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Matar Ronin
4214
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Posted - 2017.04.01 07:29:47 -
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Ayallah wrote:Imagine my disappointment when a thread about 10 billion ISK for killing Diana Kim turned into as much of a mired waste of time as any interaction with her has ever been.
**** you Matar Ronin. I do not think you ever wanted her dead. Well with that nasty mouth you just kissed goodbye to your eligibility to collect any bounty paid by me.
Fortunately there are plenty enough takers already so your likely confused participation is not at all required.
Please try to have a very good day nonetheless.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
250
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Posted - 2017.04.01 10:36:36 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Ayallah wrote:Imagine my disappointment when a thread about 10 billion ISK for killing Diana Kim turned into as much of a mired waste of time as any interaction with her has ever been.
**** you Matar Ronin. I do not think you ever wanted her dead. Well with that nasty mouth you just kissed goodbye to your eligibility to collect any bounty paid by me. Fortunately there are plenty enough takers already so your likely confused participation is not at all required. Please try to have a very good day nonetheless. With your outshining "trust" and "truth" levels, I wonder, if there will be at least single one taker...
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Lasairiona Raske
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
279
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Posted - 2017.04.01 10:39:50 -
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This is why we can't have nice things! |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
966
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Posted - 2017.04.01 12:18:24 -
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I wish I had a PLEX bounty... I feel unwanted, dead or alive. |
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
299
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Posted - 2017.04.01 12:22:33 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:I wish I had a PLEX bounty... I feel unwanted, dead or alive. Don't worry, we all still love ya. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3081
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Posted - 2017.04.01 12:43:10 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Well with that nasty mouth you just kissed goodbye to your eligibility to collect any bounty paid by me. Fortunately there are plenty enough takers already so your likely confused participation is not at all required. Please try to have a very good day nonetheless.
I highly doubt Ayallah, or any other supercapital pilot, needs your PLEX. We already have easier ways to make money. |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
254
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Posted - 2017.04.01 12:58:44 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Imagine my disappointment when a thread about 10 billion ISK for killing Diana Kim turned into as much of a mired waste of time as any interaction with her has ever been.
Correction: 20 million isk thread (10 billion divided by 500). Who knew revenge was so cheap? |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2357
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:41:23 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:I wish I had a PLEX bounty... I feel unwanted, dead or alive. You're much to adorable to put a bounty on.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3132
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Posted - 2017.04.02 09:10:52 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:I wish I had a PLEX bounty... I feel unwanted, dead or alive. Oh, I would want you... but not as a pirate. You can always defect this guri scum and join proper Caldari armed forces.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Rossanjiin Eskeitan
Guri Raiders
50
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Posted - 2017.04.02 09:55:02 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Yarosara Ruil wrote:I wish I had a PLEX bounty... I feel unwanted, dead or alive. Oh, I would want you... but not as a pirate.
So forward, Kim. I can't decide if this is hot, or if it's disturbing. I'll need video to decide.
EDIT: Also, to add, what an interesting post number you have there. |
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Tsao Aubbes
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
73
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Posted - 2017.04.02 10:07:47 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Yarosara Ruil wrote:I wish I had a PLEX bounty... I feel unwanted, dead or alive. Oh, I would want you... but not as a pirate. I-Indecent! L-Lewd!
No Longer a Drone Region Resident
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Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1207
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:49:37 -
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Dueling, for those such as us, is a wasted effort.
Dueling is only an appropriate and a worthwhile effort certain specific conditions. Primarily, there needs to be the very real chance either or both combatant could die. I mean real death, not just the pain and loss of a clone. Otherwise, why bother?
Both combatants must be of equal social and/or military rank. A Lord of Amarr does not duel peasants. An officer does not duel those below him of her in rank (it shows a level of disorganization in the unit and what do orders matter if you can refuse them and then just fight a duel?). Additionally, Duels of State supersede private duels, so dueling in a time of war is also inappropriate.
Let's call things what they are. Ronin, you are not looking for people to "duel" Kim. You want people to murder Kim. And since murdering those such as us is very complicated and exceptionally difficult, even old-fashioned vendetta becomes tricky.
So if you don't like a particular Capsuleer (Kim, Nauplius, Funk, me, anyone), trying to "duel" them is an exercise in ego and futility. It proves nothing. And spare me talk of "honor." That goes back to the above. With all of us from a variety of political, cultural and military backgrounds, very few of us are on a level enough playing field for "honor" to be satisfied either way.
You "duel" Kim and win? Big deal. She continues as if nothing happened. You "duel" her and lose? Same thing.
