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Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1437	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:08:28 - [1] - Quote Quote: NEW CALDARI - The Chief Executive Panel has sent a shockwave through the political landscape of New Eden this morning, after ordering the closure of all State Embassies and consulates with in the Gallente Federation. The mandate, which was issued just moments ago, demands the immediate cessation of all diplomatic engagements with representatives from the Federal Government along with the immediate return of all State ambassadors and emissaries operating within Federal border to New Caldari Prime for debrief. In addition to this, passage of all Gallente non-capsuleer traffic across the Caldari-Gallente border has been suspended by Caldari Customs, and the Chief Executive Panel has warned Caldari corporations currently engaged in business with Gallente registered organizations that no non-capsuleer traffic will be permitted to cross the border into the State, regardless of any pre-approved customs and immigration documentation. Reports indicate that the vote to enact the mandate was strongly contested in the Chief Executive Panel's boardroom, with Wiyrkomi, Ishukone and Hyasyoda reacting angrily to the proposal and immediately voting against it. Kaalakiota, Sukuuvestaa, Lai Dai and CBD are all believed to have immediately voted to pass the mandate into law. The final vote was cast by Nugoeihuvi after a heated debate with both Mens Reppola and Kuruta Irio, Chief Executives of Ishukone and Wiyrkomi respectively. The outcome saw Nugoeihuvi siding with the supporting group, consisting of traditionally patriot and practical bloc megacorporations. Ironically, the move comes on the fourth anniversary of Operation: Highlander, which occurred in YC115 and saw the largest military engagement between the State and Federation since the end of the Caldari-Gallente war in YC12. While all Caldari megacorporations who have assets and operations within Federal border have their own diplomatic staff and are responsible for their own foreign affairs on a corporate level, this mandate by the CEP effectively cuts off diplomatic ties between the Federal and State governments. It is expected that diplomats from Ishukone, Wiyrkomi and Hyasyoda will remain within Federal borders, however Kaalakiota, Sukuuvestaa, Lai Dai, CBD, Echelon Entertainment, Nugoeihuvi, Propel Dynamics, Top Down, Ytiri, Caldari Steel and Caldari Constructions have all confirmed that they will recall diplomats, but continue operations for as long as the mandate remains in place. In the last hour the Ishukone Corporation has confirmed its commitment to remain on Caldari Prime, which lies within Federal borders, and will maintain its presence there along with newly re-established efforts from Wiyrkomi and Hyasyoda. The Federal administration has declined to comment on the confirmation of the mandate, with thousands of private transports, industrial vessels and commercial starships registered in the Federation already being turned back from crossing the border into the State. Original article here.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1437	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:09:20 - [2] - Quote But it's not like they're throwing all their toys out of the pram or anything.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1820	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:14:23 - [3] - Quote Well, this is an interestig turn of events....
Yuwei Sung Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:17:14 - [4] - Quote My, this is becoming quite a bit more serious than I expected. First thought: Ishukone's intentions or not, if this move holds, I can't imagine the Senate will continue to accept the joint administration of Caldari Prime.
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1587	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:21:19 - [5] - Quote Interesting does not even begin to describe this kind of diplomatic event. One does not simply recall all one's ambassadors over unsubstantiated rumors. Something has happened. No one has mentioned the "alleged FIO report" yet. If it turns out that the FIO paid off this Ohman Kasaras to bring them samples of the Kyonoke virus, which later escaped his custody, the repurcussions will be severe. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Avio Yaken Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2282	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:43:45 - [6] - Quote This to me sounds like one more step to glorious full scale conflict! Its a damn **** tease that for the longest the Empires have been fighting a war though Capsuleers. Lets have the armies of warriors of the State and Federation duke it out! Lets see which nation deserves victory in honorable combat! Also my statements here are not official comments of the Akagi Initiative. Thus should not reflect on them. (.___________________________________________.)/
Sheyan Mazaki Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:47:09 - [7] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Interesting does not even begin to describe this kind of diplomatic event. One does not simply recall all one's ambassadors over unsubstantiated rumors. Something has happened. No one has mentioned the "alleged FIO report" yet. If it turns out that the FIO paid off this Ohman Kasaras to bring them samples of the Kyonoke virus, which later escaped his custody, the repurcussions will be severe. This is an interesting theory and one I think bears some looking into.
Graelyn Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 937	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:51:21 - [8] - Quote Pilot Soldarius' theory would fit. Not much else comes to mind that would. Cardinal Graelyn Imperial Liaison, I-RED Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1440	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:54:43 - [9] - Quote The theory would fit... except it's too simple. I don't think anyone involved would mess something like that up in that kind of way. Yes yes, I'm paranoid and so on and so forth, but I can practically taste the smell of some as of yet unknown fifth party trying to create trouble in our respective nations.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9396	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:01:40 - [10] - Quote I doubt the outbreak is a product of a state actor. As to the rest of this, it's just so senseless. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Graelyn Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 939	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:04:08 - [11] - Quote By the by, if anyone is in melee range of Diana Kim's typing fingers, and wouldn't mind smashing them with a hammer, now might be an ideal time. Cardinal Graelyn Imperial Liaison, I-RED Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2330	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:06:44 - [12] - Quote It that all the progress toward peace we made I see circling the drain? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Agiri Falken Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 286	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:08:06 - [13] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: The theory would fit... except it's too simple. I don't think anyone involved would mess something like that up in that kind of way. Yes yes, I'm paranoid and so on and so forth, but I can practically taste the smell of some as of yet unknown fifth party trying to create trouble in our respective nations. Could be either, or. But, for the moment, I'm willing to believe the Gallente haven't gone brain dead. Which leaves the fifth party option. Facts. I'll wait on those. But I'm not holding my breath.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2332	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:15:42 - [14] - Quote Agiri Falken wrote: But, for the moment, I'm willing to believe the Gallente haven't gone brain dead. Well, if the Black Eagles are involved....... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Lauralite Anne Brezia Wolf Brothers INC United Neopian Federation 4	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:17:13 - [15] - Quote Hm. this could trigger some interesting happenings. You want to know where I'm from huh? Well, it's a long way, and several Spacial Rifts removed, from this place.
Agiri Falken Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 286	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:31:08 - [16] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Agiri Falken wrote: But, for the moment, I'm willing to believe the Gallente haven't gone brain dead. Well, if the Black Eagles are involved....... ...Good point.
