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Paulus Plain
Mitochondrial EVE Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.30 07:00:24 -
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What does FULL API KEY IN YOUR APPLICATION Mean? |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
763
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Posted - 2017.04.30 07:55:43 -
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You are required to give a special key to your assigned HR manager that allows them to see all information about your character's in-game interactions, including wallet transactions, skills, combat performance, and evemails. Many corps require disclosure of full API as a standard vetting procedure.
APIs don't give actual control over or character, just information.
An API key can be created through CCP's support website: https://community.eveonline.com/support/api-key/
Agent of the New Order
Live by the Code - die by the Code.
The Voice of Highsec
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Do Little
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
1106
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Posted - 2017.04.30 08:34:09 -
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Generally the recruiter will give you a link that includes the API mask they want. A lot of corporations will want an account wide API - i.e. they want to know all characters on the account - not just the character applying to join.
It's similar to the resume you provide when applying for a real world job. The meta game in Eve is arguably more important than the actual game so spying is a profession and the API check is basic due diligence to reduce the likelihood of recruiting an enemy. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
287
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Posted - 2017.04.30 08:57:00 -
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It's a way to catch bad spies and corp thieves. The good ones know how to keep it all very well concealed regardless of any number of API checks.
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Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.04.30 09:06:01 -
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I don't need and i don't have to pull my pants down before anyone....
Even if the facebook generation sees "no problem" in this my data belongs to me and I decide if and what i share....
No corp if this is the price.... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47671
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Posted - 2017.04.30 09:07:46 -
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An API key is created at:
https://community.eveonline.com/support/api-key
Depending on how it is setup, it provides only access to the public information about your character. For example, OP, here is the basic information anyone can access:
https://api.eveonline.com/eve/CharacterInfo.xml.aspx?characterID=96713730
However, you can also provide access to information that requires verification before CCP will respond with the information to a request made for it.
You can see a list of data that can be included, here:
http://eveonline-third-party-documentation.readthedocs.io/en/latest/xmlapi/
A request for a full API is generally a request for access to all information, for all characters on an account, including the characters not applying for membership.
Some Corps/Alliances also expect full API keys for all accounts you own. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1488
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Posted - 2017.04.30 11:07:23 -
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The end result of a full API is that that account and all characters and records can be traced for that account and characters for the entire life of that account itself. If you leave the alliance/corp they will still have full records of all your activities and contacts in the future, all mail, all correspondence in game, etc.
A full API is for life.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
64
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Posted - 2017.04.30 11:11:24 -
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It's a trap.
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Aves Asio
69
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Posted - 2017.04.30 12:03:13 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Some Corps/Alliances also expect full API keys for all accounts you own.
A try hard faction warfare corp once asked me this, i almost pissed my self. Like why would i willingly give out such information. |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
65
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Posted - 2017.04.30 12:10:17 -
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Aves Asio wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Some Corps/Alliances also expect full API keys for all accounts you own. A corp once asked me for this, i almost pissed my self. Like why would i willingly give out such information.
Fixed that for you darl.
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Do Little
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
1107
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Posted - 2017.04.30 12:24:33 -
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There is no law requiring you to give out your API, just as there is no law requiring you to give a potential employer your resume or authorization to do a background check. But you aren't going to get the job or a corp invite unless you do. The question is who is doing who the favor here?
It's true that NPC corporations don't require your API - CCP already has all the information!
You can delete an API key and they will expire automatically after a year unless you specify no expiry.
As someone who has needed to hold secret security clearance as a condition of employment for most of my career, I can assure you that the API check required by most Eve corporations is relatively non-intrusive. |
Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
39
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Posted - 2017.04.30 12:32:10 -
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Do Little wrote:As someone who has needed to hold secret security clearance as a condition of employment for most of my career, I can assure you that the API check required by most Eve corporations is relatively non-intrusive.
I'll add "and no longer ever will get one due to exposing them on the Internet." I hope you didn't get too much restricted information in your hands if this is how you handle information.... your country is screwed. |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
65
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Posted - 2017.04.30 12:40:51 -
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Do Little wrote:There is no law requiring you to give out your API, just as there is no law requiring you to give a potential employer your resume or authorization to do a background check. But you aren't going to get the job or a corp invite unless you do.
Weird. I've joined plenty of successful corps without an API. IRL I became a bartender just by drinking at a pub. Did it for 4 years. I never had an RSA (Responsible Service of Alcohol) check or anything then either.
But I'm not a square.
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt
Dot Dot Dot
106
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Posted - 2017.04.30 13:31:43 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:I don't need and i don't have to pull my pants down before anyone....
Even if the facebook generation sees "no problem" in this my data belongs to me and I decide if and what i share....
