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Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2011.12.28 22:57:00 - [1] - Quote Greetings fellow Goo-Floaters of EVE, HAG is supposed to be a fact at some point and lately there have been a few "buff the Barge" posts (something I gave up on saying a while ago)... The new BCs and DDs are out... and a good time should be had by all... SO!... what fits are out there for these new BCs and DDs for the Alpha Striking Ganking that is coming... I know the Thrasher is a big win for this event (people are heating up the BPO's and getting ready to mass produce that little ship) so lets see what the community has to work with. Post your HAGV fits for the community to see if you dare to expose that secret fitting... though I think they are always pretty cookie cutter... My fav so far is the All-Gank Thrasher (T2 all the way weaps and upgrades, and rigs all to projectiles and toss in a rocket launcher with rage for measure. Also the Naga seems to have a very nice alpha, with Neutron IIs... I heard that this ship can literally park between two hulks, split it's fire and blow up two hulks in one barrage. Would personally love to see some DD fits and then whatever as I think the DDs are going to be the gankship of choice for this event. ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero).
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 248	Posted - 2011.12.28 22:59:00 - [2] - Quote Um. Did you just say that a 100m isk frigate is going to be the gank ship of choice? I'd have expected void catalysts or something instead. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League 4	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:08:00 - [3] - Quote I'm not a participant in HAG, so I may not have all of the "facts" straight, but I thought the idea was to try and come out ahead on the ISK lost versus ISK destroyed? If so, I'd think a Naga would be a poor choice for this.
vorneus Hub2 17	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:20:00 - [4] - Quote Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: I'm not a participant in HAG, so I may not have all of the "facts" straight, but I thought the idea was to try and come out ahead on the ISK lost versus ISK destroyed? If so, I'd think a Naga would be a poor choice for this. And a pirate frigate, as Liang said, even poorer. -Ed
Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:38:00 - [5] - Quote o.O!!!! Frigate? er... Pirate... Frigate.... no I mean the Thrasher... the Minnie Destroyer... facepalms ... then double facepalms There are 4 Destoyers none of them cost 100M ISK... about 100K maybe.. not 100M... cough cough The Thrasher "Trasher" Fit is as follows: Thrasher - 200mm/Point Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II 200mm AutoCannon II w/ Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Rocket Launcher II w/ Firefox Rage Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Projectile Locus Coordinator I Small Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Volley: 785 DPS: 353 Speed: 1750 m/s 19m30s Capacitor 15.6M ISK per ...does this perhaps clear up things a tad? or do you need to drain and clean out the pod interior? Now on the ISK thing: Thrasher v. Hulk? Naga v. Orca? (even a Hulk or two, I heard you can solo two in one volley so that is about 100M v 400M for that orca or 250M for the Hulks That build: Naga Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Neutron Blaster Cannon II w/ Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Volley: 5136 DPS: 1114 Speed: 1386 m/s 2m5s Capacitor ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero).
