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Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.04.28 17:50:00 -
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Time to increase Low End ORE Price {quick draft -forgive errors}
1.) Market really starting to show CRASH. Just look at sales lately and you'll see everything is pretty low. My pocket hasnĘt grown in weeks!
2.) Since the Drones have came out in patch "The higher end ore is cheaper" SO I say - increase the price of Low end ORE to make up for the slack.
3,) War Dec is becoming more of chance in EMPIRE now. 0.0 Is becoming more of hiding space then it is WAR ZONE. Now the rules have change and EMPIRE Is more RISKY. This is another reason why I say LOW END should BE higher.
5.) There are becoming more Pirate corps Like Privateers. This has hit hard on Industrial corps & Makes it very hard on leaders to keep corporation running smoothly.
4.) Ganking becoming more of chance as well. EVE (CCP) Does nothing to balance this problem. Or cares little about the mining part of the game.
So what does it take to increase ore price?
Players corps like ME and YOU.. Just increase the price by .35 - .50 isk more unit.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.04.28 18:00:00 -
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U said increase the price of low end mins right? like trit, pyer, mex???
U do know that mex is now at what? 20 to 24 isk per??? U do know it used to be 12 isk or lower right? same goes for pyer and trit, those 3 'low grade' mins have all almost doubled in price...
Erm... NO???
Hell prices of these have so risen i'm almost started thinking about mining them myself again 
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.28 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Alski on 28/04/2007 18:13:11
1. the T1 market is the same as its ever been, the T2 market is falling and thats a good thing, the Ore/Minerals market is still technicley stable since the price of low ends has risen and the high ends have fallen.
2. Low end ore price HAS - MASSIVELEY Increased!
look:
Tritianum 3 month change: up from 2.40 to 2.50
Pyerite 3 month change: up from ~6.0 to 9.0
Mexallon 3 month change: up from 18.0 to 28.0
3. Wardecs have allways be common in empire, mabey not as common for you personaley though i guess, did your corp move location recentley? did you join a new corp? make any enemys? - Has nothing to do with mineral prices
4. Ganking really hasent changed either, just more players = more gankage, get a blob of your own and get sum back.  - Has nothing to do with mineral prices
5. You mean more PvP corps that wardec corps for easy fights? they've allways been around, again more players = more wars, ccp recentley indroduced changes to the war system to keep the numbers under control - Has nothing to do with mineral prices
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.28 18:23:00 -
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Ill take some of what youre smoking please, along with some triple-price mexallon.
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k Rose
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.04.28 18:24:00 -
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I understand there going to be PEOPLE upset at the idea of increase. And your upset about the small increase in ORE price. And Now your going to flame war about it.
But I have to tell you " Im increasing the price of low end ore"
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Killerz
Time to increase Low End ORE Price {quick draft -forgive errors}
1.) Market really starting to show CRASH. Just look at sales lately and you'll see everything is pretty low. My pocket hasnĘt grown in weeks!
2.) Since the Drones have came out in patch "The higher end ore is cheaper" SO I say - increase the price of Low end ORE to make up for the slack.
3,) War Dec is becoming more of chance in EMPIRE now. 0.0 Is becoming more of hiding space then it is WAR ZONE. Now the rules have change and EMPIRE Is more RISKY. This is another reason why I say LOW END should BE higher.
5.) There are becoming more Pirate corps Like Privateers. This has hit hard on Industrial corps & Makes it very hard on leaders to keep corporation running smoothly.
4.) Ganking becoming more of chance as well. EVE (CCP) Does nothing to balance this problem. Or cares little about the mining part of the game.
So what does it take to increase ore price?
Players corps like ME and YOU.. Just increase the price by .35 - .50 isk more unit.
1) Its been like this since errrrm a long time ago.. remember, competition is what hurting us traders, ESPECIALLY when there are traders who undercut by a huge margin.
is THOSE GUYS that you should blame...
save a trader, do the 0.01 isk thing.
market is pretty stable.. no rollercoaster changes. and it overall balances itself out with the high end dropping and low end raising...(I miss the days when trit was 1.9 isk per, mex was 3.5 isk per and mex is like 9 isk per..)
