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Inosin
Caldari
Stardust Heavy Industries
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Inosin on 03/05/2007 16:10:26
Some question about drug manufacturing.
I see People buying Gas clouds for 2mil a piece and the clouds are also sold for 1-2 mil in Jita market.
Now you need 20 cloud to produce 15 reactions and afterwards you need 17 (lets say 15) reactions to produce one standart booster. That means you need 20 gas clouds to produce a single drug standart booster. In result the value of one booster should be far more then 20 Mil (Cloudprice + Bpc + costs of a large pos)
But in local Market high ammounts of standart crash booster are sold for 0,5mil a piece.
So how is this possible this is a 20-30 times difference in Value.
So are they Drugs to cheap oder the clouds to expensive? Or both?
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Arthalion Thoidon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.03 16:24:00 -
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I think the reason why the price of the drugs isn't a lot higher than the price of the harvested gas can at least partially be explained by the fact you get 15 units of standard booster for 20 units of the harvested gas( and some relatively cheap water). However, if your numbers are inded correct there is still a difference of about 100% between raw gas and booster. Not sure how to explain that. Might be people trying to get rich or people pretending gas they harvested is free.
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Inosin
Caldari
Stardust Heavy Industries
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.03 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Inosin on 03/05/2007 18:25:18
you dont get 15booster from 20 clouds you get 15 reaction molecularthings. and you need 17 of this reactions to produce a single booster.
100% would be no problem but it is 2000-3000% Difference.
If i buy clouds for 2 Million i need more than 30Mil to produce one single Drug booster that i can use. Then there are the very rare Bpc and the costs for the pos in result the value of one single drugbooster should be 35 or 40 Million isk.
But they are sold for 0,5-1 Million in my local market.
So i think Drugs are much to cheap and clouds are much much too expensive.
If they price of a cloud was 100.000 you would need 2Million to produce on booster and then you could sell them for maybe 5 Mil for one booster then it would make sense..
But atm i have 500 Clouds in stock i can sell them for 500-1000Mil Isk if i would produce i would get 25boosters from it so i would get about 25 Mil Isk for the drugs. I cant understand this..
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Nyana
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Posted - 2007.05.03 18:38:00 -
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Are you positive that you're looking at the Standard Crash booster and not the Narcotic/trade goods item? 
AFAIK Coreli sells Exile boosters for 9-10M a piece(?), seems extremely unlikely that someone would sell another boosters for 1/20 of the price.
Also I'm 95% sure that they can't be sold on the market in empire space.
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Ki Shodan
Gallente
deep blue
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Posted - 2007.05.03 19:20:00 -
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It is maybe an one time sale from the gatecamp community, who got a lucky shoot on an industrial and wants to get rid of the loot real fast?
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Inosin
Caldari
Stardust Heavy Industries
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.04 10:12:00 -
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Dont think that our own Space is being trapped 
And no i dont think of trade good drugs i mean "Standart Crash Booster" the ones that make your missles hit better.
I have few hundreds booster in stock now and about 500 golden cloud. I you need i sell the boosters for 6mil and the clouds for 1mil and will bring it the Booster in a 0.4sec sys 4 jumps near Jita and the clouds to jita.
So let the drug carrier begin ^^
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Redbad
Minmatar
Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.04 10:46:00 -
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Yeah, it is indeed strange! Only thing I can think of that people are having an expensive habit in buying the clouds and turn them in boosters?
But I guess that is what that stuff does to your judgement I suppose.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.05.04 19:33:00 -
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I'm sure there is something that is missing here. There is no way people are taking a 30x loss on their money...
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.04 20:07:00 -
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No one who is making boosters is actually buying gas off of the market.
I think thats the disconnect here.
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Nyana
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Posted - 2007.05.05 12:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Baun
No one who is making boosters is actually buying gas off of the market.
I think thats the disconnect here.
Probably true, but if the gas is indeed selling on the market, producing boosters would be a big mistake at the moment.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.05.05 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Baun
No one who is making boosters is actually buying gas off of the market.
