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insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:58:00 - [1] Edited by: insanebe on 05/05/2007 22:57:15 Edited by: insanebe on 05/05/2007 22:55:09 ......secrets they don't want you to know.... The reception ... Early reviews have tended to damn the upgrade with faint praise, however, characterising it as the best, most secure version of Windows, yet one that contains few, if any, revolutionary features, except maybe DX 10. The Fine Print..... While those reviews have focused chiefly on new functions, for the past few months the legal and technical communities have dug into Vista's "fine print". Those communities have raised red flags about Vista's legal terms and conditions as well as the technical limitations built in to the software at the insistence of the motion picture industry. Consequences.... The net effect of these concerns may constitute the real Vista revolution as they point to an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own PCs. In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user. Those communities have raised red flags about Vista's legal terms and conditions as well as the technical limitations built in to the software at the insistence of the motion picture industry. Vista's legal fine print includes the following consequences:- -extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software -extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to delete certain programs "without" the user's knowledge - Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, a security program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, and other potentially unwanted software". The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software. -Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, *automatically* remove software rated "high" or "severe" even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted. The Conclusion...... For greater certainty, the terms and conditions remove any doubt about who is in control by providing that "this agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights". For those users frustrated by the software's limitations, Microsoft cautions that "you may not work around any technical limitations in the software". knowledge is power.... guard it well
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:59:00 - [2] Edited by: insanebe on 05/05/2007 23:01:46 Image problem In December 2006, Peter Gutmann, a computer scientist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand released a paper called "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection". The paper pieced together the technical fine print behind Vista, unraveling numerous limitations in the new software seemingly installed at the direct request of Hollywood. Mr Gutmann focused primarily on the restrictions associated with the ability to play high-definition content from the next-generation Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs (referred to as "premium content"). He noted that Vista intentionally degrades the picture quality of premium content when played on most computer monitors. Mr Gutmann's research suggests that consumers will pay more for less with poorer picture quality yet higher costs since Microsoft needed to obtain licenses from third parties in order to access the technology that protects premium content (those license fees were presumably incorporated into Vista's price). Moreover, he calculated that the technological controls would require considerable consumption of computing power with the system conducting 30 checks each second to ensure that there are no attacks on the security of the premium content. Microsoft responded to Mr Gutmann's paper earlier this month, maintaining that content owners demanded the premium content restrictions. Microsoft Said: "If the policies [associated with the premium content] required protections that Windows Vista couldn't support, then the content would not be able to play at all on Windows Vista PCs." knowledge is power.... guard it well
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:06:00 - [3] Been using it for about a month, perfectly happy with it. Do you know what i did with windows defender... i turned it off! -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:08:00 - [4] and the you have it its a long post actually heres a summary of what i think is the most important revelation.... .... Vista INTENTIONALLY DEGRADES MOVIE CONTENT ON MOST PC MONITORS knowledge is power.... guard it well
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:11:00 - [5] Which monitors specifically.. what does "most" include? come on, give details at least if your going to reiterate something thats been said a hundred times before.. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:16:00 - [6] Edited by: Patch86 on 05/05/2007 23:13:22 Not that I'm not sympathetic and all (because, genuinely, I am); but it's all been said a thousand times before. The fanbois will go "vista rules, you're stupid!". Then the haters will go "vista sucks, you guys are stupid!". We'll not got anywhere interesting. Personally, I don't intend to touch Vista with a long pole, since I see no point. Its expensive, resource intensive, and does nothing that I can't already do. The moment DX10 is cracked (and theres no reason to assume it won't), it'll officially pass into completely useless. Why anyone would actually pay money for it, I don't know --------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Which monitors specifically.. what does "most" include? come on, give details at least if your going to reiterate something thats been said a hundred times before.. Any non-HDMI monitor. Since no graphics card currently fully supports HDMI properly from what I know, that would be 100% of screens. There are much worse problems with Vista; read this. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:21:00 - [8] im not a fan boi i like to have discussions and here what other people think ......most of the info above comes from a BBC News article, if they are wrong tell them not me lol knowledge is power.... guard it well