Aradina Varren Alexylva Paradox 109	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:32:50 - [17] - Quote The CEP doesn't want open war with the Federation, despite what people seem to think, they're smarter than that. They know the consequences of their actions and it was clearly hotly debated. Whatever their reasons are, I imagine they're good ones. If the Kasaras family are paid off, it was a long term investment. Feels Pretty Soft to Me.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1979	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:52:38 - [18] - Quote CEP is losing it, it can't be that simple there has to be more in the backstage. Akrasjel Lanate Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Ria NieyIi 1094	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:53:23 - [19] - Quote Oh brother, interesting tomes ahead.
Evi Polevhia True Slave Foundations Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 1311	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:56:22 - [20] - Quote Ria NieyIi wrote: Oh brother, interesting tomes ahead. Now is not the time to talk about peculiar libraries.

Charles Cambridge Schmidt The Scope Gallente Federation 401	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:58:31 - [21] - Quote I'd be smug and smirk and be like, "Well, looks like you (with reference to the frumpier Stately types) got what you were looking for!" and then say, "Guess that report is just unsubstantiated, huh?" but at the same time, I won't, because I can't. How many people is this going to ** over? How many businesses are going to crash and burn, now? How many Federal citizens are going to sit with their thumbs up their asses and let this confirm ** prejudice and do dumb ** to Caldari within borders? And not only that, but holy hell, how many Caldari that aren't able to go to the State will be abandoned by their brothers? And I know that traffic is blocked to Gallente, yes, but for anyone with experience in bureaucracy, you know it's not that simple. Even for someone with State ties, if they've been in the Federation for long enough? Yeah, fat chance. What a mess. What an idiotic mess. I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1979	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:00:55 - [22] - Quote That "alleged report", "which has no credited author or details of intended recipient" should/could not have caused this. Akrasjel Lanate Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Elsebeth Rhiannon Icecream Audit Office Electus Matari 758	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:01:58 - [23] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Interesting does not even begin to describe this kind of diplomatic event. One does not simply recall all one's ambassadors over unsubstantiated rumors. Something has happened. This. And that something is extremely likely to relate to the Kyonoke incidents. It would be lovely to get a situation report from the Republic Security Service. Because if things are going seriously south on this, it will affect us too. Let the bridges we burn light the way.
TomHorn Dragonaurs 294	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:04:02 - [24] - Quote CEP , is stepping back from fours years of Ishukone direction and co-operation with the Federation. Been disaster If the word comes from the top , we are ready to move , retake the remaining Gallente zones on home. Horn & Bros through our charity the breakfast for children program , has been able to smuggle in guns and ammunition into the hands of many patriots. I have been in contact with those inside the Gallente zones , we are ready to go!
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 2418	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:10:26 - [25] - Quote TomHorn wrote: CEP , is stepping back from fours years of Ishukone direction and co-operation with the Federation. Been disaster If the word comes from the top , we are ready to move , retake the remaining Gallente zones on home. Horn & Bros through our charity the breakfast for children program , has been able to smuggle in guns and ammunition into the hands of many patriots. I have been in contact with those inside the Gallente zones , we are ready to go! Says the cheap terrorist... It's good that you finally admitted that your so-called charity work was actually just a front for arms smuggling, though. Duplicity thy name is Templis Dragonaur. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Persephone Alleile Tartarus Covert Operations 343	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:22:20 - [26] - Quote Wouldn't want to be on Caldari Prime these days.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7274	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:23:16 - [27] - Quote Persephone Alleile wrote: Wouldn't want to be on Caldari Prime these days. Yes. It's a mite uncomfortable. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arline Kley PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 665	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:24:57 - [28] - Quote Graelyn wrote: By the by, if anyone is in melee range of Diana Kim's typing fingers, and wouldn't mind smashing them with a hammer, now might be an ideal time. I wouldn't mind reading what Diana Kim thinks on this subject: I do hope that her views are fair and balanced, and use the journalistic standards that we all know that she holds dear to her heart. I did overhear one of my crew members, a Brutor, saying during events of this sort of nature: "Verily, the current set of circumstances is going to elicit a positiveness upon me." I think I need to review that crewman intake of Quafe. "For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
TomHorn Dragonaurs 294	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:28:12 - [29] - Quote These kind of announcements , always cause alot of fervor , between Caldari and Gallente citizens. Especially on home, even more so in the remaining Gallente zones. Caldari communities inside the Gallente zones are armed. We got enough ammunition and arms to retake control. If you come into to our communities looking for trouble , your going get your head blown off. We want the go ahead from the CEP to act , retake rest of home.
Skyweir Kinnison The Scope Gallente Federation 425	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:33:34 - [30] - Quote For a people that appear to pride themselves on their stoicism, the Caldari really do know how to throw a spectacular hissy fit. Darlings, please. Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Corraidhin Farsaidh Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate 2120	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:51:44 - [31] - Quote Arline Kley wrote: ... I wouldn't mind reading what Diana Kim thinks on this subject: ... She's busy reviewing every holoreel on 'Gallente mating rites' that she can find just to make sure they are all as depraved as each other.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7278	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:58:24 - [32] - Quote TomHorn wrote: These kind of announcements , always cause alot of fervor , between Caldari and Gallente citizens. Especially on home, even more so in the remaining Gallente zones. Caldari communities inside the Gallente zones are armed. We got enough ammunition and arms to retake control. If you come into to our communities looking for trouble , your going get your head blown off. We want the go ahead from the CEP to act , retake rest of home. We should talk. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1938	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:10:36 - [33] - Quote I swear, if a full-scale galactic war is going to be caused by some unknown idiots with a really bad cold and not our eons-long blood feud with the Minmatar, I'm going to be very disappointed. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Charles Cambridge Schmidt The Scope Gallente Federation 401	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:12:15 - [34] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I swear, if a full-scale galactic war is going to be caused by some unknown idiots with a really bad cold and not our eons-long blood feud with the Minmatar, I'm going to be very disappointed. Hoped to be at the helm of the flagship instead of the second wave? I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Icecream Audit Office Electus Matari 762	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:13:05 - [35] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I swear, if a full-scale galactic war is going to be caused by some unknown idiots with a really bad cold and not our eons-long blood feud with the Minmatar, I'm going to be very disappointed. I'd like to have it noted that I did not say that. Let the bridges we burn light the way.
Malthus Aurelius Frontier Endeavors 31	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:14:10 - [36] - Quote I ain't the brightest, but I did learn one thing...These idiots NEVER put in stipulations regarding jump clones. Sure, I can't ship my rocks half as far as other folk now, but hey, at least I can still get home if I need to.