No corp if this is the price....
Here we go, another nut job who doesn't want us to see his wallet balance and where he keeps his ibis's. |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.04.30 19:25:05 -
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:I don't need and i don't have to pull my pants down before anyone....
Even if the facebook generation sees "no problem" in this my data belongs to me and I decide if and what i share....
No corp if this is the price.... Here we go, another nut job who doesn't want us to see his wallet balance and where he keeps his ibis's.
Yep....
"who has nothing to hide has to have nothing against letting down his digital panties" or has he?.....
If life was so easy......
I don't care what you think about it but my data belong to me,not to a corperation (facebook(no acount here)) or an online generated key that can be used in a way i can't control.....
Maybe you see "no problem" in this because "everyone does it" and "the EVE corps demand it" but those demands are outrageous in my eyes and i will NEVER follow them....
If the result is a "no corp fo you" than may it be so.....
I don't give the data collecting krakens an inch where i can hinder them in collecting everyones data and scanning everyones life for possible sellable information......
Understand it or not that's the only opinion that counts for me....mine.....
And i don't give a dam if all others are feeling well in their digital nudity...... |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2906
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Posted - 2017.04.30 20:30:34 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The end result of a full API is that that account and all characters and records can be traced for that account and characters for the entire life of that account itself. If you leave the alliance/corp they will still have full records of all your activities and contacts in the future, all mail, all correspondence in game, etc.
A full API is for life.
you can delete api keys in your api settings. you can also create new ones and make a special one for the corp that you can later delete if you no longer want that corp to have it.
https://community.eveonline.com/support/api-key/
And if you don't want to hand out your info, don't. there are corps that will take you without an api, or with a limited api.
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.04.30 20:36:24 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
And if you don't want to hand out your info, don't. there are corps that will take you without an api, or with a limited api.
This is not relevant....
Even the demand of something like that ist outrageous.....
Just give people you can't trust any rights.....not even the slightest... |
Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
201
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Posted - 2017.04.30 21:27:45 -
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It means you are applying to a crappy corp. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2908
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Posted - 2017.04.30 22:39:05 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
And if you don't want to hand out your info, don't. there are corps that will take you without an api, or with a limited api.
This is not relevant.... Even the demand of something like that is outrageous..... Just don't give people you can't trust any rights.....not even the slightest...
then don't be upset when they don't trust you and give you the right to join their corp.
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2017.05.01 00:04:32 -
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I think the somewhat high demand for full api keys points to quite a few design weaknesses of this game.
The tools to counter spies and corp thieves should be more related to corp management and operational security.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47674
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Posted - 2017.05.01 00:28:42 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:I don't care what you think about it but my data belong to me,not to a corperation (facebook(no acount here)) or an online generated key that can be used in a way i can't control.....
LOL.
All your characters data is owned by CCP. You don't own any of it. You even agreed that you don't own any of it and even if you create an API, the information doesn't come from you. It comes from CCP. CCP is a corporation and they can already choose to use or provide that information anyway they like. |
Hal Morsh
Minmatar Confederate
582
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Posted - 2017.05.01 00:30:21 -
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Do Little wrote:Generally the recruiter will give you a link that includes the API mask they want. A lot of corporations will want an account wide API - i.e. they want to know all characters on the account - not just the character applying to join.
It's similar to the resume you provide when applying for a real world job. The meta game in Eve is arguably more important than the actual game so spying is a profession and the API check is basic due diligence to reduce the likelihood of recruiting an enemy.
If someone doesn't do API and thinks you are a spy but wont actually kick you out, it becomes a passive aggressive stress out. No trust means no interaction.
Being sapient can drive us mad.
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Djsaeu
Xx-illuminati-xX
59
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Posted - 2017.05.01 06:02:37 -
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If you are unwilling to trust the Corp. you want to join, by all means do not give the API key. But remember trust is a 2 way street, if you do not trust them why would they trust you? |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:06:27 -
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As i said before.....no digital panties down here in any way and on the other side i don't demand "let me join".....
ME...
Not everyone......
I'm not on a "holy mission" to show everyone how dangerous the internet is and that your data is yours......those who are willingly giving away their data to facebook and co should do this....but no one should blame me for not understanding and criticizing it....
Too much data is given away today and way too much is sold to and by corps that make money with it without your permission....
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
I'm responsible for it and i'm not willing to give it away to everyone...... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47675
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:13:53 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
Data available on your character through the API does not contain any information that is personally identifying to you as a player, only information about your characters and no, none of it belongs to you. It all belongs to CCP as you agreed when you agreed to the EULA.
