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Jessamine
Freedom United
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Posted - 2007.05.02 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jessamine on 02/05/2007 18:50:57
Edited by: Jessamine on 02/05/2007 18:42:45
Okay everyone has seen the billion raven threads, "Do this always" "Never do that!" But I decided to look at one of thoses 'nevers' and give it a shot.
For missioning I currently run:
3x Cruise II w/ Precision
4x Siege II w/ Javelin
Gist B XL
Gist B Amp
2x DG Invulns
1x T2 Hardener of Rat Primary
1x Best named painter (makes precision javelins tear through 'ceptors)
3x Domination BCUs
2x PDS II
3x CCC I Rigs
7x Hammerhead Is
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Now, as you can imagine, that setup does not run forever. Simply because the PDS do not recharge enough.
What I have found is that some minor changes it will permatank, but its kinda funky. Here's what I came up with:
Highs:
Same
Mids:
2x DG Invuln
Gist B XL
2x Gist B Amp
Best Named Painter
Lows:
3x Domination BCUs
2x Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relays
3x CCC Is
7x Hammerhead Is
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I still boost 850 every 4 seconds (current tank is 792 boost per 4 seconds), my only wonder is if the loss of that active hardener will be compensated by the fact that I never have to turn the booster off. I'm not worried abotu being Nossed by DBs so my fragile 52use/51 recharge should stay constant.
I know I oculd be even safer by switching back to all cruise and losing the painter for the hardener again but I like my killing speed.
Thoughts on this? It only requires Energy System Op V, Shield Comp IV and Energy Management IV
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Care Blind
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.05.02 18:51:00 -
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do you really need the painter? what about drones 
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.05.02 18:51:00 -
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i dont really understand which amps you mean, are they resistance or boost?
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Jessamine
Freedom United
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Posted - 2007.05.02 18:54:00 -
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My mistake, those are shield boost amps, the 2nd more than counteracts both CPRs.
Also I use drones but the skills are not so hot atm, despite what my signature would have you believe 
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.02 19:01:00 -
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I recently skipped my 3rd hardener too in order to have a perma tank (is quite nice if you do missions afk with f.0.f and don't have to care about your tank :)).
Gist x-type xl sb, Pith x-type sba, 2 dg invuls, 2 techII cap recharger, 2 pds II, CCC I, CCC II, (rigor rig as 3rd rig) gives you with same skills as you listed a 974.4 shield/4 sec tank which is running forever 
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Jessamine
Freedom United
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Posted - 2007.05.02 19:06:00 -
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And I only have to drop another bil into it!!
Yay?
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.02 20:25:00 -
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Gist B XL
2x Gist B Amp (can replace one with a painter/resist if you really care)
2x DG Invul
Cap Recharge II
3x BCS II
PDS II
Cap Flux Coil II
3x CCCI
1050 shield / 4s and it runs permanent with the skills you posted.
But using cap relays on a shield tank isn't that much of a taboo anymore. A double amp capital SB with relays works good... and its pretty standard.
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Kaptein Trefot
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Posted - 2007.05.02 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kaptein Trefot on 02/05/2007 20:23:34
You should be able to permatank it with gist b xl, a booster, 1 invuln, 2 rat specific and 1 cap recharger II with 2 PDUs in low.
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Losses01
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Posted - 2007.05.02 20:30:00 -
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If you want a permanent setup try this:
6 Siege launchers (DG or whatever)
Gist B-type XL Booster
Gist B Amp
2 DG Invuls
1 PWNAGE target painter
1 Cap Recharger II
3 BCU II (or Domination if you have them)
2 Cap Flux coil II <--- Very important
3 CCC I Rigs
With the Lvl 4 energy Systems op, lvl 4 energy management and lvl 3 shield comp, you produce 53.91 Cap/s and you only require 52.132 cap / Sec.
Best thing about this setup is you have killer damage and no gimping of your tank with cap relays.
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Talani Fynolds
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Posted - 2007.05.03 04:23:00 -
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Cap power relays increase cap recharge rate. For long term tanking you can equal cap recharge rate with tank and you could say, cap power relays increase your tank. That dark bloods increase the regeneration by 1/0,75 = 1,33. On the other hand, they weaken the tank because of it's penalty by 10%.
In total, they increase the tank by 1,33 * 0,9 = 1,2 or 20%.
If you neglect the passive shield recharge of the PDSs, they only increase your tank by 1,05 / 0,915 = 1,147 or 14,7%.
Thats why your second setup is better for long term tanking. The decision between a second boost amp and an additional hardener is a different story. But the fact that both are stacking nerfed and you already have 2 hardeners and only 1 boost amp favours the amp.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.03 06:50:00 -
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The penalty from using multiple CPR's is stacking penalized, meaning the second one will only give -8.7% to shield boost amount and the third -5.7%, so the more you use, the better they get, relatively.
