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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:04:00 -
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The following is from the EVE Knowledge base.
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A Fleet Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members in the fleet that have an active squadron and wing in the same system as the Fleet Commander.
Note the Fleet Commander does not have an active squadron or wing so he does not get his own bonuses.
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WTF!!!! Why would anybody want to after spending months not get "any" bonuses, even his own, to sit in fleet command? OR has this been changed and not updated in the knowledgebase?
WTF!! Plz explain!
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:05:00 -
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WTF should be saved for real WTF situations.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:22:00 -
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Gangs have been "fixed". Like how the vet does with your dog. 
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Black Bands
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
Gangs have been "fixed". Like how the vet does with your dog.
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:07:00 -
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Ok, seriously. Does anybody know if it works or not?
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Maefly
Bottomfeeders Inc
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Maefly on 07/05/2007 19:11:40
Any leadership position in the fleet does not get his own bonuses. Squad commanders don't get their own bonuses either. I think each squad commander gets the wing commanders bonuses and wing commander gets fleet commander bonuses but I am unsure if they trickle down and stack.
The point of training them up is so that the fleet gets the bonuses....and of course the epeen wagging that inevitably occurs when the FC asks "ok, who here has leadership lvl5" and the rabble-rabble of Teamspeak responses "I have Wing commander lvl 1, I have lvl 2, I have WC lvl 73849275" - all the while the enemy fleet is flanking and then wtfbbqpwnage.
Oh and did I mention the fleet skills are great for lag when your fleet jumps in and the system needs to recalc all the bonuses.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:14:00 -
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Fleet cOmmanders(no Bonuses) bonuses Go to all Wings and Squads including Squad leaders and Wing Commanders
wing Commanders(Fleet commander Bonuses) Give bonuses to all Squad leaders and Squads
Squad Leaders (Fleet and wing commander bonuses) give all bonuses to Squad Members
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Black Bands
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Maefly
Oh and did I mention the fleet skills are great for lag when your fleet jumps in and the system needs to recalc all the bonuses.
actually it's when you uncloak, so it recalculates the whole thing for each person who uncloaks. I'm not sure if it only does this for people in that gang or for everybody who's in system or ongrid.
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:25:00 -
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As I stated before.. .why does the fleet commander NOT get his own bonuses but wing commanders do?
From the following page:
https://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=166
# A Fleet Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members in the fleet that have an active squadron and wing in the same system as the Fleet Commander.
Note the Fleet Commander does not have an active squadron or wing so he does not get his own bonuses.
# A Wing Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members of his wing, including himself.
# A Squadron Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members of his squadron, including himself.
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So, what you two just said is wrong, even wing and squad get their own bonuses.. so why do the fleet not? Kinda lame if you ask me!!!
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:16:00 -
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Bad coding
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:19:00 -
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You've almost got it right.... Fleet Commanders Can give out bonuses to one Wing per level of Fleet Command.
Wing Commanders can give out bonuses to one Squad per level of Wing Command.
Squad Commanders can give out bonuses to 2 Squad Members per level of Leadership.
Bonuses will accumulate the highest number in the chain for those who are in Squads. As was posted, Wing and Squad commanders are supposed to get their own bonuses.
But yeah... it is cheesy for the Fleet Commaner to not get any bonuses.
On the other hand, you get to do fun stuff like warp your entire Fleet to an enemy pos to get wasted, or handle invites for the whole fleet cuz you get lazy Wing and Squad commanders, or spend all your time moving people around because a Squad Commander died and logged and all his Squad is no longer getting bonuses.
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Donathan Slade
As I stated before.. .why does the fleet commander NOT get his own bonuses but wing commanders do?
From the following page:
https://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=166
# A Fleet Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members in the fleet that have an active squadron and wing in the same system as the Fleet Commander.
Note the Fleet Commander does not have an active squadron or wing so he does not get his own bonuses.
# A Wing Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members of his wing, including himself.
# A Squadron Commander will grant his leadership bonuses to all members of his squadron, including himself.
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So, what you two just said is wrong, even wing and squad get their own bonuses.. so why do the fleet not? Kinda lame if you ask me!!!
yepp that is right. You don't need fleet commander unless is realy large gang.
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:49:00 -
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Well I guess if you have a fleet large enough that you actually need a fleet commander, then the effects of all the bonuses he's giving out to so many ships are probably much greater than his individual contribution in the fight could be.
Most generals don't kill many enemy soldiers. They focus on directing units and countering enemy strategy rather than engaging in combat themselves.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:53:00 -
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A fleet commander gets his own bonuses.
Or at least I get my own bonuses when acting as a fleet commander.
