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Cpt Fina Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.04.30 17:18:00 - [1] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/04/2007 17:15:28 A way to fight hisec-ganking would be to add "fake" items on market, replicas, as a tradegood. These items would b very cheap and when loaded in cargo (and when cargo-scanned) they would show as zyd, bpos, factionmods and other expensive things that hisec-gankers want to get a hold of. Then if you feel like it, you could tank up a hauler, insure it, load it with alot of "replicas" and head out on a 100 jump autopilot trip thru hisec. It would be worth loosing a few hundred thousand of isks just so you could laugh at the fools that lost a bunch of battleships over cheap replicas. What do you think about this? I see no big drawback except for the highsecgankers... who doesn't really risk much in their profession.
MellaRinn Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.30 17:25:00 - [2] things to fool the shipscanner module?? a module that works on a chance basis? naah, it would make it even less useful than it is now. And come on, highsec gankers are professionals, they do it day in-day out if they are serious about it. Random people usually don't do it, from my experience, as it takes far too much patience - so it isn't really such a big problem, imho. Or maybe it is in other people's exeperience? From what I gather: I do about 60-100 highsec jumps per day in highsec on my alt and hardly ever so much as see wreckage of noob corp ships in highsec. So I say leave the highsec gankers alone, fit t2 tanks on your badgers and enjoy the feeling of not being able to get smartbombed by a single ship :D Click
Stingwray	Posted - 2007.04.30 17:25:00 - [3] Don't really see the point of it, apart from causing more confusion about things, plus there would probably be nasty bits of code to do with how the item was viewed, whether it was in hanger, contracts in ships hold etc. Plus in reality the only purpose of replicas really is to scam other people. If you have something really valuable, then transport it in safety, there are Transport ships which great tanks that you could use, or use normal combat ships if it is small enough, travel in gangs to escort the industrial or cargo. Highsecgankers loose their ships every time they attack someone, if you stop giving them the gank then they won't get anything except for concord.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.04.30 17:29:00 - [4] I have a worse idea - the Jump To Conclusions Mat. It would have all these... conclusions... written on it... which you could.. jump to. See? Office Space 4-ever. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Cpt Fina Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.04.30 17:31:00 - [5] In its current form, there is very little do to retaliate on highsec-gankers. They seem to risk very little when doing what they do, Yes, they loose their ships, but only when they are sure about profiting from it. Replicas would be a very viable way too fight back, in a non-offensive way atleast.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.04.30 17:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Cpt Fina In its current form, there is very little do to retaliate on highsec-gankers. They seem to risk very little when doing what they do, Yes, they loose their ships, but only when they are sure about profiting from it. Replicas would be a very viable way too fight back, in a non-offensive way atleast. I had an idea to take an Iteron with some... falsely labelled cans and act as bait. Trained up an alt for it and sent her a boat to do it. I just haven't put it into practice though, because I never got a definite answer on whether you could scan the innards of a can in someone's hold. Plus, I'm beginning to doubt it'll work now you mentioned the 'definite benefit' factor. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.30 18:26:00 - [7] Originally by: The Pointless I had an idea to take an Iteron with some... falsely labelled cans and act as bait. Trained up an alt for it and sent her a boat to do it. I just haven't put it into practice though, because I never got a definite answer on whether you could scan the innards of a can in someone's hold. Plus, I'm beginning to doubt it'll work now you mentioned the 'definite benefit' factor. Cans will be found from a scan but you can't find out what's in them. If more people used alts with empty cans and moved the occasional full one, the gankers would find nothing most of the time. Since they couldn't be sure it wasn't just another decoy, they would be less inclined to gank them. --
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.04.30 18:28:00 - [8] feauters and ideas forum and next
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.30 18:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor I have a worse idea - the Jump To Conclusions Mat. It would have all these... conclusions... written on it... which you could.. jump to. See? Office Space 4-ever. That movie hits way too close to home for me. :) God I hate office life. warp drive active \| nature vraie
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.04.30 18:32:00 - [10] the office life is an intersting one
Unkotaro	Posted - 2007.04.30 23:22:00 - [11] (would like to point out that they decoy idea is, was, and forever will be fabulous and should also include whole-ship makeovers which, while costing you something - perhaps a higher sig radius - could MIMIC a frieghter with a full load, for those of us who wouldn't mind playing with pirates who thought we were iterons...)
