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Morn Judith
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.07 15:42:00 -
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As the title states, I'm seeking everyone's opinion as to whether or not it's worth if for me to take all the Learning skills to leve 5. I have an Industry alt, and it will take some considerable time to take the Advanced to the top. Obviously I will take the Basics to level 5, but should I invest the time for 1 more point per attribute?
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Nather Ampraphel
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:15:00 -
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RTFM ( Read the Funky M_sticky )
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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:50:00 -
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What Nather said.
Breaking the guide down is simple though. Take all of your basic learning skills to 4. The only exception may be charisma depending on how much you need that.
Then take the advanced to level 4. Once the advanced get there train your basics to level 5 now that they have a reduced time on them.
I remember a statement being made in that guide saying that you can take the advanced to level 5 but it will most likely set you back a couple months training in anything else.
The overall attribute increase you get greatly reduces your skill time for everything else. A definite must read for newbies.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.07 17:24:00 -
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Not THIS type of question again !
Do you want to play forever and keep skilling up for many years to come?
Then YES, train them all to L5.
Do you have a precise goal, skill-wise ?
Then it only depends on your goal SP total in relevant skills wether it's worth training (any of) them to L5.
For that matter, even L5 basics might not be worth the trouble if your SP target is low enough.
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Divideby0
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Divideby0 on 08/05/2007 16:35:00
Building on what Atika said, It really depends on what you want to do.
If Eve is just a passing hobby to you, then train them to III or IV to help you out. IF you feel you are going to be here for the long haul (ie: years) then yes, levl V is worth it.
I trained the basics to IV and the advanced to III. Then i recently got to the point where my shortest skill training is about 8 hours, so now I train my learning skills up.
It was probably not the most efficeint, but who wants to train learning skills when you really wanna learn heavy drones, medium hybrid turrets, or battlecruisers.
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Tarazed Aquilae
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Posted - 2007.05.08 19:19:00 -
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Training all 5 of the advanced skills to V will probably take about 10 weeks or a bit longer. (With good implants.)
It will give you perhaps a 4-5% increase in training times. (The lower your starting skills are the more benefit you get.) So, you might start seeing a benefit in around four years. Training two of them up to 5 (for a specialized character) might have some benefits in about a year and a halfą probably more because, if you are specialized, you probably started with high scores in those attributes.
And, you probably have a goal in mind besides getting the most total skillpoints you can before the servers shut down for the last time. Since itĘs not going to take four years for you to max out mining, or industry, or Gallente combat skills, or whatever, all training to V will do is set you back about 10 weeks.
Translation: It ainĘt worth it.
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Jarjar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.05.08 19:47:00 -
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Tarazed: Totally agreed. 5/4 is worth it, 5/5 isn't. The ONLY time it's worth it, at this point, and in my opinion, is if your only goal is to have as many skillpoints as possible.
Personally, I prefer to train skills that are useful in combat now over having more skillpoints or saving a day on Carrier level 5 in two years.
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Misanth
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 09/05/2007 06:59:14
Exactly what people posted above..
I found myself on my 2 accounts, both are combat pilots (pvp/amarr, pve/caldari), to train all basics to 5, and advanced to 4 - except charisma, which I left basic on 4 and advanced on 3 - as I only use it for Command Ship and a few social/trade skills to lv2-3.
I'm glad today that I trained all learning to 5/4dv in early days but left out charisma so I could benefit from the new system where you only need lv4 basic to get advanced. Damn nifty for new players.
Might be something to consider. If you are just going for trading, there might be some skill you won't use much at all (like me, charisma), then just get 4-3 or 4-4 in it. Even if you count on playing for years the lv5 would be such a waste, while lv4 is a negligent investment.
Edit/Example: Yesterday I counted how much time it'd take to get into the Command Ship. I have Charisma 3/0 on this character, and just need Leadership 5/Warfare Link Specialist 4. A fast calculation told me that training Charisma 4+ Adv3 before training L5/WLS4 would end up in the same training time as if I would skip it. Almost exactly. And that is the only Charisma I will ever need as this is a PvP pilot.
It can be a waste to go past the 4-3's.
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Cryselle
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Posted - 2007.05.09 09:29:00 -
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Nothing gives me such a good feeling while looking at this...
But to be honest, not worth to go there.
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Katarina Hetiako
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:40:00 -
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Hang on...
I'm pretty sure when I trained the advance learning skills you needed tha basic learning skills at LVL5 first... am I mistaken or did CCP make it easier for the noobs?
Anyway to answer the OP if you expect to paly Eve for several years then you'll find training Advanced learning skills to LVL5 very useful.
