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BMWM6	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:58:00 - [1] And all I come across is Gate gank gangs, or the one person in the same system as yourself but his 10 buddies are on the other side waiting... What happened to 1 on 1 pvping ... My story goes, fairly younger player of a few months, got tired of doing lvl 4 missions same one's over and over again nerfed loot, decided to give PVP a ago, working on specific skills for the ship of my choice, got it to the point where i knew I had a good ship that could take a beating and still come out on top. ege This morning 3 in local, all way older players then myself, one of them in a sacrilege decides to lands at the same belt locks on to me and we start to go at it, within 20secs of that local goes from 3 to 13, so I knew at that point in time these ppl where not passing through and I was going to have a challenge on my hands...sacrilege was going to be a challenge but very manageable, then of course, flashing reds all around me and been probably damped by most of them was hard to get a lock. 2Mins or so later i'm at 10% damage to shields, one of my friends asked how i was doing, to my surprise I was tanking all of them well but without been able to get a lock I was not going to be able to do much, he warps in so its 2 against 10 he starts to lock on the sacrilege at that point since he's in the bigger ship they all switch target on to him I was able to get a lock and the 2 of us start pounding on it. 2-3 mins later even with armor reps on it, he goes down, but my friend is running out of cap boosters and its not looking good for him. His Ship goes down and they all start targeting me again, now it looked like i was holding well but with ammo getting low I was just going to be sitting there after 12mins and shields holding at 35% taking my last few ammo rounds at a Cyclone, I decided that this was going no where, this gang was not giving up probably going to call in for more ppl to help them since there not doing very well in breaking me, thinking to myself might as well self destruct, and that's what I did. 2min S/D timer is ticking by and just before I blow myself up I look to see I have about 15% cap left and my shields at about 35-40% Damage. Way I look at it, rather blow myself up and take all my fittings with me ( since they where probably wondering what I was using) and no KM for them. Just seems most people take the less challenging way in pvping these days, and really don't learn anything except to sit at or hide behind a gate and when the crap its the fan there the first ones to warp out. Fleet battles don't interest me that much since, the only winner seems to be there is lag. I'd rather go 1 on 1 , but seems like thats too much to ask for these days. I don't mind losing my ship especially after a good fight, I learn from it and adapt, but when you have 10 ships against 1, not much adapting I can do there. I can only assume when lvl 5 missions come out it will be just carriers and gangs just sitting at the gates since there going to know where the higher lvl agents are... All this game is becoming his who got the biggest gang... IMO not much of a challenge... If thats the way this game is becoming, Eve is going to have a very short life span for alot of people, I have my next ship ready to go, but i'm starting to think whats the point since the odds are probably meeting a gang first then someone who wants to go 1 on 1. What you think ?
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:01:00 - [2] Welcome to EVE. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Daniella Althera	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Reiisha Welcome to EVE. EVE Online - where PvP is a term used to describe ganking Unfortunately. That's why I don't enjoy PvP in EVE myself.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:21:00 - [4] Bigger gangs don't always work Tactics & dedicated gang members > Numbers
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:21:00 - [5] It's not really ganking, more like "who can bring the most people into the fight without getting noticed" by means of cynos, noobcorp alts, login traps, etc. All valid tactics, adapt or die. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:35:00 - [6] EVE-Gank best desribes most PVP in EVE. There are the odd few people who are still old school but the majority now play by numbers or the bigger the better. I've had a couple of fun PVP engagements, both of which ended up in a draw when neither of us could defeat the opponent. Everything else I've come across has been Carriers + fleet to camp a gate killing single frigates to battleship opponents.
benzss Circular Destiny Lupus Caerulus	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:39:00 - [7] Eve isn't PvP, it's PPPPPvP.
Desiderious Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:01:00 - [8] BMWM6, CCP has been working to solve the "gank" issue. They have been making numerous changes (like the health increases) to slowly move towards a more tactical sense. Although I am not sure exactly what they are going to do, I heard a good idea that might work. It was where you have stacking penalty based DPS on a ship. While a frig would cut off really fast, a titan will take forever for the penalty to kick in. ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^ Your sig is too large. Please resize it so that it fits within 400x120. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Blue Tsunami	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:06:00 - [9] I really can't disagree with the OP on this one. Understand that IMO EvE is hands down the best mmo that I have ever played, but I honestly expected so much more from EvE's PVP. I've been on both on sides of a gate camp, and I found that being the camper is even worse (as boring as watching paint dry) than being the prey. Fleet battles? what fleet battles? These are a big embarassment to the game. If it looks like a slideshow the game aint ready for it yet. But in reality it's the players that need to change and perhaps fight with a little more honour, not sure how CCP is supposed to do anything about it.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:19:00 - [10] Although I can understand your PoV, there is another side to it as well. For example, when we start a roaming gang, we are like 10 peeps, we roam 0.0 and kill, or if you want, "gank" npcers we find. Now, obviously you could argue "omg EVE pVp is only ganking and it sucks". However, it's not my fault that we have more than 1 person that wants a fight, and its an mmo where we enjoy playing together. So, since npcers usually dont like to fight, we have to bait them, and thats done more or less the same way you experienced. I can assure you, most actual pvpers in 0.0 are not after ganks, but since we are roaming, we of course do not 'not' try to kill anything else but a gang thats in the way. We are looking for even/higher odds fights, because hands down thats just the most fun and the most challenging. Sadly, nowdays you can hardly find even fights in EVE. Anyway, try to not see pvpers always as people who gang up in large numbers just to find solo npcers to kill.