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Tarnag Darsius
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Posted - 2007.05.03 07:25:00 -
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some highs go in here: shooty parts, usually cruise
fun bits: gist b-type xl booster, gist b-type amp, 2 x primary + 1 secondary damage gist a-type hardeners, 1 x cap charger II
lows of: 3 x bcu II, 2 x pdu II
3 x CCC rigs.
voila, perma-tank, the only really pricey thing is the booster.
warp in, hit shield booster, load FoFs, clicky fire... 
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.03 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jessamine
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For missioning I currently run:
3x Cruise II w/ Precision
4x Siege II w/ Javelin
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Since when the raven have 7 launchers?
If u are talking abount the faction raven, not the standard one u should specify that since it's a whole different ship....
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.03 09:42:00 -
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What I would do is spend your isk on a navy raven to get the 7th launcher and do
H: 7 Cruise II or DG Cruise or CN Cruise
M: 1 Gist B-Type XL, Amp, Cap Recharger II, 3 Hardners
L: 3 PDU II, 2 BCU II (or Officer/DG/CN BCU's)
Run forever, add in crystal set for more fun.
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.03 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
The penalty from using multiple CPR's is stacking penalized, meaning the second one will only give -8.7% to shield boost amount and the third -5.7%, so the more you use, the better they get, relatively.
Are you sure about this? It means that the fourth will only penalise by 2% and any more won't penalise at all. This has given me an interesting idea...
sgb
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.03 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: smallgreenblur
Originally by: Sokratesz
The penalty from using multiple CPR's is stacking penalized, meaning the second one will only give -8.7% to shield boost amount and the third -5.7%, so the more you use, the better they get, relatively.
Are you sure about this? It means that the fourth will only penalise by 2% and any more won't penalise at all. This has given me an interesting idea...
sgb
I have already thought about it as well - Twin Gixt-X XL boosters with a amp :)
But of course, I better run it through quickfit first to see if there is any point.
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Scordite
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Posted - 2007.05.03 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Twin Gixt-X XL boosters with a amp :)
But of course, I better run it through quickfit first to see if there is any point. To be honest, I think people are better off just adding a Crystal set insted.
You could do both. On a mael possibly. Crystal set powered, pith amp and ship bonus boosted dual gist-x xls. Of course, the ship wouldn't be able to do anything besides sit there and boost, but the raw hp/sec should exceed the very fastest passive setups.
Anyways, rather pointless
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.03 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Scordite
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Twin Gixt-X XL boosters with a amp :)
But of course, I better run it through quickfit first to see if there is any point. To be honest, I think people are better off just adding a Crystal set insted.
You could do both. On a mael possibly. Crystal set powered, pith amp and ship bonus boosted dual gist-x xls. Of course, the ship wouldn't be able to do anything besides sit there and boost, but the raw hp/sec should exceed the very fastest passive setups.
Anyways, rather pointless
Why would it not be able to fire its guns...
sgb
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Dragon Lord
Caldari
research inc
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Posted - 2007.05.03 12:27:00 -
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On My CNR i use a gist x xl a pith x boost amp and four faction hardeners, lows are 2 true sansha power relays and 3 bcus's. 2 ccc's and 1 t2 ccc in the rig slots, it boost 800hp per second and runs forever and u still have 4 slots for shield tanking or whatever u want, i use cruise so 4 hardeners for me. Can tank any mish with this no problem at all.
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Scordite
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Posted - 2007.05.03 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Scordite on 03/05/2007 13:06:30
Originally by: smallgreenblur
Why would it not be able to fire its guns...
2x gist x xl, 1x dg invul, 3x pith x amps, 3x cprII, 2x power diag II, 2x CCC II, 1x CCC I.. Enough cap to perma run the tank.. And 154 cpu left, not even enough to fit a full rack of dual 425mm ac..
What guns are you talking about exactly?
Edit: Just in case anyone is taking this too seriously, I'm not suggesting using a setup like that, but the idea is funny regardless.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.05.03 13:19:00 -
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Anyone using capacitor power relays on their active shield tanks should definitely switch them out for some T2 capacitor flux coils and see how they perform. The overall benefit to capacitor per second is 21.43%, while a T2 cap relay gives 31.58% but penalises your shield boost by a percentage.
Try it and see, you might be better off with them.
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Dragon Lord
Caldari
research inc
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:47:00 -
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Well i was using 2 t2 cap flux coils in the lows but to be able to run all 4 hardeners and the booster forever i had to fit a t2 cap recharger which ment no boost amp. So i was only getting the base boost for a gist x type which i think is 640hp every 4s. With this setup the pith x boost amp which increases my boost amount by 45% more than compensates for the boost amount penalty cap relays cause.
This may not be the case if yur using a normal boost amp.
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Jessamine
Freedom United
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Posted - 2007.05.03 17:43:00 -
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Couple things:
- Yes I mean a Navy Raven, the amount of launchers shoulda given that away
 - I will be using these 2 DG invulns on the setup, period.
- The painter has proven itself to be necessary, so the real midslot question is "amp or other hardener?"
- And are you serious about CFC IIs? That's amazing if you are...
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