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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.09 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: dralid To Sylph Alliance, your backstabbing days are over, standings towards you are revoked. That will teach you!
Free the slaves!
Dralid!
Sorted diplomatically with Sylph diplomats ingame.
Just for reference They are currently firing on U'K assets and set us red due to policy forcing us to do the same. Whilst their official line is tempered as such, their general membership seem quite interested in firing on U'K. There engagement of a U'K tower in S25 whilst we are midway through a pos siege didn't raise my opinion of them much either. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
dralid
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 09:20:00 -
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Exactly why I had put them off the naplist in the first place, and this only proves I was right in the first place, but as you know, mamo is the boss :)
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.09 10:58:00 -
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just for clarification. U'K doesnt request from anybody to alter whatever their relations are to sylph. Also u'k doesnt discuss the future of the sylph-relationships in public and the only people officially in charge with the 'Sylph-Case' are Maggot and Kharn. All other names, just express personal feelings
Our focus is the defense of unity, and the offense on CVA and we suggest to everybody to crush every CVA bone you can find anywhere!
The imperial expansion on the backs of the free people has to find an end.
unity must stand. And punishment for the recent attacks need to be carried out.
U'K recruit!
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.09 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cythrawl on 09/05/2007 13:29:36
Originally by: Mortim
Central Defiance, for those that don't know, are both ex-Sylph and ex-UK members, after digruntling both alliances, and hiding out in the back regions of nowhere, they have finally picked up another flag to fly under (although for how long is anyones guess).
Disruption is their key goal. When leaving Sylph they took a portion of our space, which took 3 months to claim back diplomatically.
Not so far into their UK stint, they managed to further antagonize relations, before leaving them too. Personally I find the claims of opportunism, and vulture-like conduct a little hypocritical, seeing you in your now third allaince.
As for dealings with ISS and COBRA, I'd like to query how long exactly it is before space becomes "up for grabs" and the difference between grabbing an opportunity is innocent, or vindictive? Whilst this was done prior to my position withing the alliance, I believe that particular area was taken with no problems from other alliances. I therefore fail to see the issue.
As for ISS, we allowed them a system to place an outpost in a long time ago. In return we BOUGHT Consido from them when they left, adding only that one system to our "collection".
The UK-CVA war is one we have never been involved in. We fervently remain that way, CVA claims all of Providence and therefore upon their victory we would recieve nothing. A UK victory would likely see no change to the sovereignty of the current systems, therefore we would also receive nothing.
This post of yours, if anything, is late. It was forseen that DEFY would not pass up the opportunity to use their total lack of knowledge in attempts to stir further turmoil.
As always, myself and Drakmor remain available to contact should there be any questions relating to Sylph conduct, or our main goals and aspirations.
Mort
Actually, lets make a few things clear here:
We left SYLPH to assist U'K in Providence. We initially left on good terms. We never made fuss except in the fact that we claimed a system after SYLPH leaders wouldn't allow us to set up a pos in another due to the sov-mongering of Drakmor and Co. wanting to snap up more systems. 8P9 was originally unclaimed. No other SYLPH corp setup shop. We declared it out ours due to rights of responsibility and took it to U'K.
Even after we left U'K and still held a pos in the area our CEO contacted your alliance and told them they could have sov back, if they'd turn it on. Not our fault that never happened now is it?
As for U'K: Originally we left U'K in the goal of recruitment, which we feel we've managed to meet. We left on good terms from them as well, unless you know something we don't, and assisted them a few times in clearing out riff-raff from their space even after we left.
Our inclusion into Terror In The System was after our CEO was offered membership. You don't just apply and join. They don't go out recruiting just anyone's corp of the street. We informed U'K of this and we're now set to neutral.
As for disruption: We lived in the edges of Devoid long before we ever joined your alliance. We returned there and took up to our old security habits, uniting with old corps and new friends to secure the area for the mutual benefit of all envolved. The only problem with that kind of operating stance is that you're going to loose sec status. We routinely flew with -5 or worse and are/were labeled pirates for it.