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 248	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:39:00 - [6] - Quote Aurelius Valentius wrote: o.O!!!! Frigate? er... Pirate... Frigate.... no I mean the Thrasher... the Minnie Destroyer... facepalms ... then double facepalms There are 4 Destoyers none of them cost 100M ISK... about 100K maybe.. not 100M... cough cough The Thrasher "Trasher" Fit is as follows: Thrasher - 200mm/Point Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II 200mm AutoCannon II w/ Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Rocket Launcher II w/ Firefox Rage Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Projectile Locus Coordinator I Small Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Volley: 785 DPS: 353 Speed: 1750 m/s 19m30s Capacitor 15.6M ISK per ...does this perhaps clear up things a tad? or do you need to drain and clean out the pod interior? To the rest of the known universe, DD = DareDevil -Liang Ed: Also, Neutron / Void Catalyst. T1 scram. Use a blockade runner to get the warp ins (and scoop loot). Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance 18	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:44:00 - [7] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Aurelius Valentius wrote: o.O!!!! Frigate? er... Pirate... Frigate.... no I mean the Thrasher... the Minnie Destroyer... facepalms ... then double facepalms There are 4 Destoyers none of them cost 100M ISK... about 100K maybe.. not 100M... cough cough The Thrasher "Trasher" Fit is as follows: Thrasher - 200mm/Point Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II 200mm AutoCannon II w/ Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Rocket Launcher II w/ Firefox Rage Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Projectile Locus Coordinator I Small Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Volley: 785 DPS: 353 Speed: 1750 m/s 19m30s Capacitor 15.6M ISK per ...does this perhaps clear up things a tad? or do you need to drain and clean out the pod interior? To the rest of the known universe, DD = DareDevil -Liang Ed: Also, Neutron / Void Catalyst. T1 scram. Use a blockade runner to get the warp ins (and scoop loot). The people that use BB when talking about Battleships instead of BS also often use the naval term DD for talking about destroyers, not the most common slang in eve but it is not as unheard of as you all are making it out to be.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 248	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:48:00 - [8] - Quote Norris Packard wrote: The people that use BB when talking about Battleships instead of BS also often use the naval term DD for talking about destroyers, not the most common slang in eve but it is not as unheard of as you all are making it out to be. I've been whoring this forum for 5 years and I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a destroyer as a DD. Furthermore, it was about right considering the T2 fittings and expensive T2 fit BCs. Basically: its a trollpoast. -Liang Ed: I admit its possible that nobody has referred to the destroyer as a DD simply because there haven't been many threads about them. Even still, I can count the number of people that have gone all "BB" on me on one hand. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2011.12.28 23:54:00 - [9] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: [quote=Norris Packard] Basically: its a trollpoast. -Liang Ed: I admit its possible that nobody has referred to the destroyer as a DD simply because there haven't been many threads about them. Even still, I can count the number of people that have gone all "BB" on me on one hand. Yes there is definitely a troll here... ahem... DD, is a common term destroyers, and since I am a military vet I use military terms - deal with it. Laing you seem to have nothing to add to this post, yet you seem to like to troll it... was the last HAG a tearful experience for you? you fit the "uMad" type I think here that is "are you mad" for you if you are not up on your chat slang. ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero).
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 248	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:03:00 - [10] - Quote Aurelius Valentius wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: [quote=Norris Packard] Basically: its a trollpoast. -Liang Ed: I admit its possible that nobody has referred to the destroyer as a DD simply because there haven't been many threads about them. Even still, I can count the number of people that have gone all "BB" on me on one hand. Yes there is definitely a troll here... ahem... DD, is a common term destroyers, and since I am a military vet I use military terms - deal with it. Laing you seem to have nothing to add to this post, yet you seem to like to troll it... was the last HAG a tearful experience for you? you fit the "uMad" type I think here that is "are you mad" for you if you are not up on your chat slang. Really, I feel I had no choice but to assume you were a troll considering all the talk of T2 mods, Nagas, and the implied suggestion of using DDs for suicide ganking. I figured it was more likely that you were trolling than that you'd get everything so catastrophically wrong. But in case you're just a ******* moron, I suggest you use a blockade runner as your warp in and loot scooper, and T1 fit catalysts. -Liang PS: I mine in Amamake. Feel free to drop by and suicide gank me. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:06:00 - [11] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Aurelius Valentius wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: [quote=Norris Packard] Basically: its a trollpoast. -Liang Ed: I admit its possible that nobody has referred to the destroyer as a DD simply because there haven't been many threads about them. Even still, I can count the number of people that have gone all "BB" on me on one hand. Yes there is definitely a troll here... ahem... DD, is a common term destroyers, and since I am a military vet I use military terms - deal with it. Laing you seem to have nothing to add to this post, yet you seem to like to troll it... was the last HAG a tearful experience for you? you fit the "uMad" type I think here that is "are you mad" for you if you are not up on your chat slang. Really, I feel I had no choice but to assume you were a troll considering all the talk of T2 mods, Nagas, and the implied suggestion of using DDs for suicide ganking. I figured it was more likely that you were trolling than that you'd get everything so catastrophically wrong. But in case you're just a ***** moron, I suggest you use a blockade runner as your warp in and loot scooper, and T1 fit catalysts. -Liang PS: I mine in Amamake. Feel free to drop by and suicide gank me. Your kind of a aren't you??... oh well, some light reading for you: USN Ship Designations** Warships in the United States Navy were first designated and numbered in system originating in 1895. Under this system, ships were designated as "Battleship X", "Cruiser X", "Destroyer X", "Torpedo Boat X" and so forth where X was the series hull number as authorized by the US Congress. These designations were usually abbreviated as "B-1", "C-1", "D-1", "TB-1," etc. This system became cumbersome by 1920, as many new ship types had been developed during World War I that needed new categories assigned, especially in the Auxiliary ship area. On 17 July 1920, the designation system was revised so that all ships were now designated with a two letter code and a hull number, with the first letter being the ship type and the second letter being the sub-type. For example, the destroyer tender USS Melville, first commissioned as "Destroyer Tender No. 2" in 1915, was now re-designated as "AD-2" with the "A" standing for Auxiliary, the "D" for Destroyer (Tender) and the "2" meaning the second ship in that series. Ship types that did not have a subclassification simply repeated the first letter. So, Battleships became "BB-X" and Destroyers became "DD-X" with X being the same number as previously assigned. Ships that changed classifications were given new hull numbers within their new designation series. The designation "USS" standing for "United States Ship" was adopted in 1907. Prior to that time, no designation was used in official documents. It should be noted that in the United States Navy, unlike European Navies, the first ship in a class to be authorized by the US Congress is the designated class leader (class name ship), regardless of the order in which the ships of that class are laid down, launched or commissioned. For example, contrary to many European texts, for the last class of "Standard" battleships, the battleship USS Colorado BB-45 (commissioned 30 August 1923) is the class leader under USN designation standards, not USS Maryland BB-46 (commissioned 21 July 1921). These battleships are thus properly designated as being "USS Colorado BB-45 Class" and not as "USS Maryland BB-46 Class." This list includes current US Ship designations - US Navy, Coast Guard, and Army. Designations in italics are no longer carried by active ships, but are commonly seen nonetheless. Prefixes USS = United States Ship (Naval vessel manned by military personnel) USNS = United States Naval Ship (Vessel manned by civilian crew) USCGC = United States Coast Guard Cutter MTS = Moored Training Ship (ex SSBNs converted to training hulks) Non self propelled craft are marked with an asterisk (*) Warships CVN Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier CV Aircraft Carrier CGN Nuclear Power Guided Missile Cruiser CG Guided Missile Cruiser DDG Guided Missile Destroyer DD Destroyer FFG Guided Missile Frigate FF Frigate SSBN Nuclear Powered Ballistic Missile Submarine SSN Nuclear Powered Submarine ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero).
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 248	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:11:00 - [12] - Quote Aurelius Valentius wrote: Your kind of a **** aren't you??... oh well, some light reading for you: This is Eve Online, not the US Navy. As such, its ~~generally~~ overwhelmingly accepted that "BB" refers to the "Black Bird" and "DD" refers to the "Daredevil" and so on and so forth. Basically: you said something you didn't mean to say and it made your entire post sound like a massive troll. Which it probably was given your follow up shiptoasts. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:16:00 - [13] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Aurelius Valentius wrote: Your kind of a **** aren't you??... oh well, some light reading for you: This is Eve Online, not the US Navy. As such, its ~~generally~~ overwhelmingly accepted that "BB" refers to the "Black Bird" and "DD" refers to the "Daredevil" and so on and so forth. Basically: you said something you didn't mean to say and it made your entire post sound like a massive troll. Which it probably was given your follow up shiptoasts. -Liang I think the problem is you cannot read english... and you assume (yes you did make and ass of yourself there) that DD was a daredevil to all, but not so... DD often is Destroyer in my part of EVE and DareDevil is DareDevil, you assume too much clearly. Also where I come from BS = Bull ****, which is what you are slinging...and bucket loads of it. If you don't like the post, you obviously felt the need to post and put in the time for it, so obviously you took the time to put in to this trolling of my thread. So it's on you, not one is forcing you to post here and so it's pretty obvious who is putting in the crap on this thread. learn to read, then learn to think, then try typing in that order, then re-read what you read and what you wrote and maybe, just maybe you can not stick your foot in it. "better to keep slient and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and confirm the fact" - A. Lincoln. ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero).