T1 market will remain where it is, T2 will be lowered since new competition comes...
(hehe, competition is bad for bussiness =P...)
2) okay, what had you been smoking.... low ends have pretty much double, if not triple (mex) in price...
and only zydine has really crashed... (it was inflated before.)
mega is the same as before...
and yeah, if you looked at ships prices (t1), the prices are well, balanced.
3) errrrm, theres always NPC corps, and disbanding and reforming... and it takes 24 hours before someone can gank you... you dont HAVE to fight if you dont want to, is just annoying though.
I still say 0.0 has more risk... well, less than low sec though...
low sec riskier than 0.0, which is riskier than high sec
4) .... no comment,
5) either go back to NPC corps or make sure theres a component of guards around...
but yeah, things balance itself out in the end...
but hey, if YOU really want to increase low ends...
BUY UP ALL THE LOW ENDs, RESELL them higher =P ...
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Sonos SAGD
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:06:00 -
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Just sell your minerals at the price you want. Its a player market.
There are other options too. It requires lots of time and a bit of risk. start hoarding all the low ends you can. and start buying it at the lowests prices you can. thus lowering the supply and raising the price. thats when you unlodad your supplies in small quanities.
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:16:00 -
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im going to type this slowly so you can understand. EVE MARKET IS PVP, EVE MARKET IS PLAYER RUN. ccp has never made any major changes to the prices of items on the market except in conditions where they did not behave the way they originally expected. As the player base increases insize and mining increases as more people move into low sec aswell prices of minerals will drop simple supply and demand, just because your feeling the pinch is not a reason to change the market, simple answer is mine more ore, improve your skills go after an ore that provides better isk per m3.
Empire was never ment to be completely safe, ganking always happens in eve ccp will know when theres really a problem with the mining aspect of the game because the market will suddenly crumble and pvpers will complain theres not enough supply to meet the demands of their losses or their victims losses. Just because your an industrial corp doesn't give you some exclusive right to be free of pvp or been attacked, if you have problems with that hire some mercs to protect you or form and alliance with a pvp corp or develop your own pvp wing.
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Mika Xander
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:19:00 -
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I`m doing that zydrine. With my luck, though, the market will keep falling, and eventually I will have to sell.
Still, hoarding is not a bad idea anyway. Minerals are still needed to build ships, and as long as that stays like that (Who knows? This is EvE...) you won`t have to mine for that particular mineral.
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:23:00 -
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The above poster is my alt, sorry about that.
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k Rose
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.04.28 21:13:00 -
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 Trust me if they are willing to pay 3.75 for trit in 0.0, then increasing trit to 3. - 3.25 Isnt crazy. Im selling it easy at 3 a unit.. Even with people under cutting.
I think the Increase is a great idea!
Because I know Lower end ore is needed 
I say add .35 more unit - watch them pay for it 
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.28 21:30:00 -
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yep I'm all up for frigs costing 20 mil isk
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.04.28 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
yep I'm all up for frigs costing 20 mil isk
Yeah the impact on cheap ships would be a little bit much if it got any higher.
Go kill a macro miner. That'll always help the market.
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Donkee Punch
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Posted - 2007.04.28 21:42:00 -
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Sorry M8.. I'll have to vote an emphatic NO on this idea... Low end mins have already doubled or tripled in price.. the average miner in HighSec can actually get a few mil isk quite safely... even more if they are willing to brave .7 -.5 sec.. all the while safe from ganks etc.
If you're war decced thats another issue. .but it's life.
Changes in low end prices can have a dramatic effect on the price of the ships and mods being built.. particularly the ships... you use MILLIONS of units of trit vs a few thousand zyd.
I'm not slagging your post.. just disagreeing with you..
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Cute SpyGirl
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Posted - 2007.04.29 00:10:00 -
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It is soooo funny to see the same people whine about price of the market but at the same time complaint about us carebearers when we said, "war'dec is broken". Hey, most people did listen to your(pvper) recommendation to go play WoW. OP is correct that, war'dec process is too easy and it is broken... of course no one listen to mining carebearer. So all I can say is this, Deal with the price or go play WoW!!
