Lots of guns, lots of tank, works in fleets.

T3c does it better, but costs more.

T3 Battle Cruisers do equal DPS & Alpha as well long range and Tracing as Battleships, but their speed and agility makes them more suited for Blitzkrieg attacks , but their speed can be used as a defensive tactic to rival the Battleships HP's , therefore making them more effective in Fleet battles.

Well you going to say BS have better chance if they get remotely repaired but usually most of the BS pOp on the first Fleet barrage

The Battleships still need some love to set them apart

What about if Remote repair units are effected from signature radius, as missiles do so when a large RR unit is used at smaller ship will not get the full benefit as a BS size ship do therefore slightly benefiting BS's, is a small change but is a start.

What about if Remote repair units are effected from signature radius, as missiles do so when a large RR unit is used at smaller ship will not get the full benefit as a BS size ship do therefore slightly benefiting BS's, is a small change but is a start.

My logi heart is crying now!

Don't make logi more difficult than it need to be. Oh and all your logi buddies erased you from their watchlist - permanently.

Minimatar, Machariel battleships look awesome, forget the rest.


They really should have a role bonus though like most ships do nowadays.

....Another idea is Phase-out Unit that will phase-out the BS for short time and reappear later , like the Philadelphia experiment

The role of Battleships in EVE Universe ?

Why should I use Battleship ?

Nobody really needs you to want to fly a battleship. We really have enough other people who want it because it's big, so if you're happy flying cruisers then more power to you.


I'd give battleships more hit points; now that they finally got their mobility nerfs they need the buff that sets them properly aside--not just underneath--battlecruisers. Once upon a time battleships were basically expensive battlecruisers.

And fix battleship sized guns so they can hit things easierstop hitting so easily and give them role bonuses. YES!
I want more battlecruisers and battleships in the game. ME TOO! We have enough frigates and /could use more\ cruisers /too\.

What to do? Give them something different. They already have a pretty significant DPS advantage, they can use modules that cost a lot of powergrid. CCP is moving in the right direction by adding heavy modules. (We could use a few medium or cruiser modules!) Give battleships the staying power to make their dominance count for something. Give them truly battleship-sized shield extenders and armor plates, so big that battlecruisers can't fit them. Increase their base hit points a bit, too. They already have the ability to fit giant armor repairers and shield boosters.

It has been a while since I've been "in the know" but these are the problems I remember with battleships as far as null sec alliances go:

1. 125 mb/s droneboats (ishtar specifically) putting out battleship dps with battleship projection
2. jump fatigue on jump freighters (hard to seed markets)
3. carrier sentry blobs being silly

I'm not sure of current null sec meta, but I know that they've tried to make changes to 3 with fighter changes and splitting off logistics. I see that they have made changes to ishtars, so I'm not sure of the current status of 1. I'm not sure about 2, but it may be murky with fozzysov.

Battleships still do what they do well though. T3 cruisers haven't replaced them in incursions, ratting, or L4 missions. The problem is that the game meta is all about avoiding fights you can't win, which is where the battleship is weak.

Navy battleships do need to get looked at though, most of them are bad choices for everything.

1. The Ishtar is no longer the monster it used to be. It was put back into it's HAC place and is not taking BS spots in potential doctrines.

2. JF fatigue is not enough to stop pirate BS fleet from being a thing so seeding is not the problem.

3. Carrier sentry blobs no longer exist since carrier can't use sentries anymore.

I'm glad to see 1 and 3 go, those were cancer to the game.

But if 2 isn't a factor anymore and we have pirate battleship blobs, then I'm not sure what the thread is about.

There isn't enough grid left to fit modules any bigger already.

What about if Armor and Shield extenders are restricted in class for Frigates-Destroyers-Cruisers-BattleCruisers-BattleShips-CapitalShips

t3 battleships solve everything even universe it self.

Don't believe me? Just wait until these new CONCORD ships are made available (they'll be equivalent to a $400 investment, so if you think they're going to be subpar you can guess again).

They won't be anywhere as powerful as you think a 400$ investment would bring because it's not a 400$ investment but a gift. Chances are most will stay docked 100% of the time until CCP make them more available than one batche.

You could be right. This could also be testing the waters for future microtransactions involving unique ships, modules, etc. Look, null-sec is so wealthy it can buy whatever it wants anyway, so EVE is already effectively Pay2Win for certain elite groups. Microtranscations just level the playing field for everyone else not space rich.

