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De Nile	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:10:00 - [1] I've seen a chart comparing the DPS of all 4 Dreads posted here a few times, but havn't been able to find it. A few friends are in a heated debate about which is better, Phoenix or Moros, but we suck at math and don't have any hard evidence to back up our arguments. Someone mind posting a link?
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:27:00 - [2] Pure dps whise? Moros with Ions and 3 mag stabs and t2 drones is the winner.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.02 07:58:00 - [3] I suggest you make the comparisons yourself. There are quite a few things to take into consideration. You should propably look at the shield ranges for pos shields in the ingame database to get a good grip on what ranges dreads operate. And remember that dreads can be bumped and bump quite far when they do so. So remember to keep some marginals for safety. Link to the dps calculation excel sheet ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 08:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Pure dps whise? Moros with Ions and 3 mag stabs and t2 drones is the winner. I don't think it's fair that the Moros outdamages the Phoenix in a pure dps comparison AND is able to kill smaller/faster ships with it's drones very well. Means the Phoenix sucks in each respekt (pure dps and the fact that it can't fight against smaller ships without painter/webber-support). You might say "who cares, dreads are only vs pos " ? Dreads can loose their support very fast to a doomsday device, and the ability to kill smaller ship (and with up to 250% damage-bonus on drones the Moros can do this quite well) might decide if the dread can leave or will stay tackeled etc. Even more important this will be for missions. I will still use the Phoenix because my skills are in Caldari BS and missiles, but in a fair comparison i must say the Moros is better for almost anything
Djerin Obsidian Exploration Services	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Pure dps whise? Moros with Ions and 3 mag stabs and t2 drones is the winner. I'd say a Nag with 4 weapons and 4-6 damagemods does more damage. Well at least according to numbers. It will have a crappy tank though.
Vmir Gallahasen Gallente Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:39:00 - [6] Quote: I don't think it's fair that the Moros outdamages the Phoenix in a pure dps comparison AND is able to kill smaller/faster ships with it's drones very well. Means the Phoenix sucks in each respekt (pure dps and the fact that it can't fight against smaller ships without painter/webber-support) Missile ships will always lose to a turret ship in terms of pure DPS, because you don't have to worry about silly tracking or optimal ranges. The phoenix is quite good at killing battleships with a little help, better than the moros in my opinion. It won't be able to deal with tacklers as well as a moros perhaps, but you get other advantages like switching damage types and having weapons that take no cap. Quote: Even more important this will be for missions. I don't know if I agree with this. If you weren't supposed to siege something in a mission, why would you use a mobile siege engine? Quote: Moros is better for almost anything The moros gets higher theoretical DPS and good anti-tackler ability. The phoenix has far more versatility and is better in most situations you would typically use a dread for. Personally, I'd take the phoenix
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Pure dps whise? Moros with Ions and 3 mag stabs and t2 drones is the winner. I don't think it's fair that the Moros outdamages the Phoenix in a pure dps comparison AND is able to kill smaller/faster ships with it's drones very well. Means the Phoenix sucks Then you truely understand nothing about this game. Step 1: Take a look at the range of XL blasters. Step 2: Understand that Dreads are immobile. Step 3: Notice that damagemods are lowslot modules. A blaster Moros has very very limited use, you'll mostly have to use railguns on it. XL rails on the other hand deal very poor damage and the rail-moros ends up at the bottom, dealing less DPS than the other 3 dreads. Further, you seriously can not fit 3 damagemods on a Moros. Then you're left with no tank at all really. On the Phoenix, you have much better possibilities of fitting damagemods. The Naglfar has the highest DPS of all dreads without damagemods - and that is very useful. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.05.02 11:21:00 - [8] don't ever whine about the phoenix, it's probably the single most effective dread to kill BS with (hint: get a corpm8 in a huginn)
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:19:00 - [9] Edited by: DubanFP on 02/05/2007 12:17:24 That chart was wrong. The program that made it thinks siege mods effect drone damage which i'm fairly certain it doesn't. The nalfgar would probebly win in that respect. Also don't underestimate the Phoenix, it has the ability to switch damage types depending on what kind of tower you'll be fighting. Then the Revelations can keep it's tank going forever "provided you don't get Nossed", and uses no amo making it good for extended PoS sieges. ______________________ [img] Interested?
