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Ardan Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:00:00 - [61] So basicaly, Ms. Char, you are saying that: Electus Matari are the breast plate of freedom, covering our heart. For though our heart lies not with the government it is ever with the people. We of Ushra'Khan are the sword of freedom. We strike hard and we strike often and we are a deadly weapon. Fimbulwinter are the dagger in the back of the slaver scum. Just as deadly, but without the sword to keep the attention, the dagger is less effective. We each have our part to play. We each do what we see as must be done. For myself, I could not fight the war I fight as effectivly and with a clear consiance without knowing that you are there to guard our kin. Fimbulwinter would have a much harder time disrupting comerce and attacking pro slaver politics if it were not for UK keeping the main froces of CVA and other such scum busy. UK would have a harder time of it if our enemies did not have to keep one eye out for the dagger from the shadows. Though devided in our tactics we are united in our beliefs, in our cause there is no doubt. Our people will be free. Or amarr will burn. Maybe it will burn anyway. Possibly it is the will of god that it burn. Purification by fire may be the onley way to save the people of amarr. I dont know, but I will try it. "Let them hate us as long as they Fear us." Colligula
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Ardan So basicaly, Ms. Char, you are saying that: Electus Matari are the breast plate of freedom, covering our heart. For though our heart lies not with the government it is ever with the people. We of Ushra'Khan are the sword of freedom. We strike hard and we strike often and we are a deadly weapon. Fimbulwinter are the dagger in the back of the slaver scum. Just as deadly, but without the sword to keep the attention, the dagger is less effective. We each have our part to play. We each do what we see as must be done. For myself, I could not fight the war I fight as effectivly and with a clear consiance without knowing that you are there to guard our kin. Fimbulwinter would have a much harder time disrupting comerce and attacking pro slaver politics if it were not for UK keeping the main froces of CVA and other such scum busy. UK would have a harder time of it if our enemies did not have to keep one eye out for the dagger from the shadows. Though devided in our tactics we are united in our beliefs, in our cause there is no doubt. A concise and poetic summation - this is going on the wall of my office. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:33:00 - [63] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/06/2007 15:31:59 Originally by: Ardan Electus Matari are the breast plate of freedom, covering our heart. For though our heart lies not with the government it is ever with the people. We of Ushra'Khan are the sword of freedom. We strike hard and we strike often and we are a deadly weapon. Fimbulwinter are the dagger in the back of the slaver scum. Just as deadly, but without the sword to keep the attention, the dagger is less effective. PIE are the purifying laser pistol that makes your dagger, sword and breastplate obsolete. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:39:00 - [64] Originally by: Rodj Blake PIE are the purifying laser pistol that makes your dagger, sword and breastplate obsolete. Scagga chuckles Delictum 23216 Official forums
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:17:00 - [65] Edited by: Redbad on 21/06/2007 17:16:23 Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/06/2007 15:31:59 Originally by: Ardan Electus Matari are the breast plate of freedom, covering our heart. For though our heart lies not with the government it is ever with the people. We of Ushra'Khan are the sword of freedom. We strike hard and we strike often and we are a deadly weapon. Fimbulwinter are the dagger in the back of the slaver scum. Just as deadly, but without the sword to keep the attention, the dagger is less effective. PIE are the purifying laser pistol that makes your dagger, sword and breastplate obsolete. Witty, I must compliment you on that. But we both know its nothing more then that ... witty. So, now we are trying humor in this summit, heard any good jokes lately, sir? join us today!