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Mtthias Clemi on 05/05/2007 23:23:07 I'm not even going to try and read that, i will fall asleep. Im just pointing out that, despite what people on this forum say, vista wont die omgitdoesthisthatsstupidrararara , ive had it, it works fine, it looks nice, it does everything i want.. its much smoother and pleasant to use than XP was etc etc People are always telling me that its constantly using loads of processing power and such... at its using between 0-1% of each core... Ram usage is a little high though, but ive got 2GB so its not really a problem. Given that i actually OWN the operating system, i can tell you its nowhere near as bad as some people would have you believe. Its running Deamon Tools itunes Utorrent EvE (duh) Supcom WLM all fine.. So far the only thing i cant get to work is Dark crusade... somthing about googe.. lol -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:25:00 - [10] Originally by: insanebe im not a fan boi i like to have discussions and here what other people think ......most of the info above comes from a BBC News article, if they are wrong tell them not me lol Heh, the info is well known and publicised all over the media. It's not that you're wrong, its just that theres been 10 Vista threads already since it came out, and they've all been exactly the same. The MS fanbois will never be swayed, no matter what the evidence (its almost religious). The same is true of the anti-fanbois. Some people are just incapable of rational discussion, on some subjects. --------

Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:27:00 - [11] I don't understand why everyone doesn't love windows Vista. All it does is consume more of those useless resources, like RAM, without bothering you with stupid useless things like benefits. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:28:00 - [12] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2007 23:24:40 This quote is hilarious. Originally by: The above link Has anyone actually been able to play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content (i.e. the material that Vista classes as premium content) under Windows at HD quality levels (i.e. without resorting to hooking up an analog monitor or something similar)? If so, what HD drive, player software, graphics card, and monitor did you use? (So far alongside a great many reports of people being unable to play any HD content at all I've received one report of someone who managed to play back HD-DVDs. Equipment used was an XBox360 (functioning as the HD-DVD player), an nVidia 8800GTX with HDCP (a top-of-the-line graphics card currently selling for around $600), and a Westinghouse 37w3 with HDCP on the DVI input (a 37″ LCD display currently selling for around $1,200). --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:29:00 - [13] Oh and im not a Microsoft fanboi i just truly (really really lol) have never ever experienced any of the problems with their software or hardware that people are always talking about, i don't understand... -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:30:00 - [14] Edited by: insanebe on 05/05/2007 23:28:53 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2007 23:18:24 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Which monitors specifically.. what does "most" include? come on, give details at least if your going to reiterate something thats been said a hundred times before.. Any non-HDMI monitor. Since no graphics card currently fully supports HDMI properly from what I know, that would be 100% of screens. thats what it means by osome monitors There are much worse problems with Vista; read this. Did you know that to "ensure security", Vista encrypts the video as it passes between the CPU and the graphics card using AES? Did you know that it takes an incredible amount of CPU to do this: so much that modern CPUs, while being perfectly able to decode H.264 HD video, like that found on an HD-DVD, cannot play an HD-DVD without stuttering under Vista? They can play the MPEG-2 ones I think, but not the H.264 or VC-1 encoded ones. According to this bbc news The copyright holders of content on HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs, for example, can insist that the video be played back in high definition only if it is output via a connection that supports the HDCP protection system on a PC and a TV or monitor. That could prove a problem for many PC users whose graphics cards have a DVI or component video connection which do not support HDCP. so it means no blue ray or Hi - Def for pc users who's graphics cards use anything other than HDCP to stop the pirates arrg thats what it means by " on some " Monitors knowledge is power.... guard it well
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Oh and im not a Microsoft fanboi i just truly (really really lol) have never ever experienced any of the problems with their software or hardware that people are always talking about, i don't understand... By that logic, since your Ford Pinto didn't blow up, it means all Pintos are just perfectly good cars. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:34:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Oh and im not a Microsoft fanboi i just truly (really really lol) have never ever experienced any of the problems with their software or hardware that people are always talking about, i don't understand... By that logic, since your Ford Pinto didn't blow up, it means all Pintos are just perfectly good cars. Firstly: are you telling me that my ford pinto is going to blow up?! oh thanks, now the drive to schools going to be fun... Secondly: Not really, im simply saying that given the way in which people talk about Microsoft's products, you would think that they all have horrible restrictions and don't work properly, and i can assure you, that just inst the case. Like saying "all ford pintos blow up upon purchase" Thirdly: What in gods name is a pinto? -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Thirdly: What in gods name is a pinto? I wikipedia'd it Originally by: Wikipedia Also Brazilian Portuguese slang for ***** (It's also a make of car........) I think DS's point is- just because yours is working alright, doesn't mean they all are. I've heard more tails of woe than I have heard people like you. And since I don't know you any better than any of the other people telling me it's rubbish, I'm gonna have to go with majority rules........ Maybe you're just lucky enough not to have noticed. Anyhow, be happy- you're getting all the pros, without the cons the rest of the world are getting --------