You want to hurt her? Engage in asset and mobility denial. Find a dozen or so friends, find what station she's sleeping in and kill every ship she undocks. You will lose your ships to station defense grids and/or CONCORD (another thorn in the concept of dueling). But if you fly cheap and deadly and hurt her financial ability to fight, you will have a greater effect. But it's a long road. HORDE has been doing this kind of asset denial in Perimeter for months and while it's been very effective, it's still ongoing.
This is how the Amarr Bloc deals with people like Nauplius. And how long have they been dancing that little dance with him?
You want to hurt Diana Kim, Ronin? Hurt her bank account. But make no mistake, she does not answer to your Matari concepts of honor and you are not Caldari enough to matter to her. So do let's stop talking of "dueling."
Another thought: If "honor" really mattered here, you'd use your ISK to buy enough injectors to be a better pilot and do the job yourself. So if you're not willing to go hunt her your damn self, I don't see why playing on our collective greed makes you somehow more noble or honorable than her.
If I get a chance and I'm in that part of space I'll hunt her and take your ISK, but it will not be a duel. It won't be personal or honorable. It'll be business. And that's all this is.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
406
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Posted - 2017.04.02 18:46:56 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Dueling, for those such as us, is a wasted effort. Dueling is only an appropriate and a worthwhile effort in certain specific conditions. Primarily, there needs to be the very real chance that either or both combatant could die. I mean real death, not just the pain and loss of a clone. Otherwise, why bother?
Exposition of combat prowess by both parties of course, also real death is not a necessity. For example most of the time duels with cold weaponry are fought until first blood to my knowledge.
Sinjin Mokk wrote: Let's call things what they are. Ronin, you are not looking for people to "duel" Kim. You want people to murder Kim. And since murdering those such as us is very complicated and exceptionally difficult, even old-fashioned vendetta becomes tricky.
Did he really say that? I remember him mentioning wanting her to be hunted, punished for cowardice etc., there was no mentioning of him paying for dueling Mrs Kim, but may be I missed that. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3089
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Posted - 2017.04.03 01:33:08 -
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Mokk, she stays in lowsec primarily. Get some fast-locking command destroyers point, bounce, kill. Bring a few logifrigs with you. No station guns, no CONCORD.
The funny thing is, if Diana really wanted to mess with him, she wouldn't collaborate with one pilot to cash in... she'd collaborate with a hundred. A few days of serial murder, and hand Ronin a bill for 1T. Heck, using T1 frigates, she could probably make a fair amount through insurance fraud and careful investment ahead of time. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3133
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Posted - 2017.04.03 12:09:24 -
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I am actually disappointed that this clown won't "offer" his fake bounty to militia pilots. Otherwise I could have used this thread as a propaganda to make coward gallenteans to at least to try fight me instead of running away as they always do.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3180
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Posted - 2017.05.10 09:06:05 -
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And so, as it was predicted. https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/scc-relaxes-regulations-on-quantum-entangled-helium-trading/
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
879
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Posted - 2017.05.10 10:14:14 -
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So, like.
Guy is annoyed about posts and messages on the Summit.
Tries to solve it by repeatedly emergency cloning the poster.
I can tell you from personal experience and from observations that if that actually worked, it would be much quieter in here.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3512
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Posted - 2017.05.10 13:01:06 -
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I'm just trying to figure out what the changes to QE-He-4 have to do with this, unless Diana's claiming his bounty is now worth far less, and he was somehow planning that. |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
293
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Posted - 2017.05.10 13:32:12 -
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Arrendis wrote:I'm just trying to figure out what the changes to QE-He-4 have to do with this, unless Diana's claiming his bounty is now worth far less, and he was somehow planning that.
Hey! Miss Arrendis, I warned everyone about that weeks ago when he first posted this!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6893431#post6893431 |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3513
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Posted - 2017.05.10 13:38:14 -
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Yeah, but it's not like he can't just adjust the bounty. I mean heck, he could granulate it now: each corpse is worth 50 of the new chips.
I'm sure he'll need time to consider what this means and what, in the light of how much he's had to pay out so far, the appropriate incentiviization would be. |
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
250
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Posted - 2017.05.10 13:49:58 -
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Arrendis wrote:I'm just trying to figure out what the changes to QE-He-4 have to do with this, unless Diana's claiming his bounty is now worth far less, and he was somehow planning that. Or perhaps Diana is simply complaining that her cold dead body is now valued significantly lower than previously. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
913
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Posted - 2017.05.10 14:51:33 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Ronin, you are not looking for people to "duel" Kim. You want people to murder Kim. . . You want to hurt her? Engage in asset and mobility denial. Find a dozen or so friends, find what station she's sleeping in and kill every ship she undocks. You will lose your ships to station defense grids and/or CONCORD (another thorn in the concept of dueling). But if you fly cheap and deadly and hurt her financial ability to fight, you will have a greater effect. But it's a long road. He does not want this, he wants to posture by flashing ISK.