Utari Onzo Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1624	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:38:14 - [37] - Quote But... You can ship your rocks given it doesn't affect Capsuleer traffic... "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 929	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:47:35 - [38] - Quote Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote: Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I swear, if a full-scale galactic war is going to be caused by some unknown idiots with a really bad cold and not our eons-long blood feud with the Minmatar, I'm going to be very disappointed. Hoped to be at the helm of the flagship instead of the second wave? He shoulda' put in more effort into making that happen then.... I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1091	Posted - 2017.03.22 19:10:28 - [39] - Quote Well, this is a delightful turn of events. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 109	Posted - 2017.03.22 19:19:34 - [40] - Quote Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Soldarius wrote: Interesting does not even begin to describe this kind of diplomatic event. One does not simply recall all one's ambassadors over unsubstantiated rumors. Something has happened. This. And that something is extremely likely to relate to the Kyonoke incidents. It would be lovely to get a situation report from the Republic Security Service. Because if things are going seriously south on this, it will affect us too. Every sovereign territory of Empire, Federation, Republic and State have been affected by Kyonoke. It started in the Republic and ended in the Federation. I am wonder where the SoCT sits on this entire state of affairs since it appears they are not the only ones affected by these turns of events. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*

Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 843	Posted - 2017.03.22 19:40:35 - [41] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: I doubt the outbreak is a product of a state actor. As to the rest of this, it's just so senseless. The report seems to point to inter-megacorp action no? Quote: . . . highlights what are believed to be a number of inconsistencies in Caldari Navy and Home Guard records, including irregularities in weapons and equipment inventory at the Kyonoke Pit's security cordon around the time frame that the breach by Ohmon Kasaras is believed to have occurred. Additionally, the unverified report gives alleged details of Jaron Kasaras' financial history since YC110, with particular focus on his tenure at Kaalakiota whilst former State Executor Tibus Heth served as the corporation's Chief Executive. It also includes detailed evidence that indicates Kasaras, serving at the time as a weapons research and development manager, may have been skimming from budget allocated to his division into an unidentified slush fund account operated by Intaki Bank . . . The Intaki Bank does point to Federal hands but it could also have been used to launder money in an inter-megacorp war over control of this speck perhaps. The waters are too muddy to tell but the definitive action that harms half the State's megas as well as the recent argument could point to intercorporate espionage gone wrong as well as it points to international I think. Closing the border seems to be an act of war against some megacorps and not as much as one towards the Federation like before. As strength goes.
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic 27	Posted - 2017.03.22 19:43:19 - [42] - Quote Thankfully capsuleer traffic hasn't been impeded by this... I'll watch this cautiously. Quite a time to come back from planetside life...
Persephone Alleile Tartarus Covert Operations 347	Posted - 2017.03.22 20:15:06 - [43] - Quote Ayallah wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: I doubt the outbreak is a product of a state actor. As to the rest of this, it's just so senseless. The report seems to point to inter-megacorp action no? Quote: . . . highlights what are believed to be a number of inconsistencies in Caldari Navy and Home Guard records, including irregularities in weapons and equipment inventory at the Kyonoke Pit's security cordon around the time frame that the breach by Ohmon Kasaras is believed to have occurred. Additionally, the unverified report gives alleged details of Jaron Kasaras' financial history since YC110, with particular focus on his tenure at Kaalakiota whilst former State Executor Tibus Heth served as the corporation's Chief Executive. It also includes detailed evidence that indicates Kasaras, serving at the time as a weapons research and development manager, may have been skimming from budget allocated to his division into an unidentified slush fund account operated by Intaki Bank . . . The Intaki Bank does point to Federal hands but it could also have been used to launder money in an inter-megacorp war over control of this speck perhaps. The waters are too muddy to tell but the definitive action that harms half the State's megas as well as the recent argument could point to intercorporate espionage gone wrong as well as it points to international I think. Closing the border seems to be an act of war against some megacorps and not as much as one towards the Federation like before. Intaki Bank has no ties to the Federation, it's operated independently in Intaki Syndicate space and is politically neutral. This whole situation seems like some kind of dance between the FIO and the patriot faction in the CEP. The FIO (we can assume) is feeding anonymous reports to the CEP and watching them go berserk. Obviously something is afoot here. It looks like Kasaras was deep in someone's pockets, and it is fishy that the CEP voted against launching their own investigation . . . but who has anything to gain from all this?
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 843	Posted - 2017.03.22 20:22:29 - [44] - Quote Too many people which I think is why it is so difficult to untangle this all. As strength goes.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2984	Posted - 2017.03.22 22:23:23 - [45] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I swear, if a full-scale galactic war is going to be caused by some unknown idiots with a really bad cold and not our eons-long blood feud with the Minmatar, I'm going to be very disappointed. Well, hopefully the Empress and Sanmatar can come together to prevail on the CEP and Senate to avoid that outcome. If they can't, though, I say every Amarr and Matari capsuleer in the cluster should show up when the shooting starts and blow both sides straight to hel for being such morons and letting the terrorists play them like this.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3112	Posted - 2017.03.23 00:19:57 - [46] - Quote F I N A L L Y. Glory to the State! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2990	Posted - 2017.03.23 00:22:36 - [47] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: F I N A L L Y. Glory to the State! Yes, the Caldari State has finally decided to kick themselves in the wallet by cutting themselves off from their nearest, largest commercial market with the lowest transportation costs!
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7289	Posted - 2017.03.23 00:37:50 - [48] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Diana Kim wrote: F I N A L L Y. Glory to the State! Yes, the Caldari State has finally decided to kick themselves in the wallet by cutting themselves off from their nearest, largest commercial market with the lowest transportation costs! It's naive to suggest that the State decided to do this unilaterally because a couple of loudmouth Senators were posturing. Quitting the talks? Sure - that was posturing too, but this? For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2991	Posted - 2017.03.23 01:27:11 - [49] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It's naive to suggest that the State decided to do this unilaterally because a couple of loudmouth Senators were posturing. Quitting the talks? Sure - that was posturing too, but this? I've ascribed no motives. If I had to, I'd say the motive is the obvious one: fear. This sort of reactionary knee-jerk is the action of cowards who fear the bio-terror attacks only slightly more than they fear someone accusing them of doing nothing about them.
Lord Kailethre Oruze Cruise White Stag Exit Bag 452	Posted - 2017.03.23 01:31:23 - [50] - Quote Don't expect to be financially bailed out when this goes **** up on you, like last time.