There are two ways to expand your revenue: Increase the number of players or find new ways of offering new value-added services for your existing membership. This is typically where F2P leads, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that this might be in the cards for the near future.

I doodled a bit on your post.


This bit is important: People see clearly that battleships underperform when compared to combat battlecruisers. Battleships have a bit more DPS and hit points, but are much slower and have WAY more trouble hitting targets. People think "oh I have the perfect solution! Obviously, the reason battlecruisers dominate is because of their tracking (true), so if battleships get more tracking they will be fixed!!

IF BATTLESHIPS GET MORE TRACKING, THEY WILL ONCE AGAIN JUST BE EXPENSIVE BATTLECRUISERS

What to do? Give them something different. They already have a pretty significant DPS advantage, they can use modules that cost a lot of powergrid. CCP is moving in the right direction by adding heavy modules. (We could use a few medium or cruiser modules!) Give battleships the staying power to make their dominance count for something. Give them truly battleship-sized shield extenders and armor plates, so big that battlecruisers can't fit them. Increase their base hit points a bit, too. They already have the ability to fit giant armor repairers and shield boosters.

I'd go so far as to cut T2 cruiser logi down to using medium modules and then give people a logi battleship for the big ones. Giant fleets of battleships that sit there mostly immobile holding ground and using logi webs to reinforce their defense should not be getting repaired by cruisers. They should have battleships doing that. Battleship logi would be much less mobile but much more tenacious. Cruiser logi should have shorter range and considerably lower repair rate.

I like your constructive approach to the issue relating to my post.

T3 Battle Cruisers do equal /or higher\ DPS & Alpha as well as range and Tracking as Battleships, but their speed and agility makes them more suited for Blitzkrieg attacks; but their speed can be used as a defensive tactic to rival the Battleships HP /defense\ , therefore making them more equally effective in Fleet battles/while being superior at getting in and out of them, all for a /LOWER PRICE TAG\.

Well you going to say BS have better chance if they get remotely repaired but usually most of the BS pOp on the first Fleet barrage
You can't say battleships have a defensive advantage with logi on the field when even a medium fleet of attack battlecruisers can alpha a battleship off the field.(Which is why I'm arguing for more hit points!)

The Battleships still need some love to set them apart!!

It's about epople who think BS should be the be all end all solution to God know what and so pretend BS aren't viable and then people look around for anything that might be the reason why. Battleships as a class are usable. The T1 lineup is currently in an odd spot meta wise but still usable in some case. The abundance of pirate BPC has put the faction ones in a bad spot tho. They are clearly inferior to pirates ones but rarely worth the money because the LP they require to get are better used on many other stuff so nobody sink them into BS.

....But I think 3 things should happen:
1. Review T1 battleships. They don't all have to have equal use, but make sure they all have a reasonable niche.
2. Rebalance T3 cruisers. Address the OP subsystems, fix the UP subsystems.
3. Fix navy battleships (or any navy ship for that matter, but focus on navy battleships). They're terribly bad right now, and many of them are functionally flawed so they're worse than the T1 versions.
4, Punch and Pie. Yum

Other than that I'm fine with how things are.

3. You meant fix navy battleship pricetags

...No, fix the ships themselves.

Tempest Fleet - complete garbage
Typhoon Fleet - split weapon bonuses are bad. This use to have the highest damage of any missile platform at 8.25 effective launcher, but lost a lot paper DPS because of bad application. With the barghest sporting 9 effective launchers it's bad on every level. The only advantage it has is 125 mb of unbonused drones, but that doesn't make up for it being unimpressive.

Megathron Navy - I don't know anyone who would consider a regular megathron to a navy megathron as an upgrade path. You either go to a vindicator or a kronos. Even if it only cost 10m extra to get a navy megathron I doubt it would be worth it.
Domi Navy - just what everyone wants, split weapon bonuses on what is possibly the best T1 battleship. If they copied and pasted the bonuses from the T1 domi it would be top shelf with the extra mid, as it stands it's laughably bad.

Apocalypse Navy - decently useful. Probably the best navy battleship right now.
Armageddon Navy - no idea, doesn't look bad but doesn't get a lot of play either (my exposure to this ship is limited)

Raven Navy - It use to be a good ship that was a reasonable upgrade from a T1 raven. It's still ok, but the 9 effective turret barghest overshadows it now.
Scorpion Navy - it has a small window of being good for lower sp characters. Once someone starts maxing out enough skills it falls off hard to the golem, rattlesnake, and barghest.