We've engaged in acts of "piracy" within certain bounds, but not to the extent of groups who's only activity is to travel into another's area, shoot up a bunch of people, and fly away free and clear. We were defending a home, our friends, and ourselves when required. We also shot anything that was on our overview for the most part. NBSI in low sec takes no prisoners.
Either way, you know so much about us, kinda like our having access to your forums at one time. I know plenty about SYLPH and you make me laugh.
My thoughts only, Cyth
P.S. How goes the cap ship production?
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:58:00 -
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Slyph attacking UK assets when the CVA seige of 9UY began is the very definition of cowardly betrayal.
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Forum Counsellor
Eve-o Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:22:00 -
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Christ, Sylph are worst then KOS alliance at changing sides. Ill be making sure we visit you because you rly dont deserve that station.
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Ktor
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:52:00 -
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While the attack on the U'K POS appeared to be done in concert with the CVA assault on 9UY it was not. CVA doesn't consult Sylph when they attack U'K and we didn't consult them when we attacked the POS.
Also missing from this lively discussion is my convo with the CEO of the corporation owning the POS and Sylph agreeing that he could safely remove it from the system after the shields recharged.
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Mortim
Minmatar Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:48:00 -
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Changing sides comes with the basic requirement of being on a side to start with. We were renowned for our neutrality until just recently, and still continue to stay clear of the UK-CVA conflict to the best of our capabilities.
The facts and nothing but.
Mort
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ktor While the attack on the U'K POS appeared to be done in concert with the CVA assault on 9UY it was not. CVA doesn't consult Sylph when they attack U'K and we didn't consult them when we attacked the POS.
Also missing from this lively discussion is my convo with the CEO of the corporation owning the POS and Sylph agreeing that he could safely remove it from the system after the shields recharged.
Sylph on behalf of teh bums i am offering you the chance to take down your pos's in is- and leave.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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dralid
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:30:00 -
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Sylph is gonna pay for their treachery
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Mindfcuk
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mind**** on 10/05/2007 12:40:38 Firstly Congratulations to UK on a marvelous political and media campaign. For a moment I was ready to jump into my trusty Wolf and fly headlong into the fray as I have done on several other occasions but this time something didn't feel right. Fortunately my head prevailed over my heart and I decided to look into the situation first.
My analysis of the situation is this:
Uk had a problem, the war against CVA was going badly and their was Little support for what was seen as an alliance on alliance conflict. In order to bring in that support UK had to manufacture, at least, the appearance of a coalition bent on destroying them. BOB ET AL writ small. This was achieved by UK alienating its largely peaceful and friendly neighbors to give the illusion of a combined CVA led faction against them by, in part, by enlisting the help of Pir.... Er perhaps soldiers of fortune and refuse collection might be more tactful ;)
After these measures were in place UK then stepped up its Media campaign to stir up the Minmatar masses which was achieved, quite brilliantly, in the press release entitled "Reaffirmation".
All of the above I can live with, we all do what we have to do in order to survive and achieve our goals.
What I cant live with though is the spinelessness of many of my so called brothers and sisters and other insignificant corps and alliances, who, when things were dire, were nowhere to be seen but who come rushing to UK's defence making snarly faces, beating their chests, making pledges of support and promising swift retribution to the slavers and those unfortunate enough to have been dragged into this, only because they have an Evoke Titan to hide behind.
You make me puke, you are sheep, you are cowards, you are nothing.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:57:00 -
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write with your main personality, that might add more value to your rantings. thanks.
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Mindfcuk
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:16:00 -
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would love to Zool but we both know what would happen if I did
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Timmeh 2000
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:19:00 -
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This FTL communication has been decoded and will be monitored for any more infractions. Contact us at our Yulai office for more information: [email protected]
"Just when I thought that I was out they pull me back in."
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Je'hira Osiris
Minmatar Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mind**** Edited by: Mind**** on 10/05/2007 12:40:38 only because they have an Evoke Titan to hide behind.
You make me puke, you are sheep, you are cowards, you are nothing.
LOL!!!