Ardan Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:57:00 - [66] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/06/2007 15:31:59 PIE are the purifying laser pistol that makes your dagger, sword and breastplate obsolete. Yet with, sticks, stones and later through the use of old fashion chemical propelled projectiles we won our freedom against your "Purifying laser pistol". Odd is it not? That we, the inferior race of sub humans, useing outdated technology did infact win our freedom from the great fleets of amarr. We the subhumans that need to be enslaved to please your god by some "Miricle" where able to defeat numericaly and technologicaly superior forces by useing some of the oldest weapons known to man. How could this be? How could we win against a riteous, technologicaly advanced, numericaly superior fleet? Sounds like a bonafide mirical to me. Amazeing how god wants us to be enslaved, yet he let us have the strength to gain our freedom. Strange... "Let them hate us as long as they Fear us." Colligula
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:24:00 - [67] Originally by: Ardan Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/06/2007 15:31:59 PIE are the purifying laser pistol that makes your dagger, sword and breastplate obsolete. Yet with, sticks, stones and later through the use of old fashion chemical propelled projectiles we won our freedom against your "Purifying laser pistol". Odd is it not? That we, the inferior race of sub humans, useing outdated technology did infact win our freedom from the great fleets of amarr. We the subhumans that need to be enslaved to please your god by some "Miricle" where able to defeat numericaly and technologicaly superior forces by useing some of the oldest weapons known to man. How could this be? How could we win against a riteous, technologicaly advanced, numericaly superior fleet? Sounds like a bonafide mirical to me. Amazeing how god wants us to be enslaved, yet he let us have the strength to gain our freedom. Strange... Or it could just be that some of you escaped because our minds were on other things at the time. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ardan Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/06/2007 15:31:59 PIE are the purifying laser pistol that makes your dagger, sword and breastplate obsolete. Yet with, sticks, stones and later through the use of old fashion chemical propelled projectiles we won our freedom against your "Purifying laser pistol". Odd is it not? That we, the inferior race of sub humans, useing outdated technology did infact win our freedom from the great fleets of amarr. We the subhumans that need to be enslaved to please your god by some "Miricle" where able to defeat numericaly and technologicaly superior forces by useing some of the oldest weapons known to man. How could this be? How could we win against a riteous, technologicaly advanced, numericaly superior fleet? Sounds like a bonafide mirical to me. Amazeing how god wants us to be enslaved, yet he let us have the strength to gain our freedom. Strange... Or it could just be that some of you escaped because our minds were on other things at the time. In other words: "We didn't want those billions of slaves and 3 regions anyway" ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Camar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.21 19:19:00 - [69] Mr. Ardan, your words...it could not have been said better. We raise our daggers in salutations to the heart (plate) and sword!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.21 20:26:00 - [70] Originally by: Mori Felding Quote: Which brings us to conscious hypocrisy. Apparently when Amarr judges a race for the actions of its forbears, we are evil, but when those other races try and judge the Amarr of four generations ago... oh no they are entirely in their rights. So.. there's no Amarr slavers anymore? Well that's news. Rhetoric such as this is why the statement that you are for the republic line of peace is an utter lie. You do not gain peace by demanding that another culture destroy itself. We offer peace. We have consistently for a century offered the Republic the chance to go their own way in peace without attacks from us. We have consistently offered you the chance to have your culture in peace without our attacks. Yet you attack. You murder. You deny peace. Your government does not. Your government has seemingly taken that peace at face value in the last years. If you care so much about slavery that you would declare war, that you would declare an entire culture wrong, then you do not call for peace. You are warmongers and are damned. All of you. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:53:00 - [71] I don't think PIE is more the laser pistol so much as the unfortunate ship defect that causes slavery to accidentally explode when it undocks from a station.
Yakov Draken Minmatar The Newb Patrol Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.21 22:02:00 - [72] Edited by: Yakov Draken on 21/06/2007 22:02:22 It is nice to see my fellow Matari re-affirming their support for each other. Sadly the murder of Karishal makes a mockery of this. The Republic has the blood of freedom fighters on its hands. It spilt this blood to appease the Amarr and in truth the Republic has always been a betrayel of the great revolution. The issue facing Matari is ending our peoples slavery. To do this we must reject the Republic and forge a hardened combat organisation capable of achieving our goal. Support for the Republic blocks the real unity we need. Any unity which sees freedom fighters and republic loyalists side by side misleads our brethren and dooms us to failure. Victory requires radical action - compromise and appeasement are the roads the defeat. Yakov ps. Why do you guys respond to the Amarr who derail these discusiions? I have read debate after debate in which Matar attempt to discuss and organise and always find my self having to wade through pages of turgid psuedo-debate between Amarr and Matar. They are enemies with whom there is no basis for debate. Responding to them simply helps them derail our discusion - which they have suceeded in doing many times.