Specifically:
A. Communications
... You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. ...
and more importantly:
B. Rights to Certain Content
...Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP,...
Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain personal information in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever. |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:19:28 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort..... Data available on your character through the API does not contain any information that is personally identifying to you as a player, only information about your characters and no, none of it belongs to you. It all belongs to CCP as you agreed when you agreed to the EULA. Specifically: A. Communications
... You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. ...and more importantly: B. Rights to Certain Content
...Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP,...
Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain personal information in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever.
I'm talking about personal,not character data..... slight but remarkable difference.....
And yes i know that the API does not show "personal" data but - in my eyes- that makes no difference.....this is data regarding MY behaviour in the game and that's something any other person has not to care about.......
But i confess that this is something basically,not eve specific..... :-) |
Magnus Jax
7
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:27:32 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:I'm talking about personal,not character data..... slight but remarkable difference.....
And yes i know that the API does not show "personal" data but - in my eyes- that makes no difference.....this is data regarding MY behaviour in the game and that's something any other person has not to care about.......
But i confess that this is something basically,not eve specific..... :-)
This is on the EVE forums about the EVE API, why are you even in this conversation.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47675
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:28:01 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:
I'm talking about personal,not character data..... slight but remarkable difference.....
And yes i know that the API does not show "personal" data but - in my eyes- that makes no difference.....this is data regarding MY behaviour in the game and that's something any other person has not to care about.......
But i confess that this is something basically,not eve specific..... :-)
Which has absolutely zip to do with this thread. It isn't at all relevant to this discussion.
Neither is Facebook relevant to this discussion in any way at all.
You can safely give API information to Corporations in game and it does not in any way expose your personal player information. As to exposing your behaviour, you already don't own that information. CCP does and can do with it what they want. |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 08:19:46 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:
I'm talking about personal,not character data..... slight but remarkable difference.....
And yes i know that the API does not show "personal" data but - in my eyes- that makes no difference.....this is data regarding MY behaviour in the game and that's something any other person has not to care about.......
But i confess that this is something basically,not eve specific..... :-)
Which has absolutely zip to do with this thread. It isn't at all relevant to this discussion. Neither is Facebook relevant to this discussion in any way at all. You can safely give API information to Corporations in game and it does not in any way expose your personal player information. As to exposing your behaviour, you already don't own that information. CCP does and can do with it what they want.
Well it IS part of this post as far as i refuse ANY form of data collecting via API key and -sry for your unconvinience- but my opinion counts as much as yours.
Facebook is an example for a data collecting kraken and therefore IS relevant in this post and HAS to do with API Key as another example of what should not be in my opinion....
So calm down and listen to what i wrote and don't try to troll me..... |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
EVEolution.
625
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Posted - 2017.05.01 08:52:32 -
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lol @ all the newbs that don't know what the feck they are talking about. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
EVEolution.
625
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Posted - 2017.05.01 08:55:09 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:As i said before.....no digital panties down here in any way and on the other side i don't demand "let me join".....
ME...
Not everyone......
I'm not on a "holy mission" to show everyone how dangerous the internet is and that your data is yours......those who are willingly giving away their data to facebook and co should do this....but no one should blame me for not understanding and criticizing it....
Too much data is given away today and way too much is sold to and by corps that make money with it without your permission....
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
I'm responsible for it and i'm not willing to give it away to everyone......
you need to read the EULA. 
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Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 09:24:05 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:As i said before.....no digital panties down here in any way and on the other side i don't demand "let me join".....
ME...
Not everyone......
I'm not on a "holy mission" to show everyone how dangerous the internet is and that your data is yours......those who are willingly giving away their data to facebook and co should do this....but no one should blame me for not understanding and criticizing it....
Too much data is given away today and way too much is sold to and by corps that make money with it without your permission....
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
I'm responsible for it and i'm not willing to give it away to everyone...... you need to read the EULA.
As i said....contracts don't change my opinion...... :-)
So this is no argument against it.....:-)
And afaik CCP is not forcing anyone to use the API key.....and even if they would......my opinion stays as it is..... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47678
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Posted - 2017.05.01 09:28:08 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:Well it IS part of this post as far as i refuse ANY form of data collecting via API key and -sry for your unconvinience- but my opinion counts as much as yours.
You can't refuse it except by not playing.
It's not your data to refuse to be collected and you already explicitly accepted what CCP collect on characters the second you accepted the EULA.
So no, your opinion doesn't count. No one's 'opinion' counts. The only thing that counts is the EULA.
Here, I can get information on your character by calling the publicly available API data:
https://api.eveonline.com/eve/CharacterInfo.xml.aspx?characterID=2112730207
All the character API provides is access to information that CCP allow us to control access to, but we don't own it. CCP does.
