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Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 00:27:00 - [1] Hey... I am working on getting the history of Geminate down on the Eve history wiki. Can some of you guys who have flown around the area for a couple of years help out? Here is the link. I've been flying in the area since November 2005, but I don't know what happened before that. Thanks! DZ
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 00:40:00 - [2] i'd be happy to tell you about e-r bwf control till now but then im assuming you already know about that. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Zarthanon Gallente Random Acts of Violence Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.02 00:55:00 - [3] I've been involved with most of what happened in Gem, so I can help out. I'll start remembering stuff eventually. I like pie.
Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 00:56:00 - [4] That would be great guys. If you want to go into the Wiki you can add to it in the appropriate sections. Or you can send me the information in a mail and I can paste it in.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:03:00 - [5] oh wow having just read this i need to say some things about the e-r era cos your delusional. you really need to switch the e-r and the ESA one. "They left Geminate in December 2006/January 2007 after the entire Northern Coalition failed to remove Smash and r0adkill from the east side of the region." The ENTIRE NORTHERN COALITION YOU SAY? um no... RZR raided you every now and then. D2 brought 1 huge fleet once and managed to put nearly every single k25 tower into reinforced and e-r held 6 large towers there for a period of time. The fact that e-r doesnt like pos warefare played against them and in the end they accepted a contract and moved elsewere (namely the one against BoB during the ASCN war - at least to the best of my knowledge) rk and smash never had to bare the full brunt of the north... ever! if you did all they would have had to do was turn around and spit at you... and you would have drowned. dont misunderstand this as me saying you where pathetic. far from it. what rk and smash have done is quite spectacular for 2 alliances of the size you used to be. you stood up to the odds very well(i just dont think at the time you could have held out against the north had they chosen to remove you). CDC/E-R/ukms/arrow however where determined to remove you and they where a very powerful coalition. You then withstood ESA as well... but you had alot more help this time. Wreckless Abandon, F-E and Cruel Intentions. But you shouldn't say somthing like the above which is really belittling of a coalition that never really put effort into you. They came once! in summary, yes well done SMASHKILL but you never had to withstand "the entire Northern Coalition". Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Minigin oh wow having just read this i need to say some things about the e-r era cos your delusional. you really need to switch the e-r and the ESA one. hehe... no need to get offended. Writing history is a difficult task when there are so many sides and viewpoints on it. I'll look at it again and make some changes so its not abrasive. I just remember for 6 weeks how just about everyone in the North were camping and attacking K25. Those were good fights and very intense for an extended period of time. It was lots of fun. :) BUT, I don't want to get into a big discussion that will hijack the thread. I'll work on it more.
Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:42:00 - [7] nice changes... thanks!
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 01:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Da'iel Zehn nice changes... thanks! i just changed a few things i felt needed it and added some of my own stuff. Hope i havnt offended anyone. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Chmod Hellscream Prime Order Pure.	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:10:00 - [9] you are missing Black Flag Alliance. Who owned k25-UL4 in the time before the TDE outpost was put up.
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:10:00 - [10] Edited by: Peoke on 02/05/2007 02:07:22 yes the entire north wasnt here. local was only at 300 enemies 30+ dreads for 6 straight weeks. you had no razor or mm but you forgot to add astral wolves and cdc and pure and such. And the main turning point was the help we recieved from executive outcomes for 2 days. when we removed 2 er towers and won a decisive fleet battle. after this the bob threat was to much and the north couldnt lose more billions to us.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Peoke yes the entire north wasnt here. local was only at 300 enemies 30+ dreads for 6 straight weeks. you had no razor or mm but you forgot to add astral wolves and cdc and pure and such. astral wolves involvements was minimal. In the huge raid when the north brought down 200 there was 1 wolf there. Pure involvement in geminate affairs was also minimal untill CDC disbanded. so i dont know where smash is getting there intel seeing as you where the emperor at the time... and thats exactly my point... there where 300 enemies in local for an extended period and you never saw half of the north! Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Chmod Hellscream you are missing Black Flag Alliance. Who owned k25-UL4 in the time before the TDE outpost was put up. hehe.. I couldn't remember the name, but I remembered they were in the region at one point. Added to the list. Amazing how many alliances have come through Geminate in the last year.5. Thanks for the input guys.
Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Peoke yes the entire north wasnt here. local was only at 300 enemies 30+ dreads for 6 straight weeks... astral wolves involvements was minimal. In the huge raid when the north brought down 200 there was 1 wolf there. Pure involvement in geminate affairs was also minimal... The original troublesome statement has been changed so lets move on. No need to rehash the viewpoints atm, nor open old wounds. We can all agree it was a fun time, and it was an epic struggle that will be long remembered no matter what side you were on. Peace.