Mori Felding Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.06.21 22:44:00 - [73] Charming to see how something cultural justifies its criminal nature. I do not demand anything from you Gaven, I don't expect anything from you or your kind. To think that I or most of VOSP would like to see a peace for peace's sakes is wrong. I feel fairly certain when I say we would rather see all slavers dead and gone, rather than having an everlasting peace. The only reason we want to uphold peace with the Empire's official sources, would be to respect Midulars decisions as far as we feel able to extend ourselves. Now it might have been that VOSP has been raiding the Empires assets in the past, I cannot say as I'm a rather new addition compared to the older members, and in that case Reatu would probably be the one to seek out for clarification. Since I'm not a spokesperson, this should be considered my personal perception from my time in VOSP. Warmongers? Yeah, I'd consider ourselves fitting that bill. A divine vengeance for the hubris by all of your ilk. ___ Memento Mori
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:19:00 - [74] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We offer peace. We have consistently for a century offered the Republic the chance to go their own way in peace without attacks from us. We have consistently offered you the chance to have your culture in peace without our attacks. And what exactly did the Amarrian cultural enhancement programme do for the Thukker, eh? Butchered their elders, destroyed their culture, drove them into isolation and piracy. We are a tribal, family-oriented culture. You can't swipe half of us and continue to do so and then ask us to sit down and shut up, pretend it's not happening or we're "war mongers". And that's exactly what you're asking from us in return for this "peace": Put the blindfold on willingly, and don't see what we do. Plug your ears, and no one is screaming. Don't lift a finger; we might notice you. Bite your tongues and take it quietly. What peace the Amarr offered for the lives of our people in the Empire, you betrayed and continue to betray with Imperial slave raids in our space. If you stopped them, you might have a leg to stand on. But you do nothing. You continue in your regime of imposed silence, of dictated ignorance, your demands for appeasement... always ignoring the fact that even under this so-called "peace", you still raid. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Naverum	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:29:00 - [75] I believe this should be sticky for further references related to Matari politics and edition can be made as new Matari political active alliances spring up or die down. This will be a good reference for new capsuleer pilots to get their bearings into Matari politics and understand each alliances' motive as they navigate in the universe.
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:46:00 - [76] Nothing more needs to be said really Gaven other than we know who we have to kill, EM know who they have to kill, Fimbulwinter also know who they would kill given the chance.... strangely enough it turn out to be you and the other corrupt amarrian slave pets i mean erm paramilitaries of the corrupt empire who massacre their way into free space i mean erm...stray into free space ...with the intent on controlling...sorry i mean erm...with the intent of what was it?? oh yes spreading the faith and providing peace....by massacreing/stealing/rapeing/torturing the free citizens oops again sorry i mean erm ... preaching sermons , sharing food and shelter.... you see my point... Burn in hell Gaven burn in hell People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:54:00 - [77] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/06/2007 14:55:20 Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/06/2007 14:53:37 If you had followed legal protocols when dealing with supposed illegal slavers then you might have a point Ms. Char. But then, you never tried that. You just came in murdering on the words of terrorists alone. None of you seem interested in following the Republic's course. You are more interested in attacking Amarr and yelling about how we are evil. You attack, while your republic makes peace. So you undermine your republic as traitors. The only difference between EM or Fate Weavers and Fimblewinter or U'K is that the latter two admit their treachery while the former two are utter hypocrites acting against the republic while eulogizing it. I look forward to the day when the republic actually spawns a loyalist group that understands what loyalty means. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Meklon Caldari Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:06:00 - [78] We have followed legal protocols with illegal slavers Gaven, we have even posted video footage of an illegal slaving operation within Republic space, which, I may add, was successfully neutralised. If we do not seem interested in following the course of the Republic, then please explain to me why both ourselves and Delictum agreed to a ceasefire to allow talks between our respective political entities? -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======-