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Marrano Cardosa
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Posted - 2007.05.07 21:12:00 -
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Well, I haven't tested it lately, but fleet commanders DID get there own bonuses. I don't yet have the skills to run a fleet, so I run wings or squads, and those commanders clearly DO get their own bonuses (just did it Sunday). Its been a couple of months since I tested the bonuses for the Fleet Commander though.
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Well I guess if you have a fleet large enough that you actually need a fleet commander, then the effects of all the bonuses he's giving out to so many ships are probably much greater than his individual contribution in the fight could be.
Most generals don't kill many enemy soldiers. They focus on directing units and countering enemy strategy rather than engaging in combat themselves.
But thats not the point, you spend 3 months of skill training to just sit in fleet command and don't get anything from it?
Why not just stop at wing commander and "get" the bonuses. I mean, who wants to spend time on skills and not profit from it in some waY?
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Donathan Slade
Originally by: Malcanis
Well I guess if you have a fleet large enough that you actually need a fleet commander, then the effects of all the bonuses he's giving out to so many ships are probably much greater than his individual contribution in the fight could be.
Most generals don't kill many enemy soldiers. They focus on directing units and countering enemy strategy rather than engaging in combat themselves.
But thats not the point, you spend 3 months of skill training to just sit in fleet command and don't get anything from it?
Why not just stop at wing commander and "get" the bonuses. I mean, who wants to spend time on skills and not profit from it in some waY?
You do get something from it. You get to command a fleet of dozens of ships which are significantly more powerful because of your contribution. Assuming you're in a command ship with 3 (or even 4? Is that possible?) warfare links, and have level 4 or 5 in the appropriate skills, and a mindlink implant, your fleet will be a LOT faster and tougher because of you.
True, you won't get any killmails. If that's what's important to you, you should be training for skills to be a combat soldier, not a fleet commander. But giving multiple advanced gang bonuses to 40 or 50 ships will make for more difference than any ship short of a super-capital could. You will be welcome in any large PvP alliance with that skillset. You will also be a primary target, since destroying your ship will inflict a huge blow to your fleet. Avoiding PvP should be a priority for a fleet commander.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Donathan Slade
Originally by: Malcanis
Well I guess if you have a fleet large enough that you actually need a fleet commander, then the effects of all the bonuses he's giving out to so many ships are probably much greater than his individual contribution in the fight could be.
Most generals don't kill many enemy soldiers. They focus on directing units and countering enemy strategy rather than engaging in combat themselves.
well worded
But thats not the point, you spend 3 months of skill training to just sit in fleet command and don't get anything from it?
Why not just stop at wing commander and "get" the bonuses. I mean, who wants to spend time on skills and not profit from it in some waY?
You do get something from it. You get to command a fleet of dozens of ships which are significantly more powerful because of your contribution. Assuming you're in a command ship with 3 (or even 4? Is that possible?) warfare links, and have level 4 or 5 in the appropriate skills, and a mindlink implant, your fleet will be a LOT faster and tougher because of you.
True, you won't get any killmails. If that's what's important to you, you should be training for skills to be a combat soldier, not a fleet commander. But giving multiple advanced gang bonuses to 40 or 50 ships will make for more difference than any ship short of a super-capital could. You will be welcome in any large PvP alliance with that skillset. You will also be a primary target, since destroying your ship will inflict a huge blow to your fleet. Avoiding PvP should be a priority for a fleet commander.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 08/05/2007 01:25:20
Originally by: Malcanis
You do get something from it. You get to command a fleet of dozens of ships which are significantly more powerful because of your contribution. Assuming you're in a command ship with 3 (or even 4? Is that possible?) warfare links, and have level 4 or 5 in the appropriate skills, and a mindlink implant, your fleet will be a LOT faster and tougher because of you.
Fleet Command ships, despite their small gang tanking capabilities are fragile, especially when running command links. Its in fact very easy to kill them in fleet situations. Ironically, the added effect of most of the fleet modules decreases greatly as gang size increases.
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 08/05/2007 01:25:20
Originally by: Malcanis
You do get something from it. You get to command a fleet of dozens of ships which are significantly more powerful because of your contribution. Assuming you're in a command ship with 3 (or even 4? Is that possible?) warfare links, and have level 4 or 5 in the appropriate skills, and a mindlink implant, your fleet will be a LOT faster and tougher because of you.
Fleet Command ships, despite their small gang tanking capabilities are fragile, especially when running command links. Its in fact very easy to kill them in fleet situations. Ironically, the added effect of most of the fleet modules decreases greatly as gang size increases.
Good point. Sustaining that huge cap drain means that you're all but helpless in any serious fight. The more reason for a Command-ship flyin' FC not to delude himself that he should be pewpewing.
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