Bataav Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 368	Posted - 2017.03.23 01:49:36 - [51] - Quote We are currently seeking clarification from the Intaki Assembly with regards to the "Shipping and Security" franchise within the Intaki system. We are confident that Mordu's Legion, as security contractors independent of the CEP, remain largely unaffected. However, the limitations now imposed upon Ishukone risk having a profound impact on system-wide commerce. It is our hope that what limited autonomy exists for the Intaki Assemly, making the Intaki contract possible, provides enough separation from the Federation proper to allow Ishukone to continue operating as before. We believe this latest sitation supports the call for greater autonomy for the Assembly, which would insulate Intaki from the results of future disputes between Federation and State. Bataav Mahesha \| Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1559	Posted - 2017.03.23 02:49:36 - [52] - Quote The reaction by many since the FIO announced its investigation into the Kyonoke outbreak within the Federation and the possibility that it was the result of a GÇÿstateGÇÖ actor, has been interesting to watch. It is strange that the most likely explanation is so readily ignored. The current situation regarding the termination of diplomatic relations between the State and the Federation at the bequest of some withing the CEP brings the question into finer focus. We should remind ourselves that at this point, we are all guessing, but some explanations are more plausible than others. I am reminded of the old saying, GÇÿbe careful what you wish forGÇªGÇÖ This certainly puts my recent concerns regarding other matters into perspective. Many have bemoaned the GÇÿForever WarGÇÖ as a tragic and immoral waste of lives and property. True enough. Some including myself, after recent events, have formed the opinion that the GÇÿquestionGÇÖ between our respective people's is too deep and ingrained to be decided peacefully. In short that there will be no peace, until one side or the other wins. It would seem that we are collectively about to test the premise. I have avoided until recently the idea of GÇÿtotal warGÇÖ, being pragmatic regarding relations between the State and the Federation and the possible outcomes of said conflict. I personally believe in the concept of 'The Just War.' It isnGÇÖt a moral equation but one based on proportionality. Resorting to war might be proportionate in relation to fending off a threat of something truly terrible such as the intentional exposure of a population to Kyonoke, when the likelihood of the successful defense is low. The scale of harm unleashed by war, including the probability of collateral harm on both sides, means that a state can be justified in exercising this right only if there is a reasonable prospect of success. That a political authority has no right to initiate the evils of war in a cause that is unlikely to succeed. The nature of this threat, however, supersedes all such consideration. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9397	Posted - 2017.03.23 03:06:57 - [53] - Quote So, it seems Syagrius is now rattling sabres in favor of total war. So mighty and brave for a one-pilot corporation with no significant infrastructure. All else aside, despite all this nonsense and chest-beating, ARC remains committed to multilateral solutions that productively address crises. In this case, our associates and staff will make every effort at the Inquest to achieve a successful resolution of the crisis. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2993	Posted - 2017.03.23 04:36:44 - [54] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: I personally believe in the concept of 'The Just War.' It isnGÇÖt a moral equation but one based on proportionality. Resorting to war might be proportionate in relation to fending off a threat of something truly terrible such as the intentional exposure of a population to Kyonoke, when the likelihood of the successful defense is low. The scale of harm unleashed by war, including the probability of collateral harm on both sides, means that a state can be justified in exercising this right only if there is a reasonable prospect of success. That a political authority has no right to initiate the evils of war in a cause that is unlikely to succeed. So a war is only 'just' if you think you can win it? Sounds like you're conflating 'just' with 'justifiable', which is not the meaning of 'Just War'. Nor is victory a factor in determining if a response is proportionate. It's like you sifted through a linguasoft of politico-military theory and picked out a pair of terms you'd heard people use before, then slapped them down to try to rationalize out a path that's both bloodthirsty and cowardly. If there is something you are fighting to retain, something you want badly enough to die to protect it, then crass considerations of victory are nonsense. Victory becomes something you engineer. Even if it takes, for example, centuries of biding your time in order to retake your homeworld, you make it happen. A Just War is not a war you can justify, but a war whose purpose is Just, which stands upon and upholds the principle of Justice. It's not always clear, and it's not always agreed upon by all those on the side claiming to be Just. If the Republic were to launch an all-out war of liberation, for example, its proponants would cite the slavery of our people as an evil and declare the war Just. The odds of winning would be irrelevant. Justice is not served by hedging your bets, but by striving for Justice at all cost. But not everyone would agree with that. Many would say that the Tribes were endangering livesGÇöincluding those of the people the war was intended to benefitGÇöand doing do needlessly. After all, they would likely offer, the new Empress is a business woman. Arrange a program where the Republic buys the freedom of the remaining Matari slaves. Now, if the Imperial policy toward slaves were, say, that of Nauplius... well, then I doubt very much if any in the Republic would hesitate to call a war of liberation, of deliverance 'Just'. But even then, it would have nothing to do with the chances of victory. Whether or not that war became a cultural necessity would have nothing to do with the odds of victory. It would be a matter of Justice, and nothing else. James Syagrius wrote: The nature of this threat, however, supersedes all such consideration. The nature of which threat? The threat posed by... still unidentified parties who may, for all we know, be Serpentis, SoCT, the Drifters, or the legandary Terrans, behind all this? This is a time for thoughtful reaction, not this lizard-brained lurching about to try to look decisive.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 8251	Posted - 2017.03.23 05:40:34 - [55] - Quote Oh oh. Could this mean war... oh wait we've already been at war for how many years now? OK it's dumb to call it a war. After 8 years it's looking like an excuse to get capsuleers to kill each other and get rich selling ammo to both sides. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2997	Posted - 2017.03.23 15:22:39 - [56] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Oh oh. Could this mean war... oh wait we've already been at war for how many years now? OK it's dumb to call it a war. After 8 years it's looking like an excuse to get capsuleers to kill each other and get rich selling ammo to both sides. It took you 8 years to figure that out?
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1562	Posted - 2017.03.23 18:44:24 - [57] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Petty hubbub. Madame, I tried to follow your reply but as usually escaped me. Perhaps you should try expressing your opinions, instead of simply playing antagonist to others considerations. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1562	Posted - 2017.03.23 19:02:25 - [58] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: So, it seems Syagrius is now rattling sabres in favor of total war. Am I? Makoto Priano wrote: So mighty and brave for a one-pilot corporation with no significant infrastructure. So instead of answering a serious consideration or simply remaining silent, you decide to belittle and insult. A valid tactic but somehow I expected more, especially from a group clamoring for speculative cooperation. But I suppose if you canGÇÖt find fault in the message, discredit the messenger. Indeed my courage is of the tidal kind, it ebbs and flows. If your research were more thorough you would know that my recent restructuring was a preparation. As to significance, a demonstration perhaps, of how little things can become burdensome. Makoto Priano wrote: All else aside, despite all this nonsense and chest-beating, ARC remains committed to multilateral solutions that productively address crises. In this case, our associates and staff will make every effort at the Inquest to achieve a successful resolution of the crisis. When it is found that it was the State that is responsible, what will your GÇÿmultilateral solutionGÇÖ look like? GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Sinjin Mokk Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde 1200	Posted - 2017.03.23 19:14:00 - [59] - Quote Who benefits from a Gallente/Caldari War? Hint: Neither the Gallente, nor the Caldari. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2999	Posted - 2017.03.23 19:29:20 - [60] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Arrendis wrote: Petty hubbub. Madame, I tried to follow your reply but as usually escaped me. Perhaps you should try expressing your opinions, instead of simply playing antagonist to others considerations. Well, I'm sorry basic logic and the meanings of words are too much for your cognitive abilities. James Syagrius wrote: So instead of answering a serious consideration or simply remaining silent, you decide to belittle and insult. The irony is just amazing.

Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9403	Posted - 2017.03.23 19:56:06 - [61] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: So, it seems Syagrius is now rattling sabres in favor of total war. Am I? Very simply, yes. War, you argue, is only just if the price of war is outweighed by the price of peace. Peace under threat of Kyonoke bioweapon attacks, you say, renders peace insurmountably costly, and so you argue in favor of total war between the Federation and State. James Syagrius wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: All else aside, despite all this nonsense and chest-beating, ARC remains committed to multilateral solutions that productively address crises. In this case, our associates and staff will make every effort at the Inquest to achieve a successful resolution of the crisis. When it is found that it was the State that is responsible, what will your GÇÿmultilateral solutionGÇÖ look like? And there, Syagrius, is where you state again your bias. When? Even the Black Eagles are saying it was an unknown quantity, at worst a Caldari nationalist extremist, not a product of the State as an entity or its component Megacorporations. And your bias -- unsupported by any fact or rationale, except that you're angry over a Gallente group attempting the employment of soft power being dealt with by hard methods -- is the unsound foundation for your house of cards. So, yes, I insult you. Because you can't be worked with anyway, and attempting to work with you would just waste our time and further inflate your overweening ego. In the meantime, our staff and associates are preparing for deployment to Postouvin, establishing contacts both within the delegations there, and ensuring effective command for our contingents remaining elsewhere. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9403	Posted - 2017.03.23 19:58:34 - [62] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Who benefits from a Gallente/Caldari War? Hint: Neither the Gallente, nor the Caldari. The Kyonoke crisis has heightened tensions to a remarkable degree. I still can't really decide who profits, though insofar as Caldari internal politics are concerned, the Practicals seem to be having a glorious time playing Patriots against Liberals. In the greater cluster, though-- it just doesn't make sense for any of the major players. Bioweapons are a terrible idea unless all you want is death, and I can only assume that the Equilibrum of Mankind would go directly for major population centers instead of, in most cases, isolated orbitals. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1941	Posted - 2017.03.23 22:10:43 - [63] - Quote The pattern of dispersal would most strongly suggest accidental exposures, or limited intentional exposures for testing purposes. Has anyone plotted the quarantine events on a map to see if they follow a logical path? Perhaps we could find a path that was being followed by whomever had the speck with them. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 361	Posted - 2017.03.23 22:22:51 - [64] - Quote Well this is quite an interesting development, time to move some ammo stockpiles to the border zones it seems.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3000	Posted - 2017.03.23 22:43:46 - [65] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: The pattern of dispersal would most strongly suggest accidental exposures, or limited intentional exposures for testing purposes. Has anyone plotted the quarantine events on a map to see if they follow a logical path? Perhaps we could find a path that was being followed by whomever had Kyonoke with them. You'd need to isolate the initial infection vector for each outbreak first. Then you can track them back to see if there was a common point of origin.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1941	Posted - 2017.03.23 23:03:00 - [66] - Quote Well there would absolutely have to be a common point of origin: the Kyonoke Pit. The question is filling in the blanks between the exposure sites and the Pit. A timeline of the suspected breach and quarantine events, along with a map would help with that. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1562	Posted - 2017.03.23 23:24:47 - [67] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: So, yes, I insult you. Because you can't be worked with anyway, and attempting to work with you would just waste our time and further inflate your overweening ego. You insult as you have no other reply, and many of your kin have worked constructively with me. But I understand itGÇÖs more fun when you work only with people who agree with you. Ego indeed. I did, however, notice you avoided answering my one question. James Syagrius wrote: When it is found that it was the State that is responsible, what will your GÇÿmultilateral solutionGÇÖ look like? GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9406	Posted - 2017.03.23 23:35:08 - [68] - Quote If by some fluke of fate you're right, Syagrius, which I very much doubt, then whichever middle manager cooked up this scheme will hang. However, I say again: your bias has been on display well and truly these past few weeks. As Arrendis said, the irony of your statements is just amazing. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1821	Posted - 2017.03.24 00:39:39 - [69] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: This was not the work of State nationalists. If it was, they must be the worst damn nationalists in the history of the cluster. Is it not out of the realm of possibilities that yes they effected their own and all others simply to cover their tracks, hitting their primary target but still making it look like an accident or something else?
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3176	Posted - 2017.03.24 01:33:21 - [70] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Aldrith Shutaq wrote: This was not the work of State nationalists. If it was, they must be the worst damn nationalists in the history of the cluster. Is it not out of the realm of possibilities that yes they effected their own and all others simply to cover their tracks, hitting their primary target but still making it look like an accident or something else? I'd be quicker to buy into this argument if the Caldari site weren't both the largest and most dangerous of the four. It's a planetary city. A whole world's at immediate risk, protected only, as far as we know, by an active defensive layer (the nano-shield, whatever that is). At this point, a power outage could render the whole planet a graveyard nobody can ever visit. The Templis Dragonaurs are really ruthless people, but for them to cause Caldari deaths on that scale would signal an obscene level of having screwed up, (and that's possible, mind,) Caldari lives being the ones they actually do care about.

Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1943	Posted - 2017.03.24 01:56:27 - [71] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Is it not out of the realm of possibilities that yes they effected their own and all others simply to cover their tracks, hitting their primary target but still making it look like an accident or something else? And why would they want to cover their tracks? Terrorist groups are usually very loud when they obtain a weapon, using it on the most people possible and claiming responsibility, letting everyone know exactly why they did what they did. You should know that; Minmatar commit far more acts of terror in Greater Amarr than the Templis Dragonaurs do in the Federation. It would have been simple to let the plague loose on Luminare immediately after obtaining it. If, that is, it was actually contained. There are only two possibilities if it is indeed Caldari nationalists: they do not have it contained and all of the exposures so far have been accidental (highly unlikely because what would they be doing in the Republic and Empire?) or they purposely exposed a Caldari planet to Kyonoke so that it would look like they weren't Caldari, which is bloody idiotic if they are trying to destroy the Federation and take credit for it. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3177	Posted - 2017.03.24 02:07:52 - [72] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: And why would they want to cover their tracks? Uh-- without otherwise disagreeing, my lord, because there are acts no sane person wants to take credit for. Terrorism generally is about propaganda-- increasing awareness of an issue by spreading fear. It calls for dramatic acts that usually cause more noise than damage. This wouldn't be very useful for that. If a full breakout spreads, whoever's responsible will basically have slaughtered the world. Nobody wants that laid at their door when any survivors start looking for whom to avenge everyone they ever knew on. Terrorism is a bomb and gunfire in a crowded festival ground at noon, with declarations and chants. If it reaches its potential, this is the anonymous murder of everybody under cover of night.
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1567	Posted - 2017.03.24 02:32:01 - [73] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: If by some fluke of fate you're right, Syagrius, which I very much doubt, then whichever middle manager cooked up this scheme will hang. However, I say again: your bias has been on display well and truly these past few weeks. As Arrendis said, the irony of your statements is just amazing. I see, well we all have our biases, don't we. So, you have already determined then that GÇÿifGÇÖ it is the State, it will be at the order of some nameless middle managerGÇª Interesting level of access for a middle manager. But then we forget Heth, was much the same. Who could have expected that? But forgive my ramblingGÇÖ so GÇÿifGÇÖ, only one person will hang? Just one? If you are telling the truth and you can't even imagine that this was engineered by elements of the CEPGÇª bias indeed. Makoto Priano wrote: I may as well ask, "How will you respond, Syagrius, when this is all revealed as an FIO plot?" Humm, I suppose I should answer this seriously, but considering the tenor of our conversation thus far, I will say... GÇÿIfGÇÖ it was the FIO, and as I said elsewhere, I have considered the possibility. Then they had better have had exceptional reasons. Then perhaps we will take your advice and hang a middle manager. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1567	Posted - 2017.03.24 02:40:39 - [74] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: This was not the work of State nationalists. If it was, they must be the worst damn nationalists in the history of the cluster. A rational and convincing hypothesis. Deitra Vess wrote: Is it not out of the realm of possibilities that yes they effected their own and all others simply to cover their tracks, hitting their primary target but still making it look like an accident or something else? Or that the attempt was disrupted byGÇª let say the intelligence organization of another power. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 848	Posted - 2017.03.24 03:02:09 - [75] - Quote Terrorism usually does not wait and allow quarantines to be established and held. A terrorist would continue to use their weapon, would overwhelm response. I would. Here is something for you to consider Aldrith: At Postouvin there was a 'hoax' distress call at 0800 long before the official quarantine was established. There was a lot of emphasis placed on exactly what the station does while the others received not as much speaking on that subject in the official releases. Repeating the function and history of the platform was irrelevant to the news of the outbreak but Commander Esmoreures was very keen to do it. He could simply have been a poor speaker rambling but his terse closing statement makes me doubt that. All the others were either transit hubs (Muttokon) or had a visitor or clear vector from the outside. (Efu, Oijanen) Postouvin closed without any mention of a visitor or crashed ship. Emphasis was placed on its history and what they did there, though none was needed. These make Postouvin suspicious but alone they do not explain anything. It seems like these vectors were black flags to distract and mis-direct. Attacks on orbitals that are easily contained but still hit every nation of New Eden. It makes things so confused that now anything seems like a conspiracy theory. Everything is suspect and it means that now, nothing is too. Aside from Oijanen but that seems intentional to me. A clear threat or vector that has a much higher risk of escaping. A planet is not an orbital and attacks on the State always point to the Federation. I do not think anyone would be surprised if the FIO were responsible for such a thing, it is believable that they would. If anyone is capable of attacking four nations at once in the desire to start a war or cover tracks it could be them. But not only them. The RSS are also capable, so really are any of the nations if the motivation was there. But for any of these nations, the motivation to risk a super-infection just to attack one target or cover tracks does not seem to be there. The Federation researching Kyonoke is not surprising, it is not alone cause for some cover up that would risk the lives of everyone in the cluster. As much as suspicion points to the FIO there is no motive for them to stage attacks to mis-direct or try to infect other places than the State. If they were discovered to have stolen Kyonoke all those years ago or even two weeks ago I doubt anyone would be surprised or they would even feel the need to cover it up with something like this. It is in their interest to hide it, not to risk starting a war to hide it though. But this speck was modified and that takes time. I do not think it was done in two weeks. If a megacorp in the State were acting with the assistance of the Federation and something went wrong? That is a secret worth keeping. Worth risking the lives of trillions and worth killing millions for. This closing of the border hurts relations between the Federation and the State but it does not really hurt the Federation. It hurts most those Caldari corporations who do business in the Federation. I do not know the situation around the speck between the megacorps but perhaps this break in two weeks ago was an attempt by one megacorp to gain the speck from another or others. Perhaps this is so convoluted because both actors in the State and Federation are involved. I pray that this theory seems as insane in six months as it does now. A simple and clean answer of provists trying to start a war or EoM trying and failing to kill everyone I think is preferable to everyone. But nothing about this seems simple or clean and the Infection is still out there now. I would be very happy to be wrong about black flags and actors in more than one nation's government. Because if either or both are true then we are moving to war. The closing of a border will be simply an opening act and not the climax of a difficult time. But there is a lot we do not know about the circumstances surrounding Lieutenant Kasaras and the things that moved to allow him to be there undetected. There are suspicious circumstances all over and too much smoke with no clear fire. As strength goes.