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:12:00 - [79] Flying with fimblewinter to destroy Amarrian ships in Amarrian space is not following legal proceedures. Even if they actually were guilty, which I still doubt as no proof has been given. You were given the chance to rectify that mistake, to show that you understood it was wrong, and you refused. That is not the action of someone who follows legal proceedures, its the action of someone who wants death. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:17:00 - [80] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/06/2007 14:55:20 Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/06/2007 14:53:37 If you had followed legal protocols when dealing with supposed illegal slavers then you might have a point Ms. Char. But then, you never tried that. You just came in murdering on the words of terrorists alone. None of you seem interested in following the Republic's course. You are more interested in attacking Amarr and yelling about how we are evil. You attack, while your republic makes peace. So you undermine your republic as traitors. The only difference between EM or Fate Weavers and Fimblewinter or U'K is that the latter two admit their treachery while the former two are utter hypocrites acting against the republic while eulogizing it. I look forward to the day when the republic actually spawns a loyalist group that understands what loyalty means. 1. The Republic is an independent, sovreign nation, we don't need your permission to enforce OUR laws. 2. Given your standing with the Republic I don't think you're in any position to comment on our loyalty/disloyalty to it. 3. If I'm not mistaken we haven't raided Imperial space for some time, which is more than can be said of your organization regarding the Republic EM took necessary steps to put an immediate stop to the illegal abduction and murder of Republic citizens, the only ones moaning and complaining about it, curiously enough, are Imperial loyalists. EM is still quite welcome in the Republic, making your "traitor" argument an utter crock of BS. You need to get it into your head, Gaven, that loyalty to the Republic doesn't mean (and god willing it never will) loyalty to the Amarr Empire. Keep a tighter lid on your slavers and incidents like the one in question don't have to happen. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:37:00 - [81] Quote: 1. The Republic is an independent, sovreign nation, we don't need your permission to enforce OUR laws. Except you broke with the republic by trying to enforce republican laws militantly in Amarrian space. In responce to which we got CONCORD to sanction our war against your organisation. We believe the Republic when they talk of peace with Amarr, however, so unless you are telling me they are lieing about peace with Amarr... you do not serve them in your acts of war in Amarrian space against Amarr. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:54:00 - [82] Edited by: Occasus Vim on 22/06/2007 23:56:32 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Quote: 1. The Republic is an independent, sovreign nation, we don't need your permission to enforce OUR laws. Except you broke with the republic by trying to enforce republican laws militantly in Amarrian space. In responce to which we got CONCORD to sanction our war against your organisation. We believe the Republic when they talk of peace with Amarr, however, so unless you are telling me they are lieing about peace with Amarr... you do not serve them in your acts of war in Amarrian space against Amarr. There are two neighbors. One neighbor hops the fence in the backyard in the middle of the night and kidnaps the other man's wife and children, then ushers them back across the property line. The husband/father is outraged, and has the authorities go to his neighbors house to retrieve his family. The neighbor answers the door and says, "I'm sorry officers, but owning people is legal on my side of the property line, and I think, oh yes, yes I am just outside of your jurisdiction. Please leave." The authorities here have no legal right to act against the neighbor. The neighbor, and the law supporting him, however, have exactly zero moral ground to stand on. This is the Amarr Empire as Lok'ri paints it: Perpetrator of crimes legitimized by a corrupt bureaucracy, and no objective standard that is actually accessible, or even actual, as far as outside entities may be concerned. Again, I will say - Stop trying to rationalize everything for us, Lok'ri, and tell it straight: You believe you have a monopoly on understanding of truly moral conduct, and you will not subject yourself to any other judgment than that of your Empire, or your God. This necessarily means that during conflicts, you cannot play well with others. You cannot compromise well enough with non-faithful entities. Your goal is not peace, it is assimilation. Tell the damn truth, without the double-talk and endless semantical nitterings. If you believe you are truly a moral authority, then why debase yourself by trying to out-debate the pitiful mob you have so little respect for? Maybe the "faith" centre of your brain was subjected to some data corruption during your last clone activation.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.23 05:20:00 - [83] Originally by: Ryas Nia The only thing i can stress is that recent changes in the populations of low security Metropolis have forced us to look at any corp not openly pro-matar as a possible threat. Thus the policy of shooting neutrals even in Minmatar space. So you are actively pirating in Republic space.... I'm interested in what EM, as pro-Republic alliance, view is on this matter. Paratwa Recruitment