The problem with these ships isn't the cost compared to T1 battleships, it's that these ships often fail to be upgrades to them.

Battleships need some role bonus unique or "stolen" from another ship.
First example: 300% bonus to armor plates and shield extenders (No need to make new 3200mm plate with silly Power grid numbers).
Second Example: 150% bonus to light drones damage and hitpoints. Add some more drone bay m3 to Battleships.
Third Example: 60% more tracking against frigates and 30% against Dessies and Cruisers.
Forth Example: Cant miss more than 8 times in a row. 9th hit will hit for damage.

They need for sure a role bonus to make them viable again.

No, fix the ships themselves.

Tempest Fleet - complete garbage
Typhoon Fleet - split weapon bonuses are bad. This use to have the highest damage of any missile platform at 8.25 effective launcher, but lost a lot paper DPS because of bad application. With the barghest sporting 9 effective launchers it's bad on every level. The only advantage it has is 125 mb of unbonused drones, but that doesn't make up for it being unimpressive.

Megathron Navy - I don't know anyone who would consider a regular megathron to a navy megathron as an upgrade path. You either go to a vindicator or a kronos. Even if it only cost 10m extra to get a navy megathron I doubt it would be worth it.
Domi Navy - just what everyone wants, split weapon bonuses on what is possibly the best T1 battleship. If they copied and pasted the bonuses from the T1 domi it would be top shelf with the extra mid, as it stands it's laughably bad.

Apocalypse Navy - decently useful. Probably the best navy battleship right now.
Armageddon Navy - no idea, doesn't look bad but doesn't get a lot of play either (my exposure to this ship is limited)

Raven Navy - It use to be a good ship that was a reasonable upgrade from a T1 raven. It's still ok, but the 9 effective turret barghest overshadows it now.
Scorpion Navy - it has a small window of being good for lower sp characters. Once someone starts maxing out enough skills it falls off hard to the golem, rattlesnake, and barghest.

The problem with these ships isn't the cost compared to T1 battleships, it's that these ships often fail to be upgrades to them.

I would like to think so, but as we've seen CCP is horrible at implementing new balanced features (T3D, Rorqual, Fighters). This isn't a criticism per say, but their track record speaks for itself. So T3Bs would become the new meta/doctrine and run amok for 1-2 years until CCP figures out how to un-f*ck them. During which time life will become miserable for everyone else. Meanwhile, wormholers everywhere rejoice!

Don't believe me? Just wait until these new CONCORD ships are made available (they'll be equivalent to a $400 investment, so if you think they're going to be subpar you can guess again).

....I am too interested to see new concord lineup and see what money / gift will bring to servers.

CONCORD Marshal Battleship bonus per level:

250% ECM strength

20% less CPU needs for system cloak jammer

75% Energy turret damage

10% Energy turret tracking

10% Armor repair module effectiveness

20% less capacitor use for armor repair modules

12.5% stasis webifier effectiveness

120% stasis webifier range

1000% stasis grappler optimal and falloff

5% stasis grappler effectiveness

125% warp scrambler and disruptor range

125% optimal range and falloff for all electronic warfare modules

120% nosferatu effectiveness and range

40% neutralizer effectiveness and range

120% logistic drone hitpoints / warp drive speed, hitpoints and effectiveness

1200% remote armor repair and remote shield booster optimal range and falloff

15% capacitor use for remote armor repair modules and remote shield boosters


Role Bonus:

- Can fit system wide cloaking jammer

- A successful target lock reduces all resistances on the target to 0%

- Can fit CONCORD ECM

- Immune to all forms of electronic warfare

- Interdictor nullified

- Starburst enhanced

- Can fit infini-drive

- No stacking penalties for any penalized module

- Can only fit one ECM module

- Can only fit up to 3x heatsinks

- -75% damage and tracking for all weapon systems (not including energy turrets or drones)



Slot layout:

- 8 highslots (4x turret hardpoints no launchers)
- 6 midslots
- 8 lowslots

1000m-¦ dronebay / 125mbit

- 1200 CPU
- 25000 powergrid
- 24000 capacitor / 180 second capacitor recharge
- 15000 shield hp / 120 second shield recharge time (with 75/75/75/75 resistance)
- 15000 armor hp (80/80/80/80 resistance)
- 15000 hull hp (50/50/50/50) resistance)

- 200km targeting range
- 275mm sensor resolution
- 450m/s base speed
- 45 agility
- 12 target locks