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Nami Quan'Halmang
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:12:00 -
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im planing on doing a "little" upgrading to my comp going for a gb or 2 of memory, new mainboard, and my go AMD64 FX (yes im an the "intel" type, though there "nehalem" duel core chip, is 2 years off) and im planing to raid 4 250gb ATA 133 or SATA for a terabyte of HD space. is this a little much..... and what would you do with a terabyte of HD space?
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:14:00 -
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ROFL... 
give me your new computer and i give you mine, think i need it more than ya...
peps with to much money suckz...
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:15:00 -
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pron maybe... woops a typo 
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:15:00 -
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I would write "1" and "0" all over it. Bragging eh?
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:17:00 -
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((250*4)*(10^9))/1048576/1024 = 0,9094 TB
 
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: StealthNet on 01/01/2004 23:33:13
What you want ?
Protection (resilience) or performance ?
Since you will have 4 drives, what kind of application will you use ?
If you will run a server of some sort, or a simple workstation ?
If it's for a workstation, you can get the best performance out of this:
2 RAID0 each one with 2 drives. In the first, you can put the operating system and data files. In the second RAID0 you put applications and programs.
If you will run a database, I/O is everything, you need I/O in the internal channels and the drive itself. FOr that, you can do this: 1 physical drive for the OS and the programs. Another physical drive for the database itself, and a RAID0 for the transaction logs.
When creating RAID0 volumes, you can get 1 drive in each channel for the best performance too.
Edit: just to remember you that RAID0 does not provide any sort of data protection, so if *any* drive fails, you loose the whole RAID0 volume.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:53:00 -
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I knew we were in trouble as soon as Sir Clive brought out his 16k RAM extension pack.
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Paul Dubois
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Posted - 2004.01.02 00:05:00 -
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God do you remember that, every time you moved the thing at all the damn thing crashed, and thats after spending an hour trying to type a progmram in on the awful membrane keyboard.
1k on board memory, and a 16k memory pack, sheesh talk about changing times.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.02 00:12:00 -
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raid-0 sucks, frankly, cos you lower the durability of the drives. Meaning if 1 drive is built to last 3 years, 2 drives in parallel have lifetime of maybe 2 years or so.
better option would be LVM (large volume manager) or something.
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Xtreem
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Posted - 2004.01.02 00:24:00 -
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i have 1.2TB and its not all that, just hdd, fill up with rubbish like before just alot more of it
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.02 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: StealthNet on 02/01/2004 01:53:42
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raid-0 sucks, frankly, cos you lower the durability of the drives. Meaning if 1 drive is built to last 3 years, 2 drives in parallel have lifetime of maybe 2 years or so.
better option would be LVM (large volume manager) or something.
Lower the durability of the drives ? Why is that ? because you are writing in 2 drives at the same time ? Well you are writing half the data in each one... anyway the drives are doing what they are supposed to do anyway
I have an old RAID0 here in one of my PCs with a MylexDAC960 and 4 x 8 GB Uscsi drives. It has 5 years...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.02 02:14:00 -
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God do you remember that, every time you moved the thing at all the damn thing crashed, and thats after spending an hour trying to type a progmram in on the awful membrane keyboard.
1k on board memory, and a 16k memory pack, sheesh talk about changing times.
Remember it? I wrote games for it.
My greatest success was a flying-through-space game, where you controlled a capital V, and had to move it left and right to avoid capital O's that scrolled up the screen. It only used the left half of the screen, too, otherwise it would run out of memory and crash.
Ahhh, those were the days. You don't get games like that any more.
Wonder why not 
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Dirge
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Posted - 2004.01.02 02:48:00 -
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Honestly, I can see no reason to have that much space unless you need it to archive vast amounts of data. You would get much quicker, and more reliable performance out of a pair of 10k rpm 36gig SATA drives.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.02 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 02/01/2004 03:00:56
No it lowers durability statistically, because if one drive fails, the whole array fails. Thats why you do raid 5 or raid 0+1 (or 1+0) in "grown up servers", WITH BACKUP.
It get's worse with increased number of discs.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.02 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 02/01/2004 03:00:56
No it lowers durability statistically, because if one drive fails, the whole array fails. Thats why you do raid 5 or raid 0+1 (or 1+0) in "grown up servers", WITH BACKUP.
It get's worse with increased number of discs.
Oh, so you mean resilience, the hability of the solution to stand a failure. Thats not durability :)
Statistically, yes, you have twice more chance of *loosing the data* in the volume than with 1 drive, if we are talking about a raid0 with 2 physical drives. For each drive you add to the system, that chance also gets higher.
I still believe that RAID0 is a good solution for workstations. It has wonderful performance if properly setup. But you must never forget about backup even on a workstation.
If you need data protection, then a RAID1, 5 or XL is way better.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 02/01/2004 13:03:24
Yea but since backup solutions for workstations with, say 500Gb are far too expensive compared to prices of IDE or SATA drives, you could as well backup on hard drives.
Problem is, the average user thinks of this as of "cutting the volume in half" so they use all disks for storage, not backup. Cheap way is to burn dvds as backup for mp3's or movies.
P.S. i had a feeling that "durability" might not be proper word, but hey, english is my 3rd language
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:08:00 -
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the geeks go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah... 
while this may sound fun, realize that you will be running windows on this beast else you wouldn't be here asking about EvE usage, right?
Do you really want to defrag a 250 MB drive?  Get something smaller and saner for your system disk, IMHO. Then go crazy with the storage.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:23:00 -
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I have 3 HD's.
1 20GB 7200rpm with Windows XP Pro + programs I use most.
1 30GB 7200rpm for music/video.
1 30GB to backup the 20gb disk.
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:24:00 -
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Oh yeah, my joystick is bigger than all of yours!
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KrapYl
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:35:00 -
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I cannot believe noone is recommending SATA over ATA... its just that much better... specially on a raid 0...
and about the backup and data security... **** it, i can download 50gb a day :D only stuff i need backed up is my save games, emails and a few documents...
as for setting up 250gb disks in raid ? i wouldnt do that... i would go and get me some nice 36GB(as posted above) 10.000 RPM disks for system, applications & games... and if u thought of setting all 4 disks on a raid 0... ur sick, constantly spinning around 1 terrabye ? :D rofl... atleast do as another poster allready said, 2 and 2... so u have 2 raid 0 arreys...
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:42:00 -
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Oh yeah, my joystick is bigger than all of yours!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.02 15:52:00 -
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P.S. i had a feeling that "durability" might not be proper word, but hey, english is my 3rd language
It is, and you used it perfectly. Which makes those of us who don't even have a 3rd language feel fairly inadequate, even without talk about who has the largest joystick and can produce the most RAM.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.02 16:17:00 -
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P.S. i had a feeling that "durability" might not be proper word, but hey, english is my 3rd language
It is, and you used it perfectly. Which makes those of us who don't even have a 3rd language feel fairly inadequate, even without talk about who has the largest joystick and can produce the most RAM.
and all of you preparing to list 1337 as your second language now, put DOWN the keyboard... step AWAY from the keyboard....
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