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1821	Posted - 2017.03.24 03:08:24 - [76] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Is it not out of the realm of possibilities that yes they effected their own and all others simply to cover their tracks, hitting their primary target but still making it look like an accident or something else? And why would they want to cover their tracks? Terrorist groups are usually very loud when they obtain a weapon, using it on the most people possible and claiming responsibility, letting everyone know exactly why they did what they did. You should know that; Minmatar commit far more acts of terror in Greater Amarr than the Templis Dragonaurs do in the Federation. It would have been simple to let the plague loose on Luminare immediately after obtaining it. If, that is, it was actually contained. There are only two possibilities if it is indeed Caldari nationalists: they do not have it contained and all of the exposures so far have been accidental (highly unlikely because what would they be doing in the Republic and Empire?) or they purposely exposed a Caldari planet to Kyonoke so that it would look like they weren't Caldari, which is bloody idiotic if they are trying to destroy the Federation and take credit for it. Oh, thats very simple. If i were to stoop that low to attack civilians in such a way I would want it to look like anyone but us. I would try to tear you from your allies and paint old foes as the perpetrators. I also know that if I was to do such an act , no loss would be too great, that is as long as my enemies are fighting my neighbor and not me directly. Declaring any responsibility would kill my chances of a follow up attack and the support I would recieve from my own from slaughtering my own to claw at my enemy. Amputate the hand, save the arm as some would say. A botched attack is one thing, but don't count out it being deliberate as something impossible. But what can I say, we commit far more acts of terror than the Dragonaurs. I don't of course, but in the end a warrior is a warrior is a warrior.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3004	Posted - 2017.03.24 06:52:22 - [77] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Well there would absolutely have to be a common point of origin: the Kyonoke Pit. The question is filling in the blanks between the exposure sites and the Pit. It's a little more complicated than that. You're assuming the recent attempted breach of the quarantine zone around the Pit was successful. It doesn't have to have been. This could be something kept in storage in an off-the-books weapons lab somewhere, or something one of the pirate cartels has been sitting on, waiting for a customer. After some consideration, I think instead we should be looking at what we know and/or can learn, and working from there. I. We know when each outbreak started. II. We should be able to find out how quickly, after infection from this particular strain, symptoms begin to appear, and when the disease becomes communicable. That gives you your window for when the initial vectors would have been infected. III. Once you have that initial window, you know how far back you need to be tracking travelers. IV. Start with the arrivals to the orbitals during the incubation window. Get a list of all of them. It can't be more than a few thousand for each facility. V. Track them back to the points they'd have been at when they would have needed to be infected, allowing for variation in incubation period. Then you can start looking at who else might have been in those locations, at those times. Yes, it's a lot of data to sift through, but sweet Mother Matar, we'e got on-board computer systems that can calculate how to take two and a half billion tons of tacky gold plating, crumple it up into a tiny little ball, fling it 47,000,000,000,000 kilometers, and then un-crumple it again, without any of the systems or biological bits on board spazzing out and suffering catastrophic fluid containment failure. I think we can plot the movements of a few hundred thousand people for a few days and compare the travel records of those locations at those time periods. Heck, if we have to, we can even use one titan or supercarrier's navigational computer per site. It's not like we don't have enough of them.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3113	Posted - 2017.03.24 09:34:41 - [78] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: The reaction by many since the FIO announced its investigation into the Kyonoke outbreak within the Federation and the possibility that it was the result of a GÇÿstateGÇÖ actor, has been interesting to watch. It is strange that the most likely explanation is so readily ignored. The current situation regarding the termination of diplomatic relations between the State and the Federation at the bequest of some withing the CEP brings the question into finer focus. We should remind ourselves that at this point, we are all guessing, but some explanations are more plausible than others. It is pretty much looks clear that it was actually FIO attack on the State, taking into account their illegal interventions. This is pretty much Gallentean modus operandi, which we all can witness on other examples, like with hidden (but not for probes from capsuleer ship!) Gallente prisons in Black Rise. James Syagrius wrote: I am reminded of the old saying, GÇÿbe careful what you wish forGÇªGÇÖ This certainly puts my recent concerns regarding other matters into perspective. Many have bemoaned the GÇÿForever WarGÇÖ as a tragic and immoral waste of lives and property. True enough. Some including myself, after recent events, have formed the opinion that the GÇÿquestionGÇÖ between our respective people's is too deep and ingrained to be decided peacefully. In short that there will be no peace, until one side or the other wins. It would seem that we are collectively about to test the premise. I have avoided until recently the idea of GÇÿtotal warGÇÖ, being pragmatic regarding relations between the State and the Federation and the possible outcomes of said conflict. I personally believe in the concept of 'The Just War.' It isnGÇÖt a moral equation but one based on proportionality. Resorting to war might be proportionate in relation to fending off a threat of something truly terrible such as the intentional exposure of a population to Kyonoke, when the likelihood of the successful defense is low. The scale of harm unleashed by war, including the probability of collateral harm on both sides, means that a state can be justified in exercising this right only if there is a reasonable prospect of success. That a political authority has no right to initiate the evils of war in a cause that is unlikely to succeed. The nature of this threat, however, supersedes all such consideration. I am signing for the concept of "The Just War", because the Federation must pay for all their crimes, including but not limited to: - Kyonoke outbreak; - Highlander atrocity; - POW tortures; - Malkalen agression and - racism against Caldari on Caldari Prime. The Federation with its policy to intervene into others affairs, with policy of dictating their morals and enforcing their way of life,and of course with their inhuman brutality, make them the greatest source of evil in our cluster. We must STOP it. It is time to raise up and grab our arms for TOTAL WAR against gallente. We must protect the cluster from this menace. The Federation must be destroyed. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2337	Posted - 2017.03.24 15:09:20 - [79] - Quote Oi vey A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3007	Posted - 2017.03.24 15:39:51 - [80] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: I am signing for the concept of "The Just War", because the Federation must pay for all their crimes, including but not limited to: - Kyonoke outbreak; - Highlander atrocity; - POW tortures; - Malkalen agression and - racism against Caldari on Caldari Prime. You forgot about: - The way alcohol can cause hangovers; - Soggy bacon on a BLT; - Restaurants that overcook your burger when you said 'rare', dammit; - The great galactic injustice that is Aldrith Shutaq's perfect hair; - Human mortality

Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic 28	Posted - 2017.03.24 15:46:35 - [81] - Quote The originator of the recent Kyonoke outbreaks is still unknown at this time, even if taking into acciunt apparent actiona that supposedly link. Reaction for the sake of reaction will not help.
Claudia Osyn Non-Hostile Target 2337	Posted - 2017.03.24 15:50:20 - [82] - Quote Yoshitaka Moromuo wrote: The originator of the recent Kyonoke outbreaks is still unknown at this time, even if taking into acciunt apparent actiona that supposedly link. Reaction for the sake of reaction will not help. No, but it makes us feel relevant.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1954	Posted - 2017.03.24 17:00:47 - [83] - Quote Arrendis wrote: - The great galactic injustice that is Aldrith Shutaq's perfect hair Excuse me. The Gallente had nothing to do with that. That is an 100% Amarr injustice. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3185	Posted - 2017.03.24 17:20:31 - [84] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arrendis wrote: - The great galactic injustice that is Aldrith Shutaq's perfect hair Excuse me. The Gallente had nothing to do with that. That is an 100% Amarr injustice. Human mortality, on the other hand, is something the Federation obviously inflicted on us all. The Caldari ancestors, back to K'vire and Deteaas, would be with us still were it not for Gallentean meddling. It's a method of political gerrymandering and social engineering: internally, you shift the majority of potential voters into an afterlife so you don't have to worry about them tipping the vote to your opponents. Externally, you get rid of the older generations so that society is run by comparatively young and inexperienced persons more receptive to your ideas.