Aversin Gallente JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2007.05.01 00:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor I have a worse idea - the Jump To Conclusions Mat. It would have all these... conclusions... written on it... which you could.. jump to. See? Office Space 4-ever. * hugs Jim McGregor Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.01 00:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Jim McGregor God I hate office life. If we give you your stapler back will you promise not to put strychnine in the guacamole? "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Sean Naised	Posted - 2007.08.12 02:57:00 - [14] how about removing passive targeters and making cargo scanning an act of aggression ? just a idea
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.08.12 03:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Drizit Originally by: The Pointless I had an idea to take an Iteron with some... falsely labelled cans and act as bait. Trained up an alt for it and sent her a boat to do it. I just haven't put it into practice though, because I never got a definite answer on whether you could scan the innards of a can in someone's hold. Plus, I'm beginning to doubt it'll work now you mentioned the 'definite benefit' factor. Cans will be found from a scan but you can't find out what's in them. How many times do people have to state that this isn't true for it to sink in: Items in cans are listed on a cargo scan. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/04/2007 17:15:28 A way to fight hisec-ganking would be to add "fake" items on market, replicas, as a tradegood. These items would b very cheap and when loaded in cargo (and when cargo-scanned) they would show as zyd, bpos, factionmods and other expensive things that hisec-gankers want to get a hold of. Then if you feel like it, you could tank up a hauler, insure it, load it with alot of "replicas" and head out on a 100 jump autopilot trip thru hisec. It would be worth loosing a few hundred thousand of isks just so you could laugh at the fools that lost a bunch of battleships over cheap replicas. What do you think about this? I see no big drawback except for the highsecgankers... who doesn't really risk much in their profession. I have an idea. People could not AFK in empire and they'd never get killed. Ever. Idiots. High sec ganking doesn't need to be 'combatted'. At all. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
tikinish	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:34:00 - [17] highsec ganking is a exploit, a never intended strategi. ccp tryid to correct it by totally multi overpowering concord. didn't work they found hte way around it... what i don't get is WHY concord let you fly around with "aimed" guns in there space. just make it so you cannot attack any one not in war or in your corp/alliance in high sec, explaination. concord do not allow you to have armoured guns rdy to fire in theyre systems. topic worth reading http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=569893&page=1sp idea[/
tikinish	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:35:00 - [18] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/04/2007 17:15:28 A way to fight hisec-ganking would be to add "fake" items on market, replicas, as a tradegood. These items would b very cheap and when loaded in cargo (and when cargo-scanned) they would show as zyd, bpos, factionmods and other expensive things that hisec-gankers want to get a hold of. Then if you feel like it, you could tank up a hauler, insure it, load it with alot of "replicas" and head out on a 100 jump autopilot trip thru hisec. It would be worth loosing a few hundred thousand of isks just so you could laugh at the fools that lost a bunch of battleships over cheap replicas. What do you think about this? I see no big drawback except for the highsecgankers... who doesn't really risk much in their profession. I have an idea. People could not AFK in empire and they'd never get killed. Ever. Idiots. High sec ganking doesn't need to be 'combatted'. At all. who is the idiot?! you clearly do not know how high sec ganking of freighters are made you moron. shut the f up if you don't know what your talking about topic worth reading http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=569893&page=1sp idea[/
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:37:00 - [19] please go away anonymus alt troll want to avoid high sec ganks? Hire my corp to run security! Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
Cpt Fina Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:37:00 - [20] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/04/2007 17:15:28 A way to fight hisec-ganking would be to add "fake" items on market, replicas, as a tradegood. These items would b very cheap and when loaded in cargo (and when cargo-scanned) they would show as zyd, bpos, factionmods and other expensive things that hisec-gankers want to get a hold of. Then if you feel like it, you could tank up a hauler, insure it, load it with alot of "replicas" and head out on a 100 jump autopilot trip thru hisec. It would be worth loosing a few hundred thousand of isks just so you could laugh at the fools that lost a bunch of battleships over cheap replicas. What do you think about this? I see no big drawback except for the highsecgankers... who doesn't really risk much in their profession. I have an idea. People could not AFK in empire and they'd never get killed. Ever. Idiots. High sec ganking doesn't need to be 'combatted'. At all. I have an idea. STFU and GTFO if you can't discuss without insulting people, you ******* idiot! Freighterpilots need intstruments to tackle highsec ganking with. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -TheDagda ([email protected])
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:38:00 - [21] they have them, its called not afk'ing and hiring an escort Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
Spigoe Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:42:00 - [22] Quote: Freighterpilots need intstruments to tackle highsec ganking with. Escort?