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:40:00 - [18] The prob. with microsoft's junk isn't that it doesn't work. It works. It's just stupid, wastes resources, prevents people who want to actually tweak, modify, or do anything beyond the most basic level stuff from accomplishing their goals... And it sucks away your money for no reason. Which is fine. I have no problem with people wasting their money if they want to. The problem comes when I'm then pushed to blow money on something useless because some companies coughs are catering to the computer illiterate masses. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Oh and im not a Microsoft fanboi i just truly (really really lol) have never ever experienced any of the problems with their software or hardware that people are always talking about, i don't understand... By that logic, since your Ford Pinto didn't blow up, it means all Pintos are just perfectly good cars. Firstly: are you telling me that my ford pinto is going to blow up?! oh thanks, now the drive to schools going to be fun... Secondly: Not really, im simply saying that given the way in which people talk about Microsoft's products, you would think that they all have horrible restrictions and don't work properly, and i can assure you, that just inst the case. Like saying "all ford pintos blow up upon purchase" Thirdly: What in gods name is a pinto? well im saying microsoft software is working as intended .... they are admitting that vista downgrades Hi- def a nd Blue ray so im not sure what your trying to say......are you trying to say microsoft is wrong about its own operating system lol knowledge is power.... guard it well
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:40:00 - [20] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2007 23:37:31 Pinto: Originally by: Wikipedia Through early production of the model, it became a focus of a major scandal when it was alleged that the car's design allowed its fuel tank to be easily damaged in the event of a rear-end collision which sometimes resulted in deadly fires and explosions. Critics argued that the vehicle's lack of a true rear bumper as well as any reinforcing structure between the rear panel and the tank, meant that in certain collisions, the tank would be thrust forward into the differential, which had a number of protruding bolts that could puncture the tank. This, and the fact that the doors could potentially jam during an accident (due to poor reinforcing) made the car a potential deathtrap. ... The Pinto, along with the Yugo, AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, and AMC Pacer, suffers the reputation of being an American symbol for a "cheap economy car" or "cheapness". But in particular, its peculiar vulnerability to rear end collisions and fire has given it a special place in popular culture. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!

Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:44:00 - [21] Only thing that really seems bad about it is the HD DVD thing, admittedly that is not great, but then that seems like hollywoods fault.. not microsofts. MY dad and sister both have it as well, no problems there.. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Only thing that really seems bad about it is the HD DVD thing, admittedly that is not great, but then that seems like hollywoods fault.. not microsofts. MY dad and sister both have it as well, no problems there.. The thing is, whats the difference? Lets not apportion blame here. It really doesn't matter why anything is as it is. All that matters is the quality of the product. I couldn't give a flying leap who caused what, all I care about is whether something's worth paying ú250 for. The thing is, in XP, you can watch HDDVDs, at full quality. You can in Linux. You can in Mac, too. But not in Vista. Thats not much of an upgrade. --------
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Only thing that really seems bad about it is the HD DVD thing, admittedly that is not great, but then that seems like hollywoods fault.. not microsofts. MY dad and sister both have it as well, no problems there.. i half agree, it would have been better for microsoft not to have agreed to this and to have just left the masses to come up with solution rather than integrating all this crap into the operating system making it into a world of pain, it reminds me of the DVD locked regions function on my DVD rom , i was able to over-ride that a reset it to make it multi regional....fat chance of something similar here :( knowledge is power.... guard it well