I think thats the disconnect here.
So you're saying everyone producing boosters is a complete and utter moron who too stupid to know they are losing 30x their money by making em?
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Inosin
Caldari
Stardust Heavy Industries
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.06 08:22:00 -
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I think its right that not much people buyinggas from the market so this could be a reasonfor the dissconnect. But Problem is that all advanced boostereaction need more than one gas. So most people (instead of the ones with Alts in every Ally) should have no acess to more then on cloud and have to buy rest off market.
But i sure the advanced boosters are very expensive.
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Algorithm 5
Caldari
Hakata Group
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Baun
No one who is making boosters is actually buying gas off of the market.
I think thats the disconnect here.
So you're saying everyone producing boosters is a complete and utter moron who too stupid to know they are losing 30x their money by making em?
No, here's saying everyone making them from gas they bought off the market is an utter moron who [is] too stupid to know they are losing 30x their money by making [th]em.
Most boosters are made by people that run the drug plexes, farm the gas, and do the entire production chain themselves.
Also, exile boosters are in growing (as people get skills up) demand from two races of very popular capital pilots (amarr, gallente).
Crash boosters are for people trying to kill smaller ships with bigger missiles.
So I assume that's cruise sniper ravens (MAYBE there's a mission runner angle here?)
And maybe a few other things... I've been wanting to try out a sniping targeting-laser-stacked crash-boosted rigged Gila myself to see if I can make a 100km-range anti-inty ship, just for ****s and giggles.
I knew a few caldari dread pilots also that keep a couple of spares in case they want to undock from an outpost and take some shots at battleships.
But every time there's a capital ship in a potential or actual fight, more and more of the pilots (I imagine eventually ALL of them) will be on exile boosters if they are armor tanking.
So Exile is quite a different story to Crash, and the prices of the various materials will vary a lot.
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Algorithm 5
Caldari
Hakata Group
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 06:19:00 -
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It also occurs to me now that I think about it that some of the sales might be to people running agents or some specific mission... where boosters is not the end target.
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Algorithm 5
Originally by: Shadarle
So you're saying everyone producing boosters is a complete and utter moron who too stupid to know they are losing 30x their money by making em?
No, here's saying everyone making them from gas they bought off the market is an utter moron who [is] too stupid to know they are losing 30x their money by making [th]em.
Most boosters are made by people that run the drug plexes, farm the gas, and do the entire production chain themselves.
Doing the entire production chain yourself doesn't change the value of the gas clouds you're using, meaning that for every gascloud you use, you lose it's value in ISK, and for every drug booster you produce you gain it's value in ISK(the drug booster's). If the gasclouds are more valuable before conversion into drug boosters, you're losing ISK, simple as that.
The real question is, whether the value of gasclouds mentioned in this thread is representative for it's true value. Sell orders for a certain amount of ISK that don't sell at all (or hardly sell) are a misrepresentation of the true value of gasclouds. So first investigate whether the sell orders are actually selling or not, and in what quantities. Are these quantities representative for if you wanted to mine gasclouds and sell them all for example, or would it be impossible to sell all that you have mined for that price. In the latter case the true value of those gasclouds is what you can do with them other than selling them directly, which would be producing and selling drug boosters in this case.
Other then that, I wouldn't know. Drug boosters can't be reprocessed? In that case if you happen to get drug boosters in loot then the value of gasclouds have nothing to do with it anymore, especially if the droprate is very high and more drug boosters are coming in from loot/complexes than from players manufacturing it.
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Cap0
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Posted - 2007.06.07 03:56:00 -
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In the 0.0 regions where gas clouds spawn there are up to three different agents on the gates. Each of these agents offers 7 Boosters for 200 units of that regions gas. The catch is that each character in game can only use these agents once and thatĘs it for the life of that character.
So when you think about it, if someone was to mine a few thousand units of gas (only takes a few hours)and then hand 200 units to each member in their corp to give to the agent they would instantly have hundreds of boosters.
This would justify boosters for 5mill a pop.
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