Respect can be found for your enemy.... its jus a case of how hard you wanna look...
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.10 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mind****
Uk had a problem, the war against CVA was going badly and their was Little support for what was seen as an alliance on alliance conflict. In order to bring in that support UK had to manufacture, at least, the appearance of a coalition bent on destroying them. BOB ET AL writ small. This was achieved by UK alienating its largely peaceful and friendly neighbors to give the illusion of a combined CVA led faction against them by, in part, by enlisting the help of Pir.... Er perhaps soldiers of fortune and refuse collection might be more tactful ;)
I probably shouldnt rise to this, but...
It's a defensive action. This is not some grand coalition which is going to sweep into CVA space, most of us HATE pos war with a passion. These actions are a response to CVA's, nothing more.
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mind****
What I cant live with though is the spinelessness of many of my so called brothers and sisters and other insignificant corps and alliances, who, when things were dire, were nowhere to be seen but who come rushing to UK's defence making snarly faces, beating their chests, making pledges of support and promising swift retribution to the slavers and those unfortunate enough to have been dragged into this, only because they have an Evoke Titan to hide behind.
You make me puke, you are sheep, you are cowards, you are nothing.
Who are you referring too?
Just to clarify the timeline no groups have joined the allied side since ev0ke offered their support.
I liked the rest of commentry through, it cheered me up. I wish I had such powers of manipulation.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
I wish I had such powers of manipulation.
You have the charisma of a 45' put at someones head - manipulation powers that is
Seeriosuly Boss, as long you leave me the reserve Key to your Whisky cabinet, and dont stand in my way when i want to shoot a Slaver, then you can manipulate me as much you want.
U'K recruit!
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Kalil d'Maelstromo
The Establishment
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mind**** Edited by: Mind**** on 10/05/2007 12:40:38 What I cant live with though is the spinelessness of many of my so called brothers and sisters and other insignificant corps and alliances, who, when things were dire, were nowhere to be seen but who come rushing to UK's defence making snarly faces, beating their chests, making pledges of support and promising swift retribution to the slavers and those unfortunate enough to have been dragged into this, only because they have an Evoke Titan to hide behind.
You make me puke, you are sheep, you are cowards, you are nothing.
Yes the Minmatari brethren within the Establishment are cowards. Despite the fact that it is true that we as a corporation pirated long before the aquisition of Hera and those of us with carriers use them in the frontline where required and not exclusively from the safety of POS's.
I am sure Outbreak and all the others who are having fun in 9UY and around are of the same opinion and would not ever engage without the 'safety' provided by a Titan.
Yes this statement was made with a large dollop of sarcasm you sniveling dog.
Originally by: Thor Xian I use a named WCS called "Situational Awareness".
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mamolian
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: dralid Sylph is gonna pay for their treachery
Owning an outpost 1 jump from UK HQ, and then switching sides almost.. is not clever.. Sylph will get whats coming to them yes (unless of course some diplomatic arrangement can be made .) But Maelstrom wont close its doors ever being known as officially supporting the combat between friendly corporation/alliances.
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Suicidal Sid
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Posted - 2007.05.15 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Suicidal Sid on 15/05/2007 10:26:56
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: dralid Sylph is gonna pay for their treachery
Owning an outpost 1 jump from UK HQ, and then switching sides almost.. is not clever.. Sylph will get whats coming to them yes (unless of course some diplomatic arrangement can be made .) But Maelstrom wont close its doors ever being known as officially supporting the combat between friendly corporation/alliances.
Er mate if you ever manage to find 9UY I think you'll need to ask for directions from there. Your navigation skills are somewhat lacking. Without checking I believe its 4 jumps to Sylphs outpost from UK's HQ. Also to switch sides you first have to be on a side. As I understand it Sylph were blue to both UK and CVA before BUM arrived and started pursuing there own agenda. Perhaps UK, CVA and Sylph can confirm this?
