh, and of course, command ships should be included in this change. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:15:00 -
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Um no... |
Zenith Ginnungagap
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:15:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Um no... Um..yes. |
Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:31:00 -
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Uhm no.
The 'old' BCs are just fine. compared to cruisers, they offer additional firepower, better defense and room for ewar, while sacrificing some of the cruiser's mobility, but not enough to be a big fat target like a battleship. They are great combat ships, having enough defense to stand up to (fewer number) battleships and enough mobility to get out of the way of somethign that a gang of BCs can't handle. In addition, their training time to start getting into one is relatively short, a lot shorter than learnign how to decently fly a battleship, and they are much cheaper, so for newer people they are a great step up from cruisers.
The new Tier 3 BC has a totally different mindset than the 'old' ones. They're made for dealing punishment, sacrificing the staying power of battleships and some degree also that of the other BCs, though keeping their mobility, and gaining the firepower that makes battleshipe envious. This ship is not designed for flying solo and doing missions, or exploration. This ship is designed for PvP warfare. in gangs, it's the big cannon to pound an unsuspecting foe, in (smallish) fleets, it's the pounding hammer of the fast interception fleet after the battleship fleet has made contact, in large scale battles, they are the hammer to take on carriers and dreads, once the other noncapital ships in your fleet have crippled the capital's support fleet.
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Zeb Riu
Trauma Ward Free Beer.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:35:00 -
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While the new bcs are awesome this idea is not. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:43:00 -
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Being able to actually stay and fight at close range is fun......no more big gun BCs they mins blow against other medium hulls if you cant get range. |
Cormallin
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.28 08:47:00 -
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From what I've seen of the new Teir3 BC they are flying coffins, I meen sure they can snipe and the tornados a good ganking ship but in fleet battles they tend to blow the second the enemy look at them funny, so I vote no. |
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.28 09:11:00 -
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Its a pretty simple question to answer. Because they are cruisers. If they could use battleship guns, with the tanks that tiers 1 and 2 have, they would just be battleships.
Instead they are lighter, and cheaper. But that has to come from somewhere. The tier 1/2 BC's give up the large guns of battleships but keep a strong tank. The tier 3's keep the guns, but are basically a big gun in a cardboard box. |
Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:20:00 -
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You can already get battleship-level dps from some of the "old" battlecruisers using their old and busted medium weapons. |
Miyahon
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:13:00 -
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Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:I think CCP should change tier one and tier two BC's to use large guns and missile launchers. Battlecruisers are large ships, but not large enough to fit BS size tank.
Cruisers are there for medium sized guns, and there are lot's of different cruiser classes to be fitted with medium sized guns.
Actually by changing tier one and tier two BC's to use large weapons, it would balance need for large weapons vs medium weapons. Right now medium weapons are much more needed than large weapons.
Also tier one and tier two BC's have drone bays, so having large weapons would not render them useless for level three missions, where they are widely used.
CCP, throw this in with assault ship changes.
Oh, and of course, command ships should be included in this change.
Tier 3 BC have many specific bonuses for fitting large guns, this would mean a total revamp of the lower tiers. Crazy idea. BCs are an incredibly popular hull with medium weapons, this does not need changing.
What has this got to do with level 3 missions? |
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Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:18:00 -
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"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"
Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:28:00 -
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The Tier 1 and 2 BCs are more properly Heavy Cruisers, where the tier 3 is a Battlecruiser.
Can you imagine a Drake with Torps or Cruises? It can already fit a BS class tank. (100k ehp is not to be sniffed at) Makes the Raven nigh on useless if you did. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.12.28 15:10:00 -
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Battlecruiser is to cruiser as destroyer is to frigate. They can't ALL be large-gun-toting gank platforms. |
Julia Connor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.28 15:19:00 -
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Norris Packard wrote:"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"
Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies. what the fack! How does this relate? |
Elindreal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.28 15:56:00 -
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lol
hello ccp i just hopped into a stealth bomber and i think it's awesome!
why don't all frigs get to fit large weapons?
please fix this, i think tech1 tier4 frigates should have the option since tier4 is > tier3 and tier3 battlecruises have large weapons this makes 100% sense. |
Flakey Foont
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.28 15:59:00 -
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Hi I am new and I want the game to be changed to suit my desires.... |
Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:02:00 -
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Perfect idea, lets give ******* suicide gankers more **** to blow us up with. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Murtific
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:11:00 -
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Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:I think CCP should change tier one and tier two BC's to use large guns and missile launchers. Battlecruisers are large ships, but not large enough to fit BS size tank.
Cruisers are there for medium sized guns, and there are lot's of different cruiser classes to be fitted with medium sized guns.