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:40:00 - [14] Geminate has quite a vivid history actually. For being such a lame region there's been a lot of interesting stuff going on there. Highlights I can think of (in no particular order): BB putting up the blue pill The MC contract to clear the region, followed by Lacuna Viator's severely botching their outpost deployment The Ratel vs SMASH war ESA getting handed outposts, and then their behinds (twice)
Onchas Erivvia The Andromeda Directorate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:40:00 - [15] Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 02/05/2007 02:40:16 "The North" could have moved into Geminate. They didn't. I suspect one good reason why they didn't was they didn't want to risk their other borders. One of the things that keeps everyone stable and happy (that was until BoB invaded ASCN) was that attacking one group exposed you to another. How many times have we seen one alliance wage war with the guy on their left only to see the guy on their right invade? Plenty. I've heard a lot over the years of how terrible and fearsome some alliance or group of Alliances are. 99% of the time they're just as incompetent as the rest. Most big alliances have a few great PvPers (that usually decide they're too good for fleet battles) and the rest are just grist for the mill. SMASH and RK kicked out a bunch of small Alliances that sat on the left flank of "The North" which were there to do nothing more than be stabilizing for "The North" - a few small brush fires was just enough to keep anything from significantly happening that would threaten invasion of "The North". As long as nothing threatening took root it was left alone. "The North" didn't come because there was nothing to be gained from coming. The cost, the time, and the hassle was going to be too much. We can talk ad nauseum about what could of happened. What's at issue here is what did happen. The real success of RK and SMASH has been to bring stability and order to a region that was thought to be uncontrollable, ine that was thought would always be a haven for pirates and other ne'er-do-wells. ------------------------------------------ 'Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 02:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Onchas Erivvia Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 02/05/2007 02:40:16 "The North" could have moved into Geminate. They didn't. I suspect one good reason why they didn't was they didn't want to risk their other borders. One of the things that keeps everyone stable and happy (that was until BoB invaded ASCN) was that attacking one group exposed you to another. How many times have we seen one alliance wage war with the guy on their left only to see the guy on their right invade? Plenty. I've heard a lot over the years of how terrible and fearsome some alliance or group of Alliances are. 99% of the time they're just as incompetent as the rest. Most big alliances have a few great PvPers (that usually decide they're too good for fleet battles) and the rest are just grist for the mill. SMASH and RK kicked out a bunch of small Alliances that sat on the left flank of "The North" which were there to do nothing more than be stabilizing for "The North" - a few small brush fires was just enough to keep anything from significantly happening that would threaten invasion of "The North". As long as nothing threatening took root it was left alone. "The North" didn't come because there was nothing to be gained from coming. The cost, the time, and the hassle was going to be too much. We can talk ad nauseum about what could of happened. What's at issue here is what did happen. The real success of RK and SMASH has been to bring stability and order to a region that was thought to be uncontrollable, ine that was thought would always be a haven for pirates and other ne'er-do-wells. nice analysis. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 06:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Peoke Edited by: Peoke on 02/05/2007 02:07:22 yes the entire north wasnt here. local was only at 300 enemies 30+ dreads for 6 straight weeks. you had no razor or mm but you forgot to add astral wolves and cdc and pure and such. And the main turning point was the help we recieved from executive outcomes for 2 days. when we removed 2 er towers and won a decisive fleet battle. after this the bob threat was to much and the north couldnt lose more billions to us. Gonna have to correct you here Peoke (in a non smacking way for a change) D2 came for only 1 weekend, inwhich we ran 2 ops, local never went over 170 and that included roughly 30 RK/Smash in local. Maximum amount of dreads used was 30 in that your correct, but again that was only for the 2days D2 helped us, other than those 2days the maximum dread fleet we could muster was only 12-15. The war raged for 2-3 months i think we E-R/CDC/Pure slowly and i mean SLOWLY gaining ground in K25, when we left it was 3/4 pos's in RK's favour. D2 was only called in top stop us from all going mad, it was discussed that we would eventually win, but it would take another month or 2 to win and that was something that we couldn't sustain with our ADD mindset lol, so we put the call in for an all out op to try to finish it once and for all, but TZ proved once again the stalling factor in the war, then and always :( Executive Outcomes defeated us in a pos Defence and we lost 1 tower only, the arse was it was our fault we lost the battle, we didn't think you'd be able to muster the forces in our TZ so only a token force showed up to defend it, CDC/Pure fleet arrived about 10mins too late to save the POS, but ah well, we still had fun All in all, it was an amazing war, with few real battles, but lots of pos boosting and strontium being sacrificed for the cause. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Sahwoolo "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.05.02 06:30:00 - [18] Edited by: fugazii on 02/05/2007 06:27:34 foe did not have anything to do with big blue. not to mention the entirety of foe is left out of the history. and you cannot talk about Geminate without including Vale and Tribute, as most of the game these 3 regions have been under 1 flag or very closely related. cant speak of dates or what happened before this time in depth. but after f-e corp left game in early 04 the space was spit up, cant remember exactly who was in tribute (if i recall correctly it was an inderect extension of deklein residents CoD under a differant name) but unicor an alliance led by everlasting vendetta took control of vale of the silent and geminate. the pirate syndicate was formed from some ex-fe corp members and was consisted of corps such as dirty sanchez, huff tech, felix alliance, silent gaurd, deviance, ssdc, vogon deconstruction fleet. after months of war tps gained controll of all of vale, gem, and tribute. only timeline i can give for this is vale was secured 2ish weeks after the end of the 1st CA invasion of Xetic, geminate then tribute was then conquered. after all regions were in tps control, the alliance split into 2. ganksta nation led by Huff tech and Fenix alliance took control of tribute, tps the rest. war insued and tps came out on top 2-3 weeks later, and tps gained tribute again. all 3 regions stayed under tps control during the GNW yet was under frequent assault from BOB. F-E corp members returned to the game and the corp was reformed. F-E corp and tps had a falling out shortly after the corp had reformed. war insued and F-E corp took over Tribute Vale and Geminate in less than 2 weeks, 2 noteworthy corps in geminate history stayed on F-E side during this: SSDC and Vogon Deconstruction Fleet. a few weeks later CA had fallen apart and split into 2, Xirt loyalists and Foyle loyalists. F-E invited foyle and the corps loyal to her up and thus formed Force of Evil. Force of Evil formed and thus started the slow decline into half of eve against us. to make it short, foe dec's xetic, mc dec's foe, celest apoc moves into obe, burn eden moves into vale, stain alliance move small contingent into fdz, foe dec's IRON, kia moves into obe, foe dec's PA, G and IMP dec foe, foe hire MC. at this time FOE cannot contend with such numbers and fighting non-stop for so long, Tribute is lost, and FOE disband. Splitting into 2 groups, F-E corp loyalists, GODS, CDI, SSDC, Vogon on one side and getting all the stations. F-E got vale and gem, GODS CDI tribute. on the other side Celtic Anarchy loyalists, notible corps Euphoria Released, Celtic Anarchy, Quam Singularity, they formed the Vale Alliance. they took the Vale stations over from F-E, and held them for less than 2 weeks. after many days of 23/7 camping of Vale by F-E & Co along with KIA. Vale alliance surrendered and Vale was once again under F-E corps control. F-E, GODS and CDI create F-E alliance, bringing once again all 3 regions under 1 flag. shortly after F-E corp disbands and many members once again leave the game. I cant comment on F-E alliance in depth as i wasnt playing the game, and the last 10ish months im not going to comment on cuz every side has thier own very differant story to what actually happened(and all very vocal about it).
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:22:00 - [19] Quote: Executive Outcomes defeated us in a pos Defence RK and Smash supported by Executive outcomes :P Work calls cant add any more at the minute.. kewl thread tho ! Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Hamertje Solar Wind Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:24:00 - [20] Yar, All I remember about Geminate is being podded by Zarthanon and a buddy of him because I raided "HIS" 6/10 complex . All the damn overseers survived btw :S. (wasn't this char btw) This was in 2004 or 2005, before the new gates were added so Geminate was kind of hard to reach and hardly populated. It wasn't really claimed by anyone afaik, but Zarthanon's corp lived there for a while. If you still remember Zarth, I still love ya, and you owe me a T2 fitted thron for that ;-)
Alustrious Caldari CRICE Corporation Vigilance.	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:28:00 - [21] Not to many people can tell you about that happened in the North that were actually there before what Fugazii explained. Crice Corporation entered the Vale allied with Space Invaders and Forsaken Empire in july of 2003 I beleive, two of the most feared pirate corps to be in game at the time. They pirated northern Forge and Lonetrek, later moving into the vale and close regions. I can't recall some of the others that joined us but we secured the area and i beleive we were the first organized force in the area. Its really been awhile haha... Alliances weren't even in game...
