I had done SOE before becuase the probes and launchers can be easy isk even if you offload them at buy price but I remember having numerous issues with griefers when doing the SOE missions which was a pain. There isn't much else around in high sec that seems to offer much worthwhile, especially when looking at the LP calculators (like fuzzworks) the only accurate pricing is Jita's).

When I was looking for items I did ignore the blueprints becuase they seem to all require tags, lots and lots of tags. I avoid faction missions so I never really come across tags, and I dont buy them on market as they can be expensive and therefore really water down, or obliterate any profit that may be in the item.

Loyalty points needs to go away like Aurum is.

I get annoyed at the exchange part of LP stuff. Collecting all the stuff besides LP you need to cash in to get an item annoys the heck out of me...

I get annoyed at the exchange part of LP stuff. Collecting all the stuff besides LP you need to cash in to get an item annoys the heck out of me... to the point I now pretty much only get stuff like implants that doesn't need anything aside from isk. I wish more had the option to just use isk to avoid supplying base items/tags/whatever... even if it were at a bit of a premium to do so.

There're pretty a lot items in the LP store that only requires some common T1 items (among with the isk and LP). You can just go for those.

Also if all items just required ISK then their value would decrease, the only reason those other items have a better LP/ISK is because they require more effort.

I have no issue with items requring more items than just ISK, but when it comes to tags I just wish there was alternative ways of getting them apart from blowing your status with a faction or simply buying off market. If your doing a security mission with an NPC corp there should be a chance of any tags that are required for items in the P store of that NPC corp to drop without losing status against a faction, or even be able to buy tags for LP under the store. The methods of aquiring the tags at the moment I think are too limiting.

Then that to me indicates that te LP process is broken, 90% of the NPC corps out there offer the same or similar, other factions are few and far between and the SOE LP are the easiest, If everybody went with those it makes me wonder why SOE probes etc are so expensive relatively speaking.

It would also increase competition. I stick with sisters of eve in part because their rewards are cool... but also in part because their LP store pretty much requires nothing aside from LP, Isk... and probes and probe launchers. It is the least cumbersome LP store to deal with... and probably the most popular for players.

If other LP stores were closer to the sisters setup... more players would run them... and there's be more competition for the items produced. Yeah, the prices would drop. But that's not a bad thing... I'm a consumer of those items from the market too.

OK, so whilst I recognise that the SOE LP are easiest I decided to do som emissions (only level 1) with Thukker Mix as they seems to have an interesting collection of items in their LP store. Even though none of my missions were against any major faction and the combat missions were against Angel Cartel I lost standing with Amarr and Caldari (and probably a lot of other factions)

This is not acceptable for me so I have decided to abandon Thukker agents.

The question is now do I just cave and go for SOE agents (Whom I can run level 4 missions for), or try and search for something else. This is where the lack of variety hurts the whole LP setup in my opinion.

Blitzing SOE needs faction standing now and then as every declined mission is -0.01(not sure about the number but it is very small) SOE faction standing loss so you have to run storyline missions sooner or later.

You are correct only storyline mission gives faction standing, i was trying to explain that you don't have to skip them all as there are ones without a direct standing hit to other factions. Every faction standing gain cause derived standing, it is a small amount compared to direct gain but it adds up in the long run. Derived standing has a cap, the sheet tells you where that cap is and how much you gain/lose percentwise.

Example SOE vs Amarr
First sheet tells you the cap, read the left column SOE and find Amarr in the top row. It says -1.00 that's the cap, you can't get below that via derived standing.
Second sheet tells you the percentage, again read the left column SOE and find Amarr in the top row. It says -0.6 that's the percentage and a bit more complicated. Numbers are made up to explain. Lets say you have a SOE mission with pure +7 standing gain and your SOE standing is +8. Then your actually gain isn't +7, it is only +0.2 SOE as the higher your standing the lower your new gain. After that mission you will have +8.2 SOE faction standing. From this 0.2 SOE gain derived standing will take -0.6 = -60% so -0.12 towards Amarr until your reach -1 Amarr.


The list isn't complete but it should do it for starters, still check Eve-Survival for standing gain/loss. And be aware that there are some normal missions that cause direct standing loss. Example Enemies Abound Part 3.

Good ones
Every courier storyline is fine
Shipyard Theft GÇô Diverse
Extract the Renegade GÇô Gallente
Soothe the Salvage Beast GÇô Drones
Patient Zero GÇô Drones
Covering Your Tracks GÇô Mercs
Record Cleaning GÇô Mercs
Evolution GÇô Drones
Quota Season GÇô Angel
Matriarch GÇô Angel
The Blood of Angry Men
Nine Tenths of the Wormhole GÇô Sansha
Inspired Objectives GÇô Serpentis
+
Pot and Kettle Part 1, skip the others
Enemies abound Part 1+2, skip the others


Never do these ones
Are You Receiving?
In The Midst of Deadspace
Smash The Supplier
War Situation
An Advantageous Catastrophe
Exploited Sensitivities
Postmodern Primitives
Amarrian Excavators
+ more i don't have listed.


As i said to circumvent this whole problem use an Alt Character that exclusively runs Amarr/Caldari. Take missions with the Alt run them with your Main. Stay in fleet for standing gain, leave fleet to avoid standing gain.

Yeah tried a burner mission on that (Succubus), dont think that is for me having lost a wolf and a daredevil to the total tune of 400m ish, I think ill leave those to the people that know what they are doing.

Yeah tried a burner mission on that (Succubus), dont think that is for me having lost a wolf and a daredevil to the total tune of 400m ish, I think ill leave those to the people that know what they are doing.