Persephone Alleile Tartarus Covert Operations 360	Posted - 2017.03.24 17:26:43 - [85] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arrendis wrote: - The great galactic injustice that is Aldrith Shutaq's perfect hair Excuse me. The Gallente had nothing to do with that. That is an 100% Amarr injustice. Human mortality, on the other hand, is something the Federation obviously inflicted on us all. The Caldari ancestors, back to K'vire and Deteaas, would be with us still were it not for Gallentean meddling. It's a method of political gerrymandering and social engineering: internally, you shift the majority of potential voters into an afterlife so you don't have to worry about them tipping the vote to your opponents. Externally, you get rid of the older generations so that society is run by comparatively young and inexperienced persons more receptive to your ideas. This does not apply to Intaki reborn.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3185	Posted - 2017.03.24 18:01:03 - [86] - Quote Persephone Alleile wrote: This does not apply to Intaki reborn. But the Intaki are under political pressure to stop these practices, are they not? Supposedly it's seen by many in the Federation as infanticide? See? It all fits! If you're more than a thousand years old, they want you dead! Mortality: totally a Federal plot.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3008	Posted - 2017.03.24 18:11:07 - [87] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arrendis wrote: - The great galactic injustice that is Aldrith Shutaq's perfect hair Excuse me. The Gallente had nothing to do with that. That is an 100% Amarr injustice. Human mortality, on the other hand, is something the Federation obviously inflicted on us all. The Caldari ancestors, back to K'vire and Deteaas, would be with us still were it not for Gallentean meddling. It's a method of political gerrymandering and social engineering: internally, you shift the majority of potential voters into an afterlife so you don't have to worry about them tipping the vote to your opponents. Externally, you get rid of the older generations so that society is run by comparatively young and inexperienced persons more receptive to your ideas. holy crap that made me laugh.
Persephone Alleile Tartarus Covert Operations 360	Posted - 2017.03.24 20:33:41 - [88] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Persephone Alleile wrote: This does not apply to Intaki reborn. But the Intaki are under political pressure to stop these practices, are they not? Supposedly it's seen by many in the Federation as infanticide? See? It all fits! If you're more than a thousand years old, they want you dead! Mortality: totally a Federal plot. Well . . . can't really argue with your logic here. I suppose in this case continuing your capsuleer licence indefinitely is revolutionary praxis.
Davlos Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 115	Posted - 2017.03.27 08:09:16 - [89] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: The theory would fit... except it's too simple. Occam's Razor would like to have a word with you.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1452	Posted - 2017.03.27 08:51:04 - [90] - Quote Davlos wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: The theory would fit... except it's too simple. Occam's Razor would like to have a word with you. Have you not watched anything in New Eden the last couple of decades? It's never that simple. That razor got rolled up then twisted into a corkscrew a long time ago.

Davlos Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 116	Posted - 2017.03.27 09:11:07 - [91] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Davlos wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: The theory would fit... except it's too simple. Occam's Razor would like to have a word with you. Have you not watched anything in New Eden the last couple of decades? It's never that simple. That razor got rolled up then twisted into a corkscrew a long time ago. Of course I have - and it's all about the will to power. It's stronger than our will to survive. Martyrs die for a cause which gives them greater power for something greater than themselves. Monks and nuns willingly renounce sex for the sake of divine blessings and power. This will to power behooves us to exert mastery over others. And we are part of an alliance wherein our clients pay us unthinkable amounts of ISK to project our power over whomever our clients wishes. Not that complicated, really.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1453	Posted - 2017.03.27 09:13:22 - [92] - Quote ... this is relevant to the subject at hand, how? Dav, have a protein bar or something.
Davlos Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 116	Posted - 2017.03.27 09:20:52 - [93] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: ... this is relevant to the subject at hand, how? Dav, have a protein bar or something. It's not that hard. There'll be another Caldari-Gallente conflict, and this is just the warm-up act.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1453	Posted - 2017.03.27 09:26:31 - [94] - Quote However much I've come to enjoy your company, you are why we don't talk in local, Dav. As for the conflict, we'll see. There's been enough reasons for all out wars between everyone the last couple of decades that New Eden should have burned down several times over already. It just turns out, it's never that simple.
Davlos Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 116	Posted - 2017.03.27 09:44:52 - [95] - Quote Oh please, Miz. I'd rather let my talk in local be delivered by way of munitions or the warm embrace of reparative beams. That being said, I'm more than happy to watch New Eden burn. It's like a forest fire. All the dead or dying trees get put out of their collective miseries and new life will spring forth. And oh, over time, it'll be a better market for Mr. Foiritain's product, too. Think of all these new customers without the benefit of those scrupulous education programs!
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 445	Posted - 2017.03.31 02:28:02 - [96] - Quote Too many egos on all sides of this mess. We will be offering sanctuary and refuge for any one who wants to get out of the middle of this but hopefully cooler heads will prevail in both governments. Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space. Support better localization for the Japanese Community.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3121	Posted - 2017.03.31 14:29:49 - [97] - Quote Petrified wrote: Too many egos on all sides of this mess. We will be offering sanctuary and refuge for any one who wants to get out of the middle of this but hopefully cooler heads will prevail in both governments. Does it have to do something about ego? It's a good sign and something that we should have done eight years ago since Gallente started this war, even before the liberation of Caldari Prime. And I don't understand why would someone will need sanctuary and refuge, speaking about the event under discussion. It is just closed border, not a massacre. Nothing really happened. But meanwhile, the war still goes on, and it goes on for eight years already. People die every day, ships explode all over the warzone. Will it end someday? I don't know. But what I do know, is that every citizen must do their job and protect Caldari State from foreign occupants. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3235	Posted - 2017.04.02 11:40:29 - [98] - Quote Davlos wrote: That being said, I'm more than happy to watch New Eden burn. It's like a forest fire. All the dead or dying trees get put out of their collective miseries and new life will spring forth. And oh, over time, it'll be a better market for Mr. Foiritain's product, too. Think of all these new customers without the benefit of those scrupulous education programs! It seems like we might have a little reason to prefer technicians and so on trained in scrupulous education programs..


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