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Suicidal Sid Er mate if you ever manage to find 9UY I think you'll need to ask for directions from there. Your navigation skills are somewhat lacking. Without checking I believe its 4 jumps to Sylphs outpost from UK's HQ. Also to switch sides you first have to be on a side. As I understand it Sylph were blue to both UK and CVA before BUM arrived and started pursuing there own agenda. Perhaps UK, CVA and Sylph can confirm this?
This is correct. The change then proceeded as follows (chronological order):
- Sylph sets Ushra'Khan red, and notifies us. - Ushra'Khan sets Sylph red in response.
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.16 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Suicidal Sid Er mate if you ever manage to find 9UY I think you'll need to ask for directions from there. Your navigation skills are somewhat lacking. Without checking I believe its 4 jumps to Sylphs outpost from UK's HQ. Also to switch sides you first have to be on a side. As I understand it Sylph were blue to both UK and CVA before BUM arrived and started pursuing there own agenda. Perhaps UK, CVA and Sylph can confirm this?
I think the most pertinent part of this whole situation is SYLPH going mindless over the BUM people shooting them up. Funny thing is, its completely their own form of diplomacy that got them looked down upon after attacking UK.
It goes like this: SYLPH declared themselves the bastion of all that's non-partisan in the conflict between UK and CVA. That's all well and good.
UK, upon the disbanding of the majority of ISS allowed ex-ISS and even current ISS corps the same standings they enjoyed after everything came down. BUM took them up on the offer and started having 'conflicts' with certain members of the Providence community. CVA and SYLPH both became their targets, and while UK was fighting CVA, they held their non-partisan practice in the fight between SYLPH and BUM. They could be accused only of the wrong doing of copy-catting SYLPH diplomacy in the face of the situation at hand.
So SYLPH still had the same abilities to dock in UNITY as well as BUM pilots. Much like UK pilots could dock in the SYLPH station as could CVA.
The only problem here is that SYLPH didn't make nice enough with UK to get UK to arbitarily kick BUM out of their station and in turn, they got their shorts twisted and UK aren't their friends anymore.
The irony of this situation is STAGGERING.
As always, just my take on it, Cythrawl
P.S. Go cry emo kids.
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Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:14:00 -
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Funny to hear a cental defiance guy calling others emo
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.16 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn Funny to hear a cental defiance guy calling others emo
Eh, the only emo member might be Jaren Dax. Attempts to destroy his cache of black eye liner/fingernail polish, razor blades, and AFI CDs have met with failure so far though.
We shall not loose this battle.
Though I guess I've got a better outlook on the situation seeing as I've never lost a ship to BUM pilots, not like the guys who got ganked. But just because we still don't like your alliance, even though we never actually took the time to go after anybody, doesn't mean I can't tell the difference between right and stupid.
Do wish those after SYLPH good luck. Probably going to be disappointed when you loot their ships and all you find is bad poetry and a wardrobe from Hot Topic.
Cyth
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Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.17 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cythrawl
Originally by: Lilan Kahn Funny to hear a cental defiance guy calling others emo
Eh, the only emo member might be Jaren Dax. Attempts to destroy his cache of black eye liner/fingernail polish, razor blades, and AFI CDs have met with failure so far though.
We shall not loose this battle.
Though I guess I've got a better outlook on the situation seeing as I've never lost a ship to BUM pilots, not like the guys who got ganked. But just because we still don't like your alliance, even though we never actually took the time to go after anybody, doesn't mean I can't tell the difference between right and stupid.
Do wish those after SYLPH good luck. Probably going to be disappointed when you loot their ships and all you find is bad poetry and a wardrobe from Hot Topic.
Cyth
you mean, you ganked one of our pilots felt very good abut it smacked in local for a bit.
We go down to providence look what we found abunch of dude who braged abut killing a singel command ship?!?
Gankage starts up.
5 days later a convo beging me to stop killing you guys.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Munkeh Bannana
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Posted - 2007.05.17 09:30:00 -
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(stereotypical english response)
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cythrawl on 17/05/2007 13:28:30
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
you mean, you ganked one of our pilots felt very good abut it smacked in local for a bit.
We go down to providence look what we found abunch of dude who braged abut killing a singel command ship?!?
