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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.02 18:26:00 -
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You don't even need a name list, a Exploit removed / number of players banned (how long) / number of players warned list would suffice perfectly.
Of cource, in order to do this they would need to remove exploits now and then. Has Mass still it's "special relations" to the NPC pirates?
Slightly OT:
Currently there is this warn first @ ban later policy. Which is OK generally for your average player - but not for "repetitive offenders". If someone got already multiple warnings total (2? 3? 4? - meaning ALL his warnings he recieved so far for any exploitings) he should get a ban immediatly with the next offence and not yet another warning.
I don't know CCP's behind screen policies. I only know from experience in other games. Namely, the number of warnings a person has is only a single factor among many.
Other games took in account the severity of the exploit, how widespread its usage, the length between warnings, what the GM had for lunch, what the CSM's final decision is, ect. Meaning it was wholly possible to get banned without ever having received a warning. And it was possible for a petty exploiter to remain a member of the playerbase by not being overly abusive.
You really can't use hard set rules for these type of situations. It's too easy to step on your own crank wearing cleats being too tightly bound by 'rules'. CCP's biggest issue that I can perceive based on posts and observations is insufficient of oversight from the developer side. And insufficient communications on the GM side. Their command heirarchy seems to be missing.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
JackDonkey
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Posted - 2004.01.02 18:36:00 -
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"stargate/grids fixed, 29 people were banned for the related exploit"
That would suffice, just like Ana Khouri said.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.02 19:09:00 -
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The two links provided here address the issues of exploits and bans. We will not have a separate thread like the one you are suggesting. If you have questions about what is and isn't legal in Eve, you are welcome to e-mail [email protected]
http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_12.asp
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/banning.asp
Hi Pann  I promise to be good from now on!
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.01.02 20:31:00 -
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please keep this thread clean and friendly
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Gallente paperboy
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Posted - 2004.01.02 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Gallente paperboy on 02/01/2004 20:44:11
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And for the rest:
Listing exploits is the absolute worst idea possible. Increasing the petition queue dramatically by doing the equivalent of giving a hypochondriac a medical dictionary is not what I call 'smart'. And this playerbase has an overabundance of Exploit Hypochondriacs.
Increasing the whines against the support staff as they use the discretion implied in the job to determine that while XXX situation may be exploitive by definition it is not exploitive in intent is not what I call 'smart'. And this playerbase has an overabundance of people that enjoy telling half the story simply to increase the whine factor in an attempt to get their way.
Giving an potential exploiter a developer sponsored instructional series for exploiting is not what I call 'smart'. And ALL playerbases have an overabundance of people that use any public definition of an exploit to carefully and purposely as a guideline to achieve the exact same effect while avoiding the defined rules.
listing what is an exploit is not an instruction manual on how to do the exploit.
CCP has posted more info in the past then what is needed for the Forum containing the list.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.02 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 02/01/2004 20:39:59
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listing what is an exploit is not an instruction manual on how to do the exploit.
You obviously have no real experience with an exploiter. Many are highly intelligent individuals capable of figuring out exactly how to perform an exploit simply by being given general information concerning what mechanic has the bug to exploit.
Making them aware of the fact there is a bug in a mechanic is more than enough to tell them how to do it.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.01.02 20:48:00 -
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Please keep it clean and constructive next time.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Gallente paperboy
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Posted - 2004.01.02 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 02/01/2004 20:39:59
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listing what is an exploit is not an instruction manual on how to do the exploit.
You obviously have no real experience with an exploiter. Many are highly intelligent individuals capable of figuring out exactly how to perform an exploit simply by being given general information concerning what mechanic has the bug to exploit.
Making them aware of the fact there is a bug in a mechanic is more than enough to tell them how to do it.
Then the list of who has been banned and for how long, will be a deterent, and stop assuming so much(assuming is the mother of all mistakes)... don't assume what I know.
The list would serve to have a set standard, instead of the waffling of the GM voices on what is, and what is not, an exploit. The list of who was banned would show they mean to enforce the rules(unlike now, were it depends on who is breaking the rules, if they will be punished)
The final decision would still be up to the GM on duty.
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