The API key isn't your approval to have data collected. CCP already do that anyway. The API key is just your agreement that other players can see certain information CCP already have.
And no, Facebook have nothing at all to do with EVE character/account APIs or this thread. |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 09:38:57 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:Well it IS part of this post as far as i refuse ANY form of data collecting via API key and -sry for your unconvinience- but my opinion counts as much as yours. You can't refuse it except by not playing. It's not your data to refuse to be collected and you already explicitly accepted what CCP collect on characters the second you accepted the EULA. So no, your opinion doesn't count. No one's 'opinion' counts. The only thing that counts is the EULA. Here, I can get information on your character by calling the publicly available API data: https://api.eveonline.com/eve/CharacterInfo.xml.aspx?characterID=2112730207
All the character API provides is access to information that CCP allow us to control access to, but we don't own it. CCP does. And no, Facebook have nothing at all to do with EVE character/account APIs or this thread.
You still get mad about the facebook EXAMPLE did you?
And we are talking about the outrageous demands of some corps and my unwillingness to give them what they demand....
From the first second i made this post PERSONAL regarding my data and my opinion and yes,my PERSONAL data belongs to me not CCP .....the EULA clearly states that.
You have to make a difference between PERSONAL data and ingame data.....
The moment CCP gives away my PERSONAL data they get sued..... :-)
The API key shows ingame data but i'm not willing to give it away either....
You may have a problem with that.....but nobody,not even CCP can force me to give it away for everyone....at least at the current state of the EULA..... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47678
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Posted - 2017.05.01 09:44:14 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:You still get mad about the facebook EXAMPLE did you?
And we are talking about the outrageous demands of some corps and my unwillingness to give them what they demand....
From the first second i made this post PERSONAL regarding my data and my opinion and yes,my PERSONAL data belongs to me not CCP .....the EULA clearly states that.
You have to make a difference between PERSONAL data and ingame data.....
The moment CCP gives away my PERSONAL data they get sued..... :-)
The API key shows ingame data but i'm not willing to give it away either....
You may have a problem with that.....but nobody,not even CCP can force me to give it away for everyone....at least at the current state of the EULA.....
No, not mad. You seem to have misconceptions about what the API is.
Just trying to help you understand. This thread has nothing to do with your personal information as a player.
API keys don't provide access to that.
This thread is about API keys, which provide access to information on your characters and corporations.
The full list of information available is:
https://api.eveonline.com/api/CallList.xml.aspx
Hopefully that ends this whole "personal" data thing. This thread has nothing to do with that at all and there is no way for a Corp to access your personal information through an API. It's irrelevant to this discussion. |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 09:48:06 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:You still get mad about the facebook EXAMPLE did you?
And we are talking about the outrageous demands of some corps and my unwillingness to give them what they demand....
From the first second i made this post PERSONAL regarding my data and my opinion and yes,my PERSONAL data belongs to me not CCP .....the EULA clearly states that.
You have to make a difference between PERSONAL data and ingame data.....
The moment CCP gives away my PERSONAL data they get sued..... :-)
The API key shows ingame data but i'm not willing to give it away either....
You may have a problem with that.....but nobody,not even CCP can force me to give it away for everyone....at least at the current state of the EULA..... No, not mad. You seem to have misconceptions about what the API is. Just trying to help you understand. This thread has nothing to do with your personal information as a player. API keys don't provide access to that. This thread is about API keys, which provide access to information on your characters and corporations. The full list of information available is: https://api.eveonline.com/api/CallList.xml.aspx
Hopefully that ends this whole "personal" data thing. This thread has nothing to do with that at all and there is no way for a Corp to access your personal information through an API. It's irrelevant to this discussion.
I simply tried to make clear WHY i even refuseto give away the API key collected(ingame) data......
I think it IS clear now and we can end this :-) |
Honrado deQuiros
Cartella Shipments and Storage
20
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Posted - 2017.05.01 10:16:31 -
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Its just a test. Simple.
You get tested once, then thats it. You can delete the API key, the one they can use once, after they peek into your records. Routine checks like, where your money came from (not from some older char), some way of crosschecking the things you say to the recruiters. This just the top layer of how trusting other players in eve works. Because of how the 'net works, its very easy to infiltrate other groups to destroy them from within. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
673
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Posted - 2017.05.01 10:24:39 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
Wrong again. |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 11:52:30 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
Wrong again.
Right again because this is written in EU law.....and you can not make EU ineffective just by writing it into a contrct.....well you CAN do it,but it will not stand a court.... |
Magnus Jax
10
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Posted - 2017.05.01 12:