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 248	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:24:00 - [14] - Quote Aurelius Valentius wrote: I think the problem is you cannot read english... and you assume (yes you did make and ass of yourself there) that DD was a daredevil to all, but not so... DD often is Destroyer in my part of EVE and DareDevil is DareDevil, you assume too much clearly. Also where I come from BS = Bull ***, which is what you are slinging...and bucket loads of it. If you don't like the post, you obviously felt the need to post and put in the time for it, so obviously you took the time to put in to this trolling of my thread. So it's on you, not one is forcing you to post here and so it's pretty obvious who is putting in the crap on this thread. learn to read, then learn to think, then try typing in that order, then re-read what you read and what you wrote and maybe, just maybe you can not stick your foot in it. "better to keep slient and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and confirm the fact" - A. Lincoln. More Shiptoasting! Awesome! So you come into the thread and seemingly forget that concord no longer pays insurance, then you suggest T2 fits, and then get all pissy when multiple people* think you are discussing suicide ganking in a daredevil. Hell man - given the gaffes in your OP I had no choice but to assume you were the biggest moron on the interwebz or a massive carebear troll. -Liang Ed: Also, I've given you SOLID advise for how to go about your quest for suicide ganking. Meanwhile, you keep on shiptoasting... Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liam Mirren 66	Posted - 2011.12.29 00:40:00 - [15] - Quote We don't give two *** about your military nomenclature, this is EVE... not the Navy. We also don't care what you do or have done outside EVE as it has zero impact on what you do here, in fact if your behaviour and thick headedness is any indication I'd say you're pretty much an idiot IRL as well. DD in EVE stands for either DoomsDay or, in this obvious case, DareDevil. Your understanding of the subject you chose for this thread is below par at best and you choose to ** it up even more by trying to save ego by being belligerent and annoying. Stop posting as it makes you look more stupid every time you do it. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Written Word Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 181	Posted - 2011.12.29 01:12:00 - [16] - Quote Seeing that the E-Uni refers to all DPS ships as DD and the guy has a link to something Eve University Good chance he's not talking about Daredevils.
Zarnak Wulf Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2011.12.29 01:16:00 - [17] - Quote HAG V?!? Came expecting a discussion of my ex-wife. Left confused.
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League 4	Posted - 2011.12.29 01:16:00 - [18] - Quote I've never seen "DD" used in reference to a destroyer in EVE Online[/it]; the slang term I've seen most often is "dessie." I'm also used to "BB" being a reference to the Blackbird, [i]in EVE Online context. As to the 100M Naga vs 250M Orca, that still seems a waste of a T3 BC hull. Can't an arty gank cane do it for less? (This is an honest question, not intended to be a troll.)
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance 19	Posted - 2011.12.29 04:54:00 - [19] - Quote Aurelius Valentius wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Aurelius Valentius wrote: Your kind of a **** aren't you??... oh well, some light reading for you: This is Eve Online, not the US Navy. As such, its ~~generally~~ overwhelmingly accepted that "BB" refers to the "Black Bird" and "DD" refers to the "Daredevil" and so on and so forth. Basically: you said something you didn't mean to say and it made your entire post sound like a massive troll. Which it probably was given your follow up shiptoasts. -Liang I think the problem is you cannot read english... and you assume (yes you did make and ass of yourself there) that DD was a daredevil to all, but not so... DD often is Destroyer in my part of EVE and DareDevil is DareDevil, you assume too much clearly. Also where I come from BS = Bull ****, which is what you are slinging...and bucket loads of it. If you don't like the post, you obviously felt the need to post and put in the time for it, so obviously you took the time to put in to this trolling of my thread. So it's on you, not one is forcing you to post here and so it's pretty obvious who is putting in the crap on this thread. learn to read, then learn to think, then try typing in that order, then re-read what you read and what you wrote and maybe, just maybe you can not stick your foot in it. "better to keep slient and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and confirm the fact" - A. Lincoln. Aurelius, it