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:19:00 - [11] Unfortunately this sort of behavior just comes along with a stiff death penalty. Theres no incentive to not gank, the spoils are the same but dying burns hard so people try to avoid it. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:22:00 - [12] The only way to encourage players to play with honour is to punish them when they do wrong. Currently almost any griefing is permitted. Not a chance for honour to prevail under those circumstances. It's a spotty geeks e-peen fantasy.
Distrans The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:26:00 - [13] I like the 1v1 too, but hard to get. Solution: They should put Arenas in some pirate (or any regions) stations. 1v1 or any other technically possible combos, well customizable (arena size, shipclass, ew, mod quality, defeat options, implants and so forth) both sides must agree to. And have spectators possible, maybe a nice betting system. Transfer the combattants to another server to reduce lag on tq. No clue why such a feature is not in game yet, should not be that hard to code and will satisfy alot of people. áááááááá
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:31:00 - [14] Just our of curiosity what the hell where you flying ? Free Exotic Dancers & Beer for those who mod my sig too !
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:39:00 - [15] And people wonder why i don't particulary enjoy ship to ship pvp they should change the term to PvB perhaps.
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:46:00 - [16] Originally by: 000Hunter000 And people wonder why i don't particulary enjoy ship to ship pvp they should change the term to PvB perhaps. PvB = Player Versus Beer Free Exotic Dancers & Beer for those who mod my sig to It's the weekend, I need a lot of BREE -Eldo I try to convince him to join ISD alcoholic annonymous - Pirlouit
Pac SubCom A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.28 18:13:00 - [17] In your case it was justified to bring a dozen friends, after all, they still needed 15 minutes to destroy your overpowered (but still fun, don't get me wrong ) passive Drake, or at least I gather that is what you had. They destroyed your battleship (I assume) friend first, what does this tell you. Do you really expect him to go down chivalriously? It's an open playing field, and that is exactly what Eve is about, and why we all like it, the opportunity to be totally unfair in PvP. --------------- ∞ TQFE
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.28 18:38:00 - [18] Eve pvp is what the players make of it... we have total freedom to put together any size forces we want, from one little ship to fleets that are so idioticly huge that no server on earth could hope to cope with it. What do you want CCP to do, take all the dynamic elements out of pvp and make all pvp work like Guild Wars or a shooter? X people on this side, X people on that side, and an instanced battlefield to level things? People choose to gate camp, people choose to gank, people choose to avoid fighting if they dont have 3-1 numerical superiority. It's our own fault if we're not happy with pvp, except for the poor performance in big fleets. And even then, its pretty unreasonable to expect that the hardware would manage 1000 people from multiple alliances all trying to pile into the same system to fight. There are people out there who will go for a good fight. Off the top of my head: There is a contingent of IRON peeps who have always put up good fights, and been willing to accept any reasonably equal numbers. Even if they smack talk a lot. Outbreak will give you a fight. FZN will give you a fight. Back when I was fighting BOB they were always ready and willing to fight at just about any odds. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:01:00 - [19] Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: 000Hunter000 And people wonder why i don't particulary enjoy ship to ship pvp they should change the term to PvB perhaps. PvB = Player Versus Beer Player vs (griefing) Bullies is the saddest part in eVe. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
BMWM6	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Kashre People choose to gate camp, people choose to gank, people choose to avoid fighting if they dont have 3-1 numerical superiority. It's our own fault if we're not happy with pvp, except for the poor performance in big fleets. And even then, its pretty unreasonable to expect that the hardware would manage 1000 people from multiple alliances all trying to pile into the same system to fight. Your missing the point, I never said i was unhappy with pvping, if that was the case I would not pvp in the first place.. you probably know just like everyone here, pvping is not cheap...seems lately ccp have been trying to nudge npc players into lowsec, by making agent missions less profitable. Just saying how does ccp expect me to keep on pvping when the odds are against me the very moment I undock from the station, as i said, all i'm asking is for a fair fight, as I've learned nothing is fair about Eve, but again how are younger players like myself that are willing to give pvp a go when all thats going to ahappen is be ganked on by 10 others, so what they can split the 1mil loot between 10 players lol I don't want to have to become a gate camper, seems if i do that at the way least I can jump out or have the gate guns on my side if they fire first. Kinda not the challenge i was looking for...