Gankage starts up.
5 days later a convo beging me to stop killing you guys.
Actually, I never was involved in any of that. I think the majority of the laughing came up after they looted that guy's vulture and found t1 fits and nothing else.
I kinda chuckled myself at that one, but nothing more.
As for the standings, I don't remember who finally found out you guys were ex-ISS helping UK, but it wasn't a matter of 'oh please, you're teh own, stop shooting zomg!' but more of one of those 'we're all on the same side, stuff happens, lets set blue and move on' sort of things. Then you wanted compensation...
We don't pay ransom to anyone to set standings no matter who you are. But we had no reason to step on UK's good graces by shooting you. We never actively pursued you afterwards.
Those who died did so because they didn't pay attention to operating rules in 0.0 and no pity is to be had for them loosing their ships.
Cythrawl
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Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
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Skirge
Minmatar Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn Funny to hear a cental defiance guy calling others emo
lol....I'm totally emo (and you canÆt spell central ), I whine and cry and cut myself daily. Just ask my members :p
But emo, it really is a strange word. What does it mean exactly?
"a term now broadly used to describe almost any form of guitar-driven alternative rock that expresses emotions beyond traditional punk's limited emotional palette of alienation and rage."
This is just one of the definitions I found, but I picked this one to be coy :D So letÆs break this down shall we?
Rock: The music I was listening to when I tackled a t1 fitted vulture in my vengeance.
Emotions: Free vulture kill? HELLZ YES! Who cares if I lose my vengeance tackling it! :D
Alienation: Finding a t1 fitted vulture all alone in a belt that doesn't watch local.
Rage: OMG THEY SHOT OUR NEWB, THIS MEANS WAR!!11 UK: DEFY is coming up to help us with our current conflict guys! :D "Hobos: We will shoot them if we see them UK, sorry no help for you because we are stubborn <3"
I guess we were both a little emo after that kill. We were filled we joy and happiness, while you were filled with anger and stubbornness! Hoorah!
Originally by: Lilan Kahn I like goats....and I do mean LIKE LIKE
Could have went the rest of the day without hearing that m8, but whatever floats your fancy. :)
As far as saying we left UK on bad standings that was quite to the contrary folks, I maintained constant communication with Maggot as well as the council after we left, and we continued to set UK and their new friendlies to positive when we were informed. Not to mention we've ventured into UK space on more then one occasion to break up hostile gate camps.
Mortim you don't know jack about me or my corporation other that what you've heard or read. Next time before you start making accusations you should talk to people and get your facts straight bud. Furthermore if you have something to say to me why don't you try saying it to my face when we were in a convo a month ago and you were being all nice like a good little stooge.
Want to talk about Sylph's organization and ambitions? How about them working with me to share the 0.0 system in question after we left UK and them assigning a non-sylph industrial corporation to it. We had worked out that our two corporations would share the system, however they told the ceo of the other corp that they had complete rights to ratting and mining for the system. Trying to incite conflict, or just more examples of your lack of organization and lack of communication? Oh and let's not forget the reason we actually left sylph. ôOk guys, we're going to have a vote about our firing policy in sylph space. Oh wow, an overwhelming majority wants NBSI. OH WELL! We're gonna do what we want, screw the vote :pö
Before you start running your mouth about my corporation, try looking over your alliances own faults stooge. Fly safe, your certainly not making any friends with your current actions up there.
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Manic Mole
VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.20 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cythrawl
Anyone remember ISS in Prov? SYLPH claimed a majority of that. SYLPH also took over the now-defunct COBRA corridor from 3GX to H-G way before that.
wait a second someone remembers COBRA Alliance?
as a member of the founding corp when we made Cobra we had such butiful dreams of building a station and bringing a new era of peace about in our constellation, and then a bug delited our allaice and someone ran off with half the posses, so we joined sylph as they seemed to share our ideals. and that's pritty much the entier story of Cobra. ---[sig starts here]--- a proud member of whatever allince i happen to be in at the time! eveything i say is my personal feeling and has no blar blar blar you get the idea. |
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