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:59:00 - [24] It is from their point of view, and like you say, all these things get hacked and *****ed or whatever eventually... to be honest i didn't buy vista at all, i got the new computer, which was the same price whether i got it with vista or xp, i chose the newer version because, for the most part it just appeals to me more. The High def problem isn't one for me.. i have a TV in my room.. and 2 HDTV's downstairs.. so why would i ever watch movies on my computer. Obviously not the case for everyone, but i think people who want to watch HD-DVD's or blue ray disks will likely have a tv capable of doing that anyway... Admittedly Vista has its drawbacks, but none that really affect the majority of users, and after all the majority is what matters. Given that Microsoft was always going to be forced out of its dominant position eventually (that or become some sort of self governing autocratic super coperation ) it doesn't surprise me that more people are using Linux or buying macs (i cant stand those things, no right click? what the hell man!) And you cant really call these things secrets, given that they are widely known.. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.06 00:03:00 - [25] The sad thing is I like XP quite a bit. I used to like macs. Then I realized right mouse buttons existed. I tried linux for a year (gentoo actually) and went back to XP. I hear ubuntu is good but meh. The only thing in XP that's ever ****ed me off, and still does, is the horrible networking. God. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.06 00:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi It is from their point of view, and like you say, all these things get hacked and *****ed or whatever eventually... Its not about hacking, its about the fact that their mere existence makes the operating system worse to use for all users, and in fact makes other operating systems worse to use too, simply by its existence. It makes it more difficult to code non-Windows drivers, and it increases the cost of hardware due to the cost of Vista compatibility. The problem is that Vista's suckage extends far beyond the realm of the obvious. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.06 00:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi It is from their point of view, and like you say, all these things get hacked and *****ed or whatever eventually... Its not about hacking, its about the fact that their mere existence makes the operating system worse to use for all users, and in fact makes other operating systems worse to use too, simply by its existence. It makes it more difficult to code non-Windows drivers, and it increases the cost of hardware due to the cost of Vista compatibility. The problem is that Vista's suckage extends far beyond the realm of the obvious. Did bill gates run over your dog or something? Either way, my point still stands, the majority of people wont care about anything that you have stated, i know what your talking about.. and i still don't care.. lol -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.06 00:13:00 - [28] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/05/2007 00:10:36 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi It is from their point of view, and like you say, all these things get hacked and ****ed or whatever eventually... Its not about hacking, its about the fact that their mere existence makes the operating system worse to use for all users, and in fact makes other operating systems worse to use too, simply by its existence. It makes it more difficult to code non-Windows drivers, and it increases the cost of hardware due to the cost of Vista compatibility. The problem is that Vista's suckage extends far beyond the realm of the obvious. Did bill gates run over your dog or something? Either read the article I posted, or leave the thread. Otherwise you have no idea what you're talking about at all. Seriously. Every single thing I've said is explained, qualified, and sourced there. You're making baseless accusations while refusing* to learn anything about the topic, and yet you expect people to take you seriously! --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.06 00:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/05/2007 00:10:22 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi It is from their point of view, and like you say, all these things get hacked and ****ed or whatever eventually... Its not about hacking, its about the fact that their mere existence makes the operating system worse to use for all users, and in fact makes other operating systems worse to use too, simply by its existence. It makes it more difficult to code non-Windows drivers, and it increases the cost of hardware due to the cost of Vista compatibility. The problem is that Vista's suckage extends far beyond the realm of the obvious. Did bill gates run over your dog or something? Either read the article I posted, or leave the thread. Otherwise you have no idea what you're talking about at all. Seriously. Every single thing I've said is explained, qualified, and sourced there. You're making baseless accusations while refusing* to learn anything about the topic. Its too long, i cant be bothered. Alls i know is, my vista works, you don't like Microsoft so im not going to listen to you Even if it doesn't work, 90% of my friends don't know what Linux is, and the only operating system you can get at pc wold soon will be Vista.. Leaving the thread now.. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.06 00:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Either way, my point still stands, the majority of people wont care about anything that you have stated, i know what your talking about.. and i still don't care.. lol Do you know whats sad? You're probably right. Mr Joe Dumbass, who can just about use a computer to word process, browse the web, watch the odd DVD, and play the odd game; he probably isn't going to put much thought into what he's buying. Its the same reason why Nike trainers sell for ú100 more than other trainers, and are probably made in the same damned sweat shop- people just seem to buy what they're told to buy. Its this reason why Microsoft probably won't die any time soon. No matter what they screw up, and no matter how hard they screw over their customers, people are still gonna end up buying them......... --------



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