OMFG yet another "waaaah give alphas more stuff" thread... wait... whats this... an actual well thought out argument, that points out a legitimate concern?? with at least 1 suggestion that actually makes a little bit of sense and doesn't completely break the concept of alphas... am i living in bizzaro world somehow?

1) warp core stab 2's... I can't actually see a reason why alphas couldn't have access to this, unless the pre-requisites are too high, in which case it would be fairly simple to lower those. and since warp stabs are meh at best, even the t2 variety, I can't see many downsides to alphas having access to them.

2) NO CLOAKS!!!! this has been covered multiple times, but I will let it slide this time, since its a fairly minor part of the proposal.

3) racial industrial 3... can't actually see much of a problem with this, would allow alphas to do a little bit more space trucking, but is hardly a game breaking change compared to the options omega's have.

although you automatically loose ALL points for not posting in the right subforum.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270

So I know from reading these forums overall no one really likes space trucking you might say were not the most glorious of the space trades.

Its the standard long stretches of boredom punctuated by moments of shear terror. I LOVE IT!

My idea was to make the bonuses split to a generic industrial and the faction skill with faction being the specialized hold bonus and the generic bonus being the speed/agility bonus.

I have been playing EVE on and off since 2007. I have always gravitated to space trucking I spend roughly 80% of my time in high sec 20% low sec. With that said I have a bunch of experience blockade running I have ran hundreds of times.
So in late 2015 I discovered CCP has auto billed me on my account for 5 months without me catching it. I thought I cancelled the account but I guess not. I emailed CCP to try to get some kind of credit. They told me to go take a hike. So I did until last month. I discovered alpha clones so I resumed my space trucking figuring Ill get my skill points that I paid for this way.

Skill points yes but hauling NOPE!

So I know from reading these forums overall no one really likes space trucking you might say were not the most glorious of the space trades. With that said let me bring everyone up to date on what an alpha clone gets as far as hauling is concerned.


Your assets are:

Navigation Rigging
Navigation skills 3-4
Tech 1 shield tank fittings
Industrial Ship Command Skill 1 (your race)
Rogue Navigation Implants
Warp Core Stabilizer Tech 1
Tech 1 Hauler limited to your race.


There are three ways to blockade run.

1. Tank it with warp core stabilizers. (Which you cannot do in a alpha clone on account you have tech 1 shield fittings and tech 1 warp core stabilizers)

2. "Cloak out" of the star gate area then warp. This is the preferred method.(no cloaking tech 1 or 2 for Alpha Clones)

3. Run! I have never seen this proposed in forums but I have done it at least a hundred times successfully (not by choice).
(Alpha clones can nearly do this If you have multiple Tech 2 Inertia Stabilizers, Multiple Nanofiber Internal Structure, Navigation Rigging, Rouge Navigation Implants which alpha clones can get).

So if your still reading congrats the thrust of my argument is as follows.

CCP says alpha clones are designed to get a taste of all aspects of the games. Why give only your races Industrial ship command level 1 when every other aspect seems to get the primary skill to level 3 (Ship command in industrial gives agility which helps all 3 blockade running tactics). I will also point out Space Trucking can make more ISK then average is that why? As far as I can tell the CCP is telling alpha clones good luck on hauling the only way your running blockades is with your pod if your lucky. Why not increase ship command industrial to 3, Industrial only alpha cloak fitting, or a Industrial only tech 2 Shield hardeners and Warp Core Stabilizer fittings. Without one of these my gaming amounts to getting killed every time I see a blockade which has left a bad taste in my mouth.

PS. If I were CCP increase Industrial Ship Commands in all races to 3 or at least one race. Running from a blockade by beating their target acquisition with your agility and speed is priceless.

OMFG yet another "waaaah give alphas more stuff" thread... wait... whats this... an actual well thought out argument, that points out a legitimate concern?? with at least 1 suggestion that actually makes a little bit of sense and doesn't completely break the concept of alphas... am i living in bizzaro world somehow?

1) warp core stab 2's... I can't actually see a reason why alphas couldn't have access to this, unless the pre-requisites are too high, in which case it would be fairly simple to lower those. and since warp stabs are meh at best, even the t2 variety, I can't see many downsides to alphas having access to them.

2) NO CLOAKS!!!! this has been covered multiple times, but I will let it slide this time, since its a fairly minor part of the proposal.

3) racial industrial 3... can't actually see much of a problem with this, would allow alphas to do a little bit more space trucking, but is hardly a game breaking change compared to the options omega's have.

although you automatically loose ALL points for not posting in the right subforum.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270

There are three ways to blockade run.
1. Tank it with warp core stabilizers. (Which you cannot do in a alpha clone on account you have tech 1 shield fittings and tech 1 warp core stabilizers)

2. "Cloak out" of the star gate area then warp. This is the preferred method.(no cloaking tech 1 or 2 for Alpha Clones)

3. Run! I have never seen this proposed in forums but I have done it at least a hundred times successfully (not by choice).
(Alpha clones can nearly do this If you have multiple Tech 2 Inertia Stabilizers, Multiple Nanofiber Internal Structure, Navigation Rigging, Rouge Navigation Implants which alpha clones can get).

Can you give a good reason against t1 cloaks? Cause I've never seen one.

I apologize that you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth from this game.

1. Tank it with warp core stabilizers. (Which you cannot do in a alpha clone on account you have tech 1 shield fittings and tech 1 warp core stabilizers)

planning my trip manually, and paying few mils (or just my experience) to an alpha-scout

So i have paid for the game over a dozen months and never played it due to cancellations mysteriously not going through. So to those who say I'm not getting my moneys worth didn't read the post.