Greekil Gallente Cotton Buds Frontline.	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:44:00 - [23] I have an idea: Highsec IS NOT and WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE completely safe space. There is no "safe space" in Eve and highsec ganking requires no fix.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:50:00 - [24] Originally by: tikinish highsec ganking is a exploit, a never intended strategi. ccp tryid to correct it by totally multi overpowering concord. didn't work they found hte way around it... what i don't get is WHY concord let you fly around with "aimed" guns in there space. just make it so you cannot attack any one not in war or in your corp/alliance in high sec, explaination. concord do not allow you to have armoured guns rdy to fire in theyre systems. This is very much not true. In fact I could link you to posts on this forum by devs stating very clearly that it is an intended part of the game and that high sec is NOT meant to be completely safe. ------------------
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: murder one Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/04/2007 17:15:28 A way to fight hisec-ganking would be to add "fake" items on market, replicas, as a tradegood. These items would b very cheap and when loaded in cargo (and when cargo-scanned) they would show as zyd, bpos, factionmods and other expensive things that hisec-gankers want to get a hold of. Then if you feel like it, you could tank up a hauler, insure it, load it with alot of "replicas" and head out on a 100 jump autopilot trip thru hisec. It would be worth loosing a few hundred thousand of isks just so you could laugh at the fools that lost a bunch of battleships over cheap replicas. What do you think about this? I see no big drawback except for the highsecgankers... who doesn't really risk much in their profession. I have an idea. People could not AFK in empire and they'd never get killed. Ever. Idiots. High sec ganking doesn't need to be 'combatted'. At all. I have an idea. STFU and GTFO if you can't discuss without insulting people, you ***** idiot! Freighterpilots need intstruments to tackle highsec ganking with. If they're getting killed in high sec, they must have done something horribly stupidly wrong. Hence, they're idiots. I kill people in high sec ALL THE TIME** and every single one of them died because they were being stupid. If you died in high sec, it's because you are not smart enough to live. Not because there is anything wrong with the rules. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Cpt Fina Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.08.12 05:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Tortun Nahme they have them, its called not afk'ing and hiring an escort Not AFK'ing will still make you a viable target since it takes very long to initiate warp with a freighter. Escorts won't be able to do much to protect you if the freighter gets caught in a camp. Remote reppers will hardly rep fast enough when 15 Battleships are pounding in a target with baseresist. Heavy hitters might take out 1 gank BS before the freighter pops. The best solution is to avoid the camp, "simply" go around it but these camps seem to be set up at places that you have to pass when travelling between tradehubs. Can you explain the horrific consequences of this relica-idea or reducing the cargo space and giving freighters a few lowslots? Every other ship (except shuttles) in eve can have modules fitted to perform for a task, why not freighters? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -TheDagda ([email protected])
Cpt Fina Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.08.12 06:01:00 - [27] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: murder one Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/04/2007 17:15:28 A way to fight hisec-ganking would be to add "fake" items on market, replicas, as a tradegood. These items would b very cheap and when loaded in cargo (and when cargo-scanned) they would show as zyd, bpos, factionmods and other expensive things that hisec-gankers want to get a hold of. Then if you feel like it, you could tank up a hauler, insure it, load it with alot of "replicas" and head out on a 100 jump autopilot trip thru hisec. It would be worth loosing a few hundred thousand of isks just so you could laugh at the fools that lost a bunch of battleships over cheap replicas. What do you think about this? I see no big drawback except for the highsecgankers... who doesn't really risk much in their profession. I have an idea. People could not AFK in empire and they'd never get killed. Ever. Idiots. High sec ganking doesn't need to be 'combatted'. At all. I have an idea. STFU and GTFO if you can't discuss without insulting people, you ***** idiot! Freighterpilots need intstruments to tackle highsec ganking with. I kill people in high sec ALL THE TIME and every single one of them died because they were being stupid. What has that to do with anything? I kill people in lowsec but I don't automatically think they're stupid, just inexperienced or that they thought that the risk vs reward-factor was good enough to get them in that situation. Originally by:** murder one If you died in high sec, it's because you are not smart enough to live. Not because there is anything wrong with the rules. Did i ever say that the rules of highsec are borked? I'm merely complaining over the lack of tools haulers got to prevent/fight highsec-gankings. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -TheDagda ([email protected])
Horionte Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.12 06:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/04/2007 17:15:28 A way to fight hisec-ganking would be to add "fake" items on market, replicas, as a tradegood. These items would b very cheap and when loaded in cargo (and when cargo-scanned) they would show as zyd, bpos, factionmods and other expensive things that hisec-gankers want to get a hold of. Then if you feel like it, you could tank up a hauler, insure it, load it with alot of "replicas" and head out on a 100 jump autopilot trip thru hisec. It would be worth loosing a few hundred thousand of isks just so you could laugh at the fools that lost a bunch of battleships over cheap replicas. What do you think about this? I see no big drawback except for the highsecgankers... who doesn't really risk much in their profession. That's a bit like saying "I'm gonna go out with a fat wallet full of subway and coffee cards in my hand, get mugged and laugh at the muggers as they open it in their hideout after getting chased off by the police" Funny, but moot. -- The intelligence of the Earth is constant. Problem is, the population keeps rising.
Ed Anger	Posted - 2007.08.12 06:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Sean Naised how about removing passive targeters and making cargo scanning an act of aggression ? just a idea easy ftw
Sal Alo Minmatar Vertigo Project Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.12 06:09:00 - [30] Edited by: Sal Alo on 12/08/2007 06:10:21 Is hisec-ganking an issue? By my point of view, Police is just a deterrent not something that doesn't allow ganking. You can gank, but you'll pay the consequences after you have done something illegal... just like real life.

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