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:24:00 - [84] Originally by: Aodha Khan Originally by: Ryas Nia The only thing i can stress is that recent changes in the populations of low security Metropolis have forced us to look at any corp not openly pro-matar as a possible threat. Thus the policy of shooting neutrals even in Minmatar space. So you are actively pirating in Republic space.... I'm interested in what EM, as pro-Republic alliance, view is on this matter. Fimbulwinter have taken up this stance as a result of the fairly high number of "shark attacks" they've had from neutrals and corps that have maliciously engineered false blues. We're working on stepping up operations in Metropolis , getting more intel on local hostile forces and later hope to set up another open intel channel for the region along the lines of Molden Intel. I'm hoping with sufficient good intel flowing, Fimbulwinter won't need NBSI anymore - that with enough support in the region, they can reinstate NRDS and still focus on the work they need to do. I know some of HIRD won't agree with me on this, having more than enough assorted cutlery between their shoulderblades, but if we can get the region working in a similar way to our joint ops in other areas, we might find a way. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:38:00 - [85] Originally by: Occasus Vim Edited by: Occasus Vim on 22/06/2007 23:56:32 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Quote: 1. The Republic is an independent, sovreign nation, we don't need your permission to enforce OUR laws. Except you broke with the republic by trying to enforce republican laws militantly in Amarrian space. In responce to which we got CONCORD to sanction our war against your organisation. We believe the Republic when they talk of peace with Amarr, however, so unless you are telling me they are lieing about peace with Amarr... you do not serve them in your acts of war in Amarrian space against Amarr. There are two neighbors. One neighbor hops the fence in the backyard in the middle of the night and kidnaps the other man's wife and children, then ushers them back across the property line. The husband/father is outraged, and has the authorities go to his neighbors house to retrieve his family. The neighbor answers the door and says, "I'm sorry officers, but owning people is legal on my side of the property line, and I think, oh yes, yes I am just outside of your jurisdiction. Please leave." The authorities here have no legal right to act against the neighbor. The neighbor, and the law supporting him, however, have exactly zero moral ground to stand on. This is the Amarr Empire as Lok'ri paints it: Perpetrator of crimes legitimized by a corrupt bureaucracy, and no objective standard that is actually accessible, or even actual, as far as outside entities may be concerned. Again, I will say - Stop trying to rationalize everything for us, Lok'ri, and tell it straight: You believe you have a monopoly on understanding of truly moral conduct, and you will not subject yourself to any other judgment than that of your Empire, or your God. This necessarily means that during conflicts, you cannot play well with others. You cannot compromise well enough with non-faithful entities. Your goal is not peace, it is assimilation. Tell the damn truth, without the double-talk and endless semantical nitterings. If you believe you are truly a moral authority, then why debase yourself by trying to out-debate the pitiful mob you have so little respect for? Maybe the "faith" centre of your brain was subjected to some data corruption during your last clone activation. You must tell this one at your next bongo-fest, it is bound to recieve raptorous applause and many a back-slap by fellow subhumans. Wonderful imagination though, chimplet, almost picturesque your descriptions. ----------------------------------------------
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:45:00 - [86] Originally by: Gaius Kador You must tell this one at your next bongo-fest, it is bound to recieve raptorous applause and many a back-slap by fellow subhumans. Wonderful imagination though, chimplet, almost picturesque your descriptions. Ah, it's nice to know that Gaius is still displaying his complete inability to type more than a handful of sentences and displaying his near non-existant wit; as many dynamic as this universe tends to be it's good to know that Gaius will always be an unimaginative idiot. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:37:00 - [87] ... and your Better. Universal constant. ----------------------------------------------
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:12:00 - [88] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Quote: 1. The Republic is an independent, sovreign nation, we don't need your permission to enforce OUR laws. Except you broke with the republic by trying to enforce republican laws militantly in Amarrian space. In responce to which we got CONCORD to sanction our war against your organisation. Did CONCORD also sanction shipping slaves through Republic space? Only we just extracted a number from Vlad Konstantinov's wreck, along with a number of vagrants he appeared to be trying to use as a human shield. Pot, this is kettle. You're black. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:59:00 - [89] Originally by: Evanda Char Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Quote: 1. The Republic is an independent, sovreign nation, we don't need your permission to enforce OUR laws. Except you broke with the republic by trying to enforce republican laws militantly in Amarrian space. In responce to which we got CONCORD to sanction our war against your organisation. Did CONCORD also sanction shipping slaves through Republic space? Only we just extracted a number from Vlad Konstantinov's wreck, along with a number of vagrants he appeared to be trying to use as a human shield. Pot, this is kettle. You're black. I'm sure that if Vlad's passengers were being carried illegally, the local customs authorities would have taken action. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:15:00 - [90] Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm sure that if Vlad's passengers were being carried illegally, the local customs authorities would have taken action. And I'm sure if we'd intercepted those slaver ships illegally, the sentries would have fired. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time

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