I discovered alpha clones so I resumed my space trucking

Entitled whine

Can you give a good reason against t1 cloaks? Cause I've never seen one.

Free AFK cloaking alts everywhere would be bad.

I apologize that you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth from this game.

#nopoorspls

For people that assume CCP will stop billing their account when they cancel subscription, its not so easy. You had to cancel auto billing also. How it is now I dont know, but it was so earlier.

CCP are greedy bastards and there was reason why they would dont stop autobilling automatically, but make you check the option. Its all about the money.

For people that assume CCP will stop billing their account when they cancel subscription, its not so easy. You had to cancel auto billing also. How it is now I dont know, but it was so earlier.

CCP are greedy bastards and there was reason why they would dont stop autobilling automatically, but make you check the option. Its all about the money.

I apologize that you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth from this game.

Money moving from your credit card to someone's pocket has to be shut down at both ends of that pipe.
For a business to be all about the money is not news.
Adjust clothing before toilet, pls.

Modern translation:
#nocontentpls

Edit: The subscription model isn't this game at its worst. The design we've ended up with where you have to throw a lot more than $15/month at it to be "competitive" (or #notpoor) is.

Total rubbish. You only need real life cash to be competitive if you're a total scrub without 2 brain cells to rub together, and even then it usually doesn't make you any more competitive.

And a little patience.

Except, look at this from the point of view of someone who's never touched EVE before. On the launcher, one of the first things a newbie is going to see-before that NPE CCP keep working on!-is "Flex your Plex/Unlock a world of advantages with Plex." What's this "world of advantages?" Does that mean that if I don't buy Plex, I'm at a *dis*advantage? Without any prior knowledge of the game, they're going to think this is another one of those free-to-play/pay-to-cheat whale traps, and a lot of them go straight for the door because they expect the game to cheat them out of their life savings in pursuit of those "I win" moments. The rest of the free-to-play market has taught a lot of them to be positively terrified of any game which tries to sell them an advantage. They know that's especially powerful and dangerous in any cutthroat PvP game, which EVE is.

Perception is important.

Modern translation:
#nocontentpls

Edit: The subscription model isn't this game at its worst. The design we've ended up with where you have to throw a lot more than $15/month at it to be "competitive" (or #notpoor) is.

Cancel once, not enough? Cancel twice, enough? Or maybe not? They would make you cancel everyday, to show them "you are perfectly sure", if they could. I see those mitigation mechanics everywhere. God knows how bad it would be if these things would not be regulated by law. Lifetime subscriptions without the option to resign?

Don't move the goalposts, you literally said the game requires more than $15 a month to be competitive which it does not.

Not everyone dreams of being that awesome subcap solo PvP guy.

Some of them dream of being that industrial mogul or a capship pilot, which means.... oh. Right. Alts.

Or one account and friends. This is a multiplayer game after all.

It's a good idea, but not allowed. It's actually a bannable offense.

Just get a sub, mate. In U.S. dollars, it comes to $.5 per day. If you play just two hours per day, that's 25 cents per hour. Some comparisons:
-Work at job at (U.S.) minimum wage: $7.25 per hour.
-Buy a $20 game on Steam and finish it in 30 hours: $0.66 cents per hour. (If you kind of suck at finishing games like I do, then it takes longer, so more bargain per hour. Of course, if the game sucks (and most do) and you only spend a few hours playing... crap, now you're into like $4.00 per hour or something).
-Go to a cheapish bar, buy a beer, and drink it in 0.5 hours: $6.00 per hour.
-Buy a Starbucks coffee, get to your desk, take the lid off, and knock it over: approx. $90.00 per hour (depending on how may deci-seconds it took to tump over).

It only takes about US $0.5 per day to play Eve. Best deal around. It will keep you off the streets or highways, and iIf you're married, it might keep you out of bars. Which might be a good thing for home harmony and happiness.

It's a good idea, but not allowed. It's actually a bannable offense.

Just get a sub, mate. In U.S. dollars, it comes to $.5 per day. If you play just two hours per day, that's 25 cents per hour. Some comparisons:
-Work at job at (U.S.) minimum wage: $7.25 per hour.
-Buy a $20 game on Steam and finish it in 30 hours: $0.66 cents per hour. (If you kind of suck at finishing games like I do, then it takes longer, so more bargain per hour. Of course, if the game sucks (and most do) and you only spend a few hours playing... crap, now you're into like $4.00 per hour or something).
-Go to a cheapish bar, buy a beer, and drink it in 0.5 hours: $6.00 per hour.
-Buy a Starbucks coffee, get to your desk, take the lid off, and knock it over: approx. $90.00 per hour (depending on how may deci-seconds it took to tump over).

It only takes about US $0.5 per day to play Eve. Best deal around. It will keep you off the streets or highways, and iIf you're married, it might keep you out of bars. Which might be a good thing for home harmony and happiness.

Trust me, we read your post.

Also, I'm sorry your extended trail gives you a taste of what you can do instead of giving you the entire cake for free.

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Having no cloak makes it more risky but I do haul through lowsec and I have lost only a few ships so far. I do not fly the larger indy in lowsec though my current setup hauls around 8k cargo to maximize my chances to escape offenders on the way. That means I do not make huge profit on the run but well I do it for fun or from need, not to get enough ISK for PLEX. Maybe thats your problem - we have to accept that not every activity pays off the same. If you want to earn for PLEX you need to do something that only handful of players are willing to do (risk). And while you could haul a 1b conctract to make a 100mil profit, it is very likely you will get suicide ganked in high sec and there is not much you can do about it with alpha clone (note I do not say it's not possible to avoid it). So thats also not the way...