n00b alt1 Dark Glitter Inc	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Peoke yes the entire north wasnt here. local was only at 300 enemies 30+ dreads for 6 straight weeks. you had no razor or mm but you forgot to add astral wolves and cdc and pure and such. astral wolves involvements was minimal. In the huge raid when the north brought down 200 there was 1 wolf there. Pure involvement in geminate affairs was also minimal until CDC disbanded. so i dont know where smash is getting there intel seeing as you where the emperor at the time... and thats exactly my point... there where 300 enemies in local for an extended period and you never saw half of the north! Do I need to pull up killboard records? We killed at least 5 puppies after all our poses were reinforced one day, after you warped into your own bubble camp. E-r at their peak had 3 towers in system, not 6, and lost one (the third) only a few days after they put it up, then got bored with the thought of it dragging out and left. After that the incredibly inept esa moved back in and f-e/CI started to shoot them up. Pure. was involved fairly consistantly and flew along side CDC just like rk fly along with smash. Peoke's analysis is far more in line than yours, since you're just an ignorant forum smacktard. By your definition BoB isn't seeing the full north either. whats n00b alt1's place in this conflict? I was director of the op's corporation and my main is in an npc corp currently, and can't post here. Hence the alt.
Graalum Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:06:00 - [23] the SNU annihilation at the hands of CI is worthy of mention, and noone has mentioned TSA who lived in fdz for a while. Maybe the geminate lcoals versus F-E in late 05 early 06, but persh or someone from morsus would know more about that, since i was but a wee noob.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 02/05/2007 08:07:05 above is mine i dont want to derail this thread by responding to you in kind however i would advise you to look at Onchas Erivvia and Cartiff's posts. and no. BoB is seeing alot of the north if not all of it. the difference is they hold slightly more space than you did... and have far more allies. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Graalum Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:38:00 - [25] Edited by: Graalum on 02/05/2007 08:34:48 posted with alt below
n00b alt1 Dark Glitter Inc	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 02/05/2007 08:07:05 above is mine i dont want to derail this thread by responding to you in kind however i would advise you to look at Onchas Erivvia and Cartiff's posts. and no. BoB is seeing alot of the north if not all of it. the difference is they hold slightly more space than you did... and have far more allies. and unfortunately for you nothing they said confirms your continuing spewage. Perhaps they should add astral wolves to the wiki, alliance of noobie corps that rented space in geminate from cdc corps and never did much of anything except get ganked and spanked. Your pvp is limited to the forums.
SupaFlyTNT Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:42:00 - [27] /me shudders at the thought of the curse but gets distracted halfway through and starts chasing wasps round the office
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:53:00 - [28] Originally by: n00b alt1 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 02/05/2007 08:07:05 above is mine i dont want to derail this thread by responding to you in kind however i would advise you to look at Onchas Erivvia and Cartiff's posts. and no. BoB is seeing alot of the north if not all of it. the difference is they hold slightly more space than you did... and have far more allies. and unfortunately for you nothing they said confirms your continuing spewage. Perhaps they should add astral wolves to the wiki, alliance of noobie corps that rented space in geminate from cdc corps and never did much of anything except get ganked and spanked. Your pvp is limited to the forums. gloves come off... for this to come from you of all people i find hallerious! it was you who sat at a gate that you knew we where camping the other side of... and waited patiently for me to jump through and scram you... thorax vs ferox... i took you down to half shield which took me ages but i didnt complain... yawning in local you promptly jumped into our camp... GENIOUS PVPING! WHY DIDNT I THINK OF SUCH A SOUND MOVE? further your friends in smash are absolutly obsurd... well the ones i ran across anyway... the flew huggins that had 2 wcs on them... (at least) Also interesting to note is the several fleet battles that are noticably missing from the smash killboards. There where several battles where we absolutly mopped the floor with you guys and they where oddly missing from the killboards. further for a group of noobs who couldnt pvp for the life of us... we sure held our own against the brunt of RK SMASH and your pets for quite a while. simple fact is Astral Wolves never prided itself on pvp yet when we got our stuff together we didnt do too badly. its a great thing you dont have the r0adkill ticker anymore cos your mindless trolling is weak n00b. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:33:00 - [29] dont kid yourself astral wolves, your contribution in geminate is nothing more than a tenant mining alliance, and just because you fought a ferox in a thorax "this one time" doesnt make you guys pvp'rs. -- and zomg alustrious.
Amarria Lightwielder N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:52:00 - [30] Updated with an inside view of TBB yesterday. Should be accurate - -- Sound in EVE

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