is great that you know proper naval designations, but this is a game that has its own set of slang and jargon. It would be good for you to learn the eve terms to avoid confusion in the future and not attack the people who misunderstand you for your improper use of game terminology. Everyone else try to be forgiving and move on from this. I am with Liang about use of tech2 mods for suicide ships but with a recovery ship about half of the mods will be recoverable so it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Alara IonStorm 784	Posted - 2011.12.29 05:21:00 - [20] - Quote I name my Destroyers DD-101 then increase the number as I buy more. DD-102 ECT. Battleships are BB-101, Frigates are FF-101. I even use some of my own not following the Navy Rank like Battlecruisers are HC-101 or Heavy Cruiser. You know what I think when someone writes DD or BB in chat or on the forums. Daredevil / Doomsday and Blackbird. They are the General excepted EVE Terms period. If you have found some EVE Subculture that thinks differently great for you don't expect the public to understand it when you post on a general EVE Forum. Dessie is the correct EVE Slang for a Destroyer.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 66	Posted - 2011.12.29 06:17:00 - [21] - Quote Aurelius Valentius wrote: [Typical Ami jingo-sperg...] You're not in the US navy here, you're in EVE. No-one else in EVE who isn't in the USN and doesn't have the amurikkan flag wrapped around their eyes gives a ****. Next! "Look, you know that we live on a globe, right? And that there are countries on that globe other than the USA and UK?" (Paraphrase, misremember the original source) I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.)
Philip Flatline Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.12.29 07:27:00 - [22] - Quote DD means Damage Dealer mkay?
Bleach andVomit Avant-Garde Monastery Cascade Probable 2	Posted - 2011.12.29 08:12:00 - [23] - Quote Wow, you guys are #$@% &^*% suckers. Jack off to someone messing up an acronym because they don't play eve or browse the forums 20 hours a day. Liang, you used to be informative to read circa 2006, however, as of late all you do Is argue semantics to the point of obscurity. Hope you disappear again as very few like you. Basically, spread your taint elsewhere, it's getting old!
Baneken Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate 29	Posted - 2011.12.29 09:09:00 - [24] - Quote I'm still wondering what is HAG V ? edit: Highly Aggravated G.I. Veteran ?
Liang Nuren Heretic Army 254	Posted - 2011.12.29 09:19:00 - [25] - Quote Baneken wrote: I'm still wondering what is HAG V ? edit: Highly Aggravated G.I. Veteran ? Hulkageddon 5, I think. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Mona X Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition. 9	Posted - 2011.12.29 10:23:00 - [26] - Quote So, Armageddon would be AAG? I need new signature.
March rabbit Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx 57	Posted - 2011.12.29 10:36:00 - [27] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: To the rest of the known universe, DD = DareDevil some strange people (yea, they are very strange creatures) living in 0.0 and using fleets use DD for D(amage) D(ealer).... once i have heard about DD = Doom Device. You never heard this word. It is only used with Titans... Some people even dare to say they saw those ships
Liam Mirren 68	Posted - 2011.12.29 15:42:00 - [28] - Quote Bleach andVomit wrote: Wow, you guys are #$@% &^*% suckers. Jack off to someone messing up an acronym because they don't play eve or browse the forums 20 hours a day. Liang, you used to be informative to read circa 2006, however, as of late all you do Is argue semantics to the point of obscurity. Hope you disappear again as very few like you. Basically, spread your taint elsewhere, it's getting old! Normally I'd say that yes, we don't have to be Aholes when someone makes a mistake. Thing is, you probably should read the OP's belligerent, "I know better than you" replies. OP fully deserves anything that's thrown at him. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Consequence Zero Non Affiliation 0	Posted - 2011.12.30 01:38:00 - [29] - Quote As a semi permanant Retail working basement dweller I got confused to. Everyone I know obviously knows DD is a shoe width and POS must stand for Point of Sale. And for the BB, we all know it as "Big Bertha" the huge meal we get at the local grub joint. Since this is Eve Online i have no ends of confusion as why Everyone else thinks these simple abreviations mean things different in Eve Online. Everyone must look at it my way
Julia Connor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 15	Posted - 2011.12.30 02:14:00 - [30] - Quote Hahahaha, 'HAG V"

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