The point of t3 strategic cruisers is not power, but versatility. As noted by devs, they should not be better than dedicated ships, but they should be able to fill many of their various roles.

In the coming t3 balance, many of the current abilities and stats of t3 crusers will be nerfed, and rightfully so. However, their ability to fill multiple roles should be emphasised. One of the ways to do this should be to let strategic cruisers refit in space directly from their cargo bays, without having to use a mobile depot and the such. This will help the lone wolves using them immensely, because without a mobile depot their cargo bays will become free to carry alternative fits. Timers can be utilised to make sure this is not exploited.

What say you?

The limitation on the refits is there for a reason. It would be horribly overpowered otherwise and would be abused to hell by large fleets.

As noted in the OP, timers can be used to prevent this (allowing for only one refit per several minutes, for example - maybe triggered by accessing a specialised refitting bay).
The only benefit this should bring to a pilot is ease of use, plus some extra cargo space.

Is it OK to change out subs via mobile depot? I would say sure, but only if you are the only ship on grid. Changing the configuration of the ship should take time and prevent you from doing anything but refitting subs. I'd say if you are pointed or in a warp disruption bubble - no swappy.

I actually think mobile depots should be put on a list of things to consider removing from the game tbh.

This sounds like a reasonable mechanism to minimise abuse. It can be applied to refitting without a depot as well.

For this to be reasonable the hull configuration would need to be fixed to however many highs/meds/lows/drone bay and the subsystems give % boosts to dps, reps etc alongside other effects such as drone bay, nullification etc.

On top of this the maximum dps, reps, tank etc would need to be pretty much limited to the best in class tech II hull for each. In this case you could have the dps of a deimos, but also the drawbacks, but also could reconfigure to the eWar capabilities of a lachesis etc.

To do this would need to mean carrying the modules in hold and therefore meaning a tech III carrying enough modules for say 3 configs should be putting 3 x the ISK in space whilst only having the utility of 1/3 of that ISK available.

This could be achieved by making the subsystems behave as scripted modules. The 'scripts' would be created from tech III goods and would basically be data chips that can be loaded to reconfigure the focus of the subsystem. So the Drone Focus Chip would boost drone power on a proteus much like the Guristas bonus. Switch to the Hybrids Focus Chip then you get dps boost on hybrids with a corresponding decrease in speed/resists/whatever.

The Focus Chips should be about as expensive as the current subsystems to keep the Tech III market relatively stable.

This should give greater flexibility in the hulls but without the currently OP nature they have in certain configs

CCP can't seem to put an AB bonus on my enyo during the AF balance pass and you want all this to happen? What you speak of is a complete rework of T3, not a balance pass. It's too complex. I would prefer that CCP pulls off a reasonable balancing act and not redesign T3 into a whole new set of problems.

How would you address that my subsystem swap took away 2 high slots and gave me +1 mid and +1 low slots??


How do you prevent me (read as everyone in small gang pvp) from throwing on my cloaky and nullifier subs, adding a few wcs and leaving any fight that isn't going my way?


Agreeing with my opinion is always great for my e-ego, but you need to address the real problems I presented.

How would you address that my subsystem swap took away 2 high slots and gave me +1 mid and +1 low slots??

How do you prevent me (read as everyone in small gang pvp) from throwing on my cloaky and nullifier subs, adding a few wcs and leaving any fight that isn't going my way?

The point of t3 strategic cruisers is not power, but versatility. As noted by devs, they should not be better than dedicated ships, but they should be able to fill many of their various roles.

In the coming t3 balance, many of the current abilities and stats of t3 crusers will be nerfed, and rightfully so. However, their ability to fill multiple roles should be emphasised. One of the ways to do this should be to let strategic cruisers refit in space directly from their cargo bays, without having to use a mobile depot and the such. This will help the lone wolves using them immensely, because without a mobile depot their cargo bays will become free to carry alternative fits. Timers can be utilised to make sure this is not exploited.

What say you?

No.

What nerf do you think CCP should apply to the entire ship to counter for such a buff since they are already perceived as overpowered without being able to freely refit without a fitting service?

I think that they should make t3 ship slightly inferior to dedicated t2 ships - a bit less dps than hacs, a bit less scan strength than covops, and so on. I think that this is already being worked on in the coming rebalance that ccp mentioned in fanfest. My suggestion is not making t3 cruisers that much stronger, just easier to work with as a multi-role ships, so I do not think a special extra nerf is necessary.

They are alraedy supposed to be below T2 in their dedicated roles so that state will already balanced if we ever reach it. What you propose a a blatan buff to the ship so it should be countered by a nerf unless your goat is a thinly veiled "Make sure my ship is still OP after the long needed re-balance" request.

As far as I know, this is not currently the case. Tengus, for example, seem to out-perform almost all other subcaps on many pve situations, the Proteus' dps matches that of several battleships, and so on. My personal goal, if you ask, is to have a lovely Legion that can go from highsec to null, do some pve signature sites there and come back - something I can't currently do because with the necessary modules, subsystems and mobile depot I have no cargo space left for loot. I assume that after the coming rebalance it will not perform as well as it does now, and I find it understandable.

As far as I know, this is not currently the case. Tengus, for example, seem to out-perform almost all other subcaps on many pve situations, the Proteus' dps matches that of several battleships, and so on. My personal goal, if you ask, is to have a lovely Legion that can go from highsec to null, do some pve signature sites there and come back - something I can't currently do because with the necessary modules, subsystems and mobile depot I have no cargo space left for loot. I assume that after the coming rebalance it will not perform as well as it does now, and I find it understandable.

They are currently not balanced so you can't base your request for more power as a counter to the upcoming nerf. Once they get back in line to where they are supposed to be, then we can talk about giving them more options at some cost to be defined then and there.

CCP has said many times that fitting is supposed to be a strategic choice, not a tactical choice.

That is correct. With tactical destroyers we are able to change our ships every few seconds. I think that with strategic cruisers we should be able to do so every few minutes.

Tech 3 -cruisers are already special enough.

In the talk in fanfest the devs said that people do not utilise the versatility of t3 cruisers as much as they want them to - they just make different copies to suit their needs. My suggestion is a step toward solving this problem.

If players do not want to make use of some configurations why is that a problem?

No, but if players do not change their t3s configuration at all and prefer to have severalof them instead, one for each role, than it is a problem.