If he wanted her dead he would pay people with experience doing so to do it. Instead he has used pathetic excuses to remove all canidates who are both willing and capable from the pool of eligibility.
If no one capable or willing can collect the reward then he has a nice safe place to posture from, free of risk that he will have to pay out the ISK he promised.
As strength goes.
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
294
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Posted - 2017.05.10 14:53:35 -
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Arrendis wrote:Yeah, but it's not like he can't just adjust the bounty. I mean heck, he could granulate it now: each corpse is worth 50 of the new chips.
I'm sure he'll need time to consider what this means and what, in the light of how much he's had to pay out so far, the appropriate incentiviization would be.
Don't disagree! But he's had plenty of time to offer to do so but his only response was to call me names!
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3513
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Posted - 2017.05.10 15:13:42 -
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Ayallah wrote:free of risk that he will have to pay out the ISK he promised.
Well, maybe he just doesn't want to get scammed by honorless liars and thieves who don't follow through with their promises? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3514
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Posted - 2017.05.10 15:16:47 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:Don't disagree! But he's had plenty of time to offer to do so but his only response was to call me names!
Yeah, but it's Ronin. He's the same guy who blatantly advertized a 'let's kill the Empress at the coronation' fleet, then when he got mocked for the pointlessness of it, hastily backpedalled and repurposed it into 'WE TOTALLY HAVE INTEL ON DRIFTER MOVEMENTS WE'RE NOT SHARING WITH ANY OF THE DRIFTER-HUNTING GROUPS', despite ARC, especially, being a multi-national organization not affiliated with the Empire.
So, you know, all talk. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
914
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Posted - 2017.05.10 17:14:28 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Well, maybe he just doesn't want to get scammed by honorless liars and thieves who don't follow through with their promises?
As strength goes.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3519
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Posted - 2017.05.10 17:38:10 -
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HAH! Now you're getting it. Well-played, Ayallah, well-played. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
915
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Posted - 2017.05.10 18:08:44 -
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Arrendis wrote:HAH! Now you're getting it. Your ISK?
As strength goes.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3523
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Posted - 2017.05.10 20:01:24 -
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Ah, Ayallah, don't start acting now like you haven't finally gotten the joke. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
917
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Posted - 2017.05.10 21:42:54 -
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Arrendis, I have watched how you vehemently argue nothing, try to rally others, and build narratives for months. I have read enough of your posts to know that you attack universally and stand for almost nothing.
I know why you do it too, you want to win a fight in what you think is another battleground. You look for gaps in the armor and attack every point regardless of how much you know about it, just trying to find an opening to push. When you cannot address the point of the post you attack the way it was presented or how it was phrased to muddy the water and continue the pressure. It is why you change the conversation to a minor point to mis-direct from the major ones you cannot back up. It is why you think pedantry is valuable even as you impotently complain that I know what I am talking about all the time.
Now you try to insist that you were 'just trolling for your entertainment' or that you are not hoping these weak jabs make it through. No one has said you spend a lot of effort or put a lot of emotion into each individual post, but winning overall is very important to you. It is why I expressed concerned for your wellbeing, you have become more frantic and desperate as these months go by. You are less coherent and relevant to the point as you lose focus. I brought it up and you double down on your ultimate out: you are not putting effort into these individual posts. Fine, we do not have to talk about it and I prefer this.
Arrendis, this is no battlefield of ideas. Most of us have been here for years and we all know each other well. We know who knows what they are talking about when it comes to a topic. We know each other's prejudices and manner. We have all learned who we cannot stand to confront about what and who will challenge ideas and refine them. We know who will make a fool of themselves as long as you let them speak.
So I have let you speak.
Because we are here for years Arrendis, and there is no objective to win. The only thing you can do is debate and insult and insist that in the end it does not mean anything. Your only responses will be pretend that getting me to be critical of you was the only reason you did it. I am sure you will insist that it is a sign I am bothered that I pay attention to you and address your points in my free time. 'Made you care and made you speak' is not a victory when words are an endless resource and there is no attrition.
Half a billion ISK is more than most people have gotten to listen to their detractors, and most are not as intelligent or engaging. Why would I damage that Arrendis? How does a vocal enemy who is 'just trolling' and has clear ties to those I have fought before not reflect well on me? Is it not good for me to have an opposition to keep my edge on? Is it not valuable for my image that those who set themselves against me have banded together and still fail to get through? Should I not let you continue as you are when you are set in the course you think is effective?
When I am neighbor to a small dog yapping my name I choose the path that is closer to it. It may be a gnat, it may be repetitive, but every tiny bark declares me the dominant species.
As strength goes.
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