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HaiMyNameIsBlindMan
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.04.29 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cute SpyGirl
It is soooo funny to see the same people whine about price of the market but at the same time complaint about us carebearers when we said, "war'dec is broken". Hey, most people did listen to your(pvper) recommendation to go play WoW. OP is correct that, war'dec process is too easy and it is broken... of course no one listen to mining carebearer. So all I can say is this, Deal with the price or go play WoW!!
-Cute
lulz, how is the war system broken when they just changed it in the patch. wts a clue
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* Fees for starting and maintaining wars are directly proportional to either the number of wars your corporation or alliance is engaged in, or the number of wars the victim is engaged in. Previously only the number of wars the victim was engaged in was taken into consideration.
* If the victim is involved in wars they did not initiate, those wars are counted towards the number influencing the cost of this war. If the instigator is also involved in wars they initiaged, those wars are also counted.
The higher of the two is used to determine the multiplier to the base cost, for example: if your corporation is involved in two wars your corporation initiated, a third war declaration will cost 3 times as much.
The same criteria applies to continuing wars: War are billed weekly based on the number of active wars at the time of billing. An example:
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* It then starts a war with with alliance C: 100M.
* Then next week it is billed for 200M, 100M for wars with both B and C (two outstanding wars).
* If C receives war declarations from two other alliances before the week is over, the bill will be 150M.
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Cute SpyGirl
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Posted - 2007.04.29 01:28:00 -
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This is for alliance war.. it doesn't answer the corp vs corp. Or am I wrong?
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.04.29 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 29/04/2007 01:44:37
Originally by: k Rose
Trust me if they are willing to pay 3.75 for trit in 0.0, then increasing trit to 3. - 3.25 Isnt crazy. Im selling it easy at 3 a unit.. Even with people under cutting.
I think the Increase is a great idea!
Because I know Lower end ore is needed
I say add .35 more unit - watch them pay for it
I can answer that one. In high sec empire, you can mine trit afk with no problem. You can do it all day. Take 2 hulks and a trasport ship and there's no ore thief risk either. In fact, is even boring. In 0.0 however, you can't go afk, you have players hunting you and double/tripple sansha spawns to tank. Because you have to tank-fit your ships, your yield will be less. And since you are not semi-afk, you get bored earlier therefore, mine less. Because of this, trit in 0.0 costs more than in empire.
I personally know a few 0.0 corps that don't even mine the trit. They mine the high end ore (where the big bucks are) and contract people like me to mine trit in empire for them.
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Etruscus
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Posted - 2007.04.29 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Killerz
Time to increase Low End ORE Price {quick draft -forgive errors}
1.) Market really starting to show CRASH. Just look at sales lately and you'll see everything is pretty low. My pocket hasnĘt grown in weeks!
2.) Since the Drones have came out in patch "The higher end ore is cheaper" SO I say - increase the price of Low end ORE to make up for the slack.
3,) War Dec is becoming more of chance in EMPIRE now. 0.0 Is becoming more of hiding space then it is WAR ZONE. Now the rules have change and EMPIRE Is more RISKY. This is another reason why I say LOW END should BE higher.
5.) There are becoming more Pirate corps Like Privateers. This has hit hard on Industrial corps & Makes it very hard on leaders to keep corporation running smoothly.
4.) Ganking becoming more of chance as well. EVE (CCP) Does nothing to balance this problem. Or cares little about the mining part of the game.
So what does it take to increase ore price?
Players corps like ME and YOU.. Just increase the price by .35 - .50 isk more unit.
This must be a troll post... only possible explenation, but anyway.
If you want prices to increase for minerals, put in a buy order of trit at 3.00 for 1B units. I can guarantee you that the price equilibrium will rise to 3.00 to match it. Now, I can't be held responsible for what will happen when that order expires, but there it is. A method to increase the prices and you can do it yourself.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.29 04:48:00 -
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good way to bankrupt yourself...
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Posted - 2007.04.29 05:32:00 -
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