Yup, I'm an alt... if only you could see my main... he's so strong and tough! |
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Soren
PAK
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:58:00 -
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i did, and don't regret
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Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:58:00 -
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I think 5/4 is worth it. I'm even thinking 5/5 may be worth it. Not for the learning boost particularly, but for the sense of accomplishment. Sort of the epean of the skill crowd... And, frankly, if you're a miner like my other account, you just don't really care much about skill training once you can fly the mighty hulk to its maximum glory... As long as he's mining his quarter-million m3/day of the best he can find... I don't care if he can fly an interceptor, or a dreadnaught or a mothership...
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Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.10 00:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Katarina Hetiako
Hang on...
I'm pretty sure when I trained the advance learning skills you needed tha basic learning skills at LVL5 first... am I mistaken or did CCP make it easier for the noobs?
Anyway to answer the OP if you expect to paly Eve for several years then you'll find training Advanced learning skills to LVL5 very useful.
Nope. It's Level IV. Logged on to check.
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Sanaya Sien
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron
Originally by: Katarina Hetiako
Hang on...
I'm pretty sure when I trained the advance learning skills you needed tha basic learning skills at LVL5 first... am I mistaken or did CCP make it easier for the noobs?
Anyway to answer the OP if you expect to paly Eve for several years then you'll find training Advanced learning skills to LVL5 very useful.
Nope. It's Level IV. Logged on to check.
They changed it from V to IV in the first Revelations patch.
Originally by: Wrangler
I will sit in a corner, shiver and possibly cry until the madness is over.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:37:00 -
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Depends on how old ( in eve ) you plan on becoming, I'm going on 4 years now. Soon having trained those 5.376 mil skillpoints will have been worth it, and I'll be outgrowing those that didn't train em to 5.
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Dragon Lord
Caldari
research inc
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:32:00 -
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Well i did it to, and i dont regret it either but +5s realy help with the pain of taking them to lvl5. Still its a great feeling that you will never need to train another learning skill again.
Unless u get an alt or CCP do the unthinkable and release tier 3 learning.
Im planning on playng for a long time and while combat skills are my main aim, having a ton of sp is nice 2.
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ryoko kamasozei
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.05.11 02:40:00 -
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I would tell most anyone going to play at least 6 months to take all basics to IV and advanced to III.
Then use EveMon and put together a 4-5 month plan or whatever you feel is appropriate. Much of your plan will change as you play the game and realize the value of certain things, such as EWAR, or suddenly realize you like manufacturing and want to train that, or whatever.
EveMon will likely suggest to take 1-2 of your advanced skills up to level IV to save time (assuming you've plugged in at least +3 implants to your EveMon calculations).
Beyond that, I'd only recommend training advanced IVs and/or basic Vs if you decide you are going to be a LONG-term player of a year or more. Even if something saves you, say, a day over the course of a year, it's not worth the 4-day or whatever delay up front to train the learning skill. Decreasing marginal returns.
Summary: get basic to IV and advanced to III (charisma only if you gonna train leadership/trading/etc.)... beyond that only train if you can have a good reason for it and are committed to playing long-term. Don't forget you're likely to fairly readily be able to afford a set of +3 implants within a couple months of playing... this reduces the marginal benefit of each additional level of the various learning skills training (percentage-benefit-wise).
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DethApostle
Amarr
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:51:00 -
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Well it all depends on if its your active main or an alt.
When i created this character it was back in the last 'power of 2' offer and he spent his first 3.5 months sat in a station doing the learning skills (and cybernetics) while i played another character.
Now if it was a main from the start... i think i'd have probably topped myself at teh thought of sitting in a station for the first 3.5months! So the training would have been different.
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Arachidamia
Matari People's Front
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Posted - 2007.05.24 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: ryoko kamasozei
I would tell most anyone going to play at least 6 months to take all basics to IV and advanced to III.
Definately. It's not hard at all to go 4/3 and the payoff is huge. Beyond that, it depends on what you really plan to do.
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Pussey Spankratchet
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:19:00 -
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If you were buying (legaly with ISK) would you prefer to buy and possibly pay more for a character with maxed out attributes or one that might have decent skills but be a ***** to train? Which one would be easier to sell? Or do you think it makes no diffference at all?
I know what i'd want to buy and I also know which one I'd be more confident in selling!
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Swaag
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:40:00 -
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I found it helped to think of it this way....just train what you like/need during the day, but switch to a Learning Skill when you sleep. You get a level of satisfaction for the learning growth, but the Char development of critical skills keeps moving at a pace that keeps your immediate goals in grasp. If it's a new skill level V of some sort, I might skip the Learning skill at night when 1 day away.
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Seb Tores
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:14:00 -
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did it on both chars,worth every minute of it
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