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:37:00 - [10] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 02/05/2007 12:17:24 That chart was wrong. The program that made it thinks siege mods effect drone damage which i'm fairly certain it doesn't. The nalfgar would probebly win in that respect. Also don't underestimate the Phoenix, it has the ability to switch damage types depending on what kind of tower you'll be fighting. Then the Revelations can keep it's tank going forever "provided you don't get Nossed", and uses no amo making it good for extended PoS sieges. Ugh your right... I think it was a chart I took from Naughtyboy's DPS spreadsheets the OP reffers to, I kinda just assumed it was correct, being made by who it was, and the fact nobody else had mentioned it. I'm embarressed now... On turrets alone, it looks like the running order is: Naglfar (Autocannons) Moros (Blasters) Revelation (Pulses) Naglfar (Arty) Revelation (Beams) Phoenix Moros (Rails) Any more realistic? -----
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:45:00 - [11] Edited by: DubanFP on 02/05/2007 12:42:40 Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 02/05/2007 12:17:24 That chart was wrong. The program that made it thinks siege mods effect drone damage which i'm fairly certain it doesn't. The nalfgar would probebly win in that respect. Also don't underestimate the Phoenix, it has the ability to switch damage types depending on what kind of tower you'll be fighting. Then the Revelations can keep it's tank going forever "provided you don't get Nossed", and uses no amo making it good for extended PoS sieges. Ugh your right... I think it was a chart I took from Naughtyboy's DPS spreadsheets the OP reffers to, I kinda just assumed it was correct, being made by who it was, and the fact nobody else had mentioned it. I'm embarressed now... On turrets alone, it looks like the running order is: Naglfar (Autocannons) Moros (Blasters) Revelation (Pulses) Naglfar (Arty) Revelation (Beams) Phoenix Moros (Rails) Any more realistic? a bit better, but no one uses short range weapons for PoS sieges. Not only does it make you vulnerable to the PoS's short range weapons, but you have to target the control tower in the center of the bubble. Which means the tower could be a good 30km+ away from the end of the shield bubble where you can fire. So Basically your target it is outside your optimal range, less accuracy = less DPS. Without the short range weapons, and taking the fact that you can switch to the PoS's least resisted damage type Phoenix doesn't look so bad now does it? ______________________ [img] Interested?
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.02 12:55:00 - [12] Originally by: dalman Then you truely understand nothing about this game. ... Although the rest of your post had some valid points, it must be possible to express your oppinions without using sentences like this one. Only complete idiots with a small ***** do start their post with such sentences.
Howling Jinn Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.	Posted - 2007.05.02 13:12:00 - [13] hahaha whats happening?? first hes called an alt, now an idiot
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:00:00 - [14] Originally by: De Nile I've seen a chart comparing the DPS of all 4 Dreads posted here a few times, but havn't been able to find it. A few friends are in a heated debate about which is better, Phoenix or Moros, but we suck at math and don't have any hard evidence to back up our arguments. Someone mind posting a link? WHAT you are shooting plays a big role in determining which dread does more DPS. Remember a Moros cant use anything but sentry drones to shoot a POS, because the smaller drones cant attack from outside the bubble. Also, unless you have a really funky setup, you wont get into optimal range with siege blasters unless you use longer range (lower damage) ammo, especially against a large tower. And if you DO fit blasters, youre basically going to sit there defenseless against any defensive fleet that warps in more than 60k away from you, whereas a phoenix can still at least shoot back. So most Moros pilots will fit rails instead of blasters unless theres no resistance expected on a POS op. Now, when it comes to damage vs non capital/pos targets, Moros does have an edge over some other dreads because of the sick damage bonus on the drones. That also opens up some "out of the box" thinking possibilities, such as moros + drone links and sentry drones as a kind of anti sniper. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting

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