Claska Amarr Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:32:00 - [21] I have to say that i'm annoyed with PVP in eve, pretty much every time i've tried to PVP, its gate ganked, Belt ganked or just plain ganked by a small fleet. I like PVP, but i'm starting to get sick of of PVP EVE style, i like an even fight or one where odds arn't that much in my favor, but i can't stand being ganked because its not fun. I don't mind my ship being blown up, i just don't like getting blown up when there was nothing i could do to prevent it. the main problem is that people have no hounor, or very rarely you find people with honor, i think CPP needs to implement some system that Makes people want to PVP with honor but doesn't penalize those that don't. i mean a while i ago i lost a Dommie to a gang, i didn't mind but what got me was that i couldn't do anything to stop it, i got scrambled, jammed and nosed (there were about 7 cruisers and HAC's on me by then) but my tank was holding quite well, then i notice about 3 BS warp in and kill me. It would have been a fun fight if it were me V 3 HACs but it wasn't, it was me Vs a fleet.
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:43:00 - [22] Adapt... Get a fast ship if you want to 1v1. If you see local spike get the hell out of dodge. If you don't want to solo, get in a gang yourself. Go somewhere where you know there will be lots of people and poke the bee's nest. -
Manus Stuprare Slug Storm Squadron	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Phelan Lore Adapt... Get a fast ship if you want to 1v1. If you see local spike get the hell out of dodge. If you don't want to solo, get in a gang yourself. Go somewhere where you know there will be lots of people and poke the bee's nest. Good advice there. To the OP: yeah, everyone loves a good fight with reasonable odds - but plenty of people pvp for isk too, remember. Easy kills drop loot just like the 'fair' fights. Not everybody is out there to 'test themselves' like you seem to be. -------------- Poisoning the Chalice: Smartbombs as a Counter to Nos.
BMWM6	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:20:00 - [24] Well they got nothing from me last night, other then probably 1 ammo around and a SB dropped from a Rat. Everything else blew up with me when I decided to S/D. And as for Testing myself .. not on the Main server... that's what the test server is for :)
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:24:00 - [25] When you log into Eve you agree to PvP.
Zee Zen	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:33:00 - [26] I at least hope you blasted your friend's wreck before anyone could get to it.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:35:00 - [27] It sounds like you had a good fight and got beat. The only thing that seems somewhat dishonorable is self destructing rather then fighting to the end. Roaming gangs are about the most fun and the most pure form of PVP you are going to get in Eve (or just about any other MMORPG for that matter). You may have your gang of vets out thinking you are the bee's knees when you run into a bigger gang and end up trying to get your pod out. Thats exactly how I lost my last pimped out Domi. You just got to learn from your mistakes and get back on the horse that threw ya. The biggest problem is that many people think that wining Eve is making your wallet get fatter. I may be a bit guilty of that myself, but I admit it is a deficiency. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:45:00 - [28] Edited by: Hannobaal on 28/04/2007 20:42:49 If you want even 1 v 1 fights, talk to people and you will find people who will agree to do 1 v 1 fights with you. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
BMWM6	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:52:00 - [29] Originally by: MrTripps It sounds like you had a good fight and got beat. The only thing that seems somewhat dishonorable is self destructing rather then fighting to the end. Roaming gangs are about the most fun and the most pure form of PVP you are going to get in Eve (or just about any other MMORPG for that matter). You may have your gang of vets out thinking you are the bee's knees when you run into a bigger gang and end up trying to get your pod out. Thats exactly how I lost my last pimped out Domi. You just got to learn from your mistakes and get back on the horse that threw ya. The biggest problem is that many people think that wining Eve is making your wallet get fatter. I may be a bit guilty of that myself, but I admit it is a deficiency. How's that dishonorable, when I did fight until i was out of ammo, just did not feel like just sitting there getting fired at, they had 10 ships and 15mins to take 2 ships out, that was more then enough time. I got the impression they wanted to know my setup, which I refuse to give them. After I felt good about it, they got nothing from me and no KM. As for the wrecks I was only able to blow up there's, since my buddy told me all his good fittings got blown up, based on the KM.
Sal Tuskin	Posted - 2007.04.28 20:56:00 - [30] I have to agree with the OP pvp in eve is the most retarded i have ever seen in a game wow is even better. and u know why because it has no death penalty. You have to be out of your mind if u want me to pvp on fair terms in a ship that took me 1 month to get and lose in 30sec. I came to this game after daoc and wow cause i heard of all the great pvpers, well guess what 98% of them suck it is either 10-1 or 1-10 i have played this game since xmas and have been in about 3 fair fights. EVERY game know to man has load kill banning except this game and u wander why u have so many gankers. I blame CCP for that cause there are just so many ways to avoid pvp it isnt funny. The odds of me being snuck up on now is about nill cause i know what to watch for i can avoid every fight except a gate camp and i can do those too if i am not lazy pvp sucks in this game 100% wish it would change and for all u 4yrs old players who will say come find me i will give u pvp i say sure come find me in a t1 crusier with t1 eqiup and i will take on any 3-4yr player but u wont cause u have to your tricked out ship and your 10 friends to help u

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