Actually by changing tier one and tier two BC's to use large weapons, it would balance need for large weapons vs medium weapons. Right now medium weapons are much more needed than large weapons.
Also tier one and tier two BC's have drone bays, so having large weapons would not render them useless for level three missions, where they are widely used.
CCP, throw this in with assault ship changes.
Oh, and of course, command ships should be included in this change.
Do us a favor and dont get a job at CCP. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:14:00 -
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Julia Connor wrote:Norris Packard wrote:"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"
Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies. what the fack! How does this relate?
British Battle cruisers had the alarming tendency to keep exploding. In the words of the Admiral of the fleet during a major battle "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"
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Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:19:00 -
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BattleCRUISERS. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
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ShadowFire15
BOAE INC GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:34:00 -
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Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Um no... Um..yes.
actually no Stan Smith had a snow storm over weekend guy was shoveling snow outside, so i shot him and mined the snow myself. concord never showed up. on an unrelated note, i have a court date next tuesday |
Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:24:00 -
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Julia Connor wrote:Norris Packard wrote:"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"
Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies. what the fack! How does this relate?
Where do you think they drew the inspiration for the naming of the base ship classes? Oh that's right naval history... While history is not a good basis for making balancing judgments it is a great place to look for ideas for classes themselves.
As to why this relates? Well they have finally implemented both historic design philosophies into Eve.
Jhagiti Tyran wrote: British Battle cruisers had the alarming tendency to keep exploding. In the words of the Admiral of the fleet during a major battle "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"
I think they got that side effect of the British design philophy into the game |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.29 02:17:00 -
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And end up in frigates with large weapons fitted?
So no.......
As some1 mentioned Battlecruisers are CRUISERS. |
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.12.29 02:35:00 -
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PPl are dreaming Drakes transformed to CNRs... All attention for this topic was lost when LvL 3 missions were mentioned...plz DIE.
Also, plz do not try to be "wise" and prove your arguements with historical facts and the english vs. german philosophies for BCs in contradiction to EVE...first of all, the two are not related. Second of all, the Graf Spee class says you are wrong when you want to "condense" history and philosophies in a sentence... "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.29 03:27:00 -
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Diomidis wrote:PPl are dreaming Drakes transformed to CNRs... All attention for this topic was lost when LvL 3 missions were mentioned...plz DIE.
Also, plz do not try to be "wise" and prove your arguments with historical facts and the english vs. german philosophies for BCs in contradiction to EVE...first of all, the two are not related. Second of all, the Graf Spee class says you are wrong when you want to "condense" history and philosophies in a sentence...
The Deutschland Class Cruisers were, other than a slight tonnage issue, following the Treaty of Versailles and had to follow the caliber limitations imposed on them making them have much smaller guns than the English Battlecruisers of the time. |
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:57:00 -
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Norris Packard wrote:Diomidis wrote:PPl are dreaming Drakes transformed to CNRs... All attention for this topic was lost when LvL 3 missions were mentioned...plz DIE.
Also, plz do not try to be "wise" and prove your arguments with historical facts and the english vs. german philosophies for BCs in contradiction to EVE...first of all, the two are not related. Second of all, the Graf Spee class says you are wrong when you want to "condense" history and philosophies in a sentence... The Deutschland Class Cruisers were, other than a slight tonnage issue, following the Treaty of Versailles and had to follow the caliber limitations imposed on them making them have much smaller guns than the English Battlecruisers of the time.
BUT, were ships designed to seriously out-maneuver their allied counterparts, or out-gun whatever could catch up. Sounds line Tier 3s, right?
It's only the name "Battlecruisers" that gets to be the same....and it have always been so. Real life examples are not relevant.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Bleach andVomit
Avant-Garde Monastery Cascade Probable
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Posted - 2011.12.29 08:21:00 -
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Cue condescending remark by Liang, detriment to the community. |
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.29 09:09:00 -
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Alll this: they re cruiser...
so what about Tier3? They are more BATTLE and less cruiser?
CCP ****** all up introducing that kind of ship, so it' s reasonably to ask for stupid changes like the OP asked |
Kietay Ayari
Rogue Elements.
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Posted - 2011.12.29 09:42:00 -
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All the old BCs in EVE were of a German design, the new 4 are a British design. Case close! :D Ferox #1 |
Joanna Cauldron
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:37:00 -
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LMFAO at these WW2 references. BC was much larger than DD or CR, BS and BC were pretty close to each other in physical size, and also weaponry wise.
You do remember that this is SCIENCE FICTION game?
And as for topic, hell yeah, big guns! |
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