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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.03.27 13:04:11 -
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I never understand the criticism of the CSM and 'organized' groups. If you don't like organized groups of people voting against what you think are your interests, why aren't you organizing your own group?
(Rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer, which is that "impotent rage is easier than positive action") |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.03.27 13:23:28 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I never understand the criticism of the CSM and 'organized' groups. If you don't like organized groups of people voting against what you think are your interests, why aren't you organizing your own group?
(Rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer, which is that "impotent rage is easier than positive action") So your answer to the issue of blocs outvoting non-blocs is to create more blocs? That's as smart as saying people who don't like criminal gangs should start their own criminal gang. Better solution is to eliminate the manipulation from the vote.
Which is why I use the term "impotent". You're literally saying "stop people from doing people things". That's stupid and undoable, if you believe what you are saying, why not find others who believe the same? No one says you have to fly with them.
I know, another rhetorical question, because damn near no one agrees with you so why would they ever vote like you lol. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.03.27 15:20:06 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:
Just because you personally don't like something doesn't make it a bad decision on CCP's part. Just because the CSM isn't publicly clamoring for dev skulls in response to a change doesn't mean they didn't give feedback on it.
Feedback does not just mean "do you like this or not", quite often it means "can anyone offer any substantive objections to this or reasons why we shouldn't make this change for X reasons?" That's what the CSM exists for, to get to see some or all of CCP's reasoning or advanced plans so they can test the waters and get feedback ahead of changes being made.
If you're expecting the CSM to just go "players won't like that!" you're going to be disappointed. Someone has disliked every single change CCP has ever done, that people won't like something getting nerfed (or buffed for that matter) is not surprising to CCP.
It kinda seems like you have bigger expectations of the CSM than is realistic. Go talk to some of the CSMs, message them in-game or on Reddit. Most are pretty happy to talk about what the CSM does and how they feel it contributes, you'll get a better answer that way than you will from a bunch of Very Important Opinions on here.
Well said. People are so sure they are right, that when CCp doesn't instantly surrender to their wants, it turns in to "CCP isn't listening to feedback!!!".
I say this as someone who has from time to time given warnings to CCP about consequences they may not be considering Sometimes I've been right and the bad consequences happened.
I don't think that means CCP doesn't listen, it means that CCP are different people form me, with different thought processes and beliefs and knowledge (the last part is important, I never let myself forget that CCP has more information about everything than I do).
It doesn't help that in those feedback thread a sizeable chunk of asocial nerds will be screaming at the developers and talking about how they should lose their jobs because they took a low slot off an imaginary spaceship or something lol. If I were an EVE DEV I wouldn't post much here either  |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.03.31 19:49:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:The CSM is a scam. Any organized groups such as alliances / coalitions will easily outvote unorganized groups like the rest of the player base as long as voting is not mandatory. Its basic political science. Working as it should in other words.
W[:twisted wouldn't it be fun to see the mental gymnastics people like this would go through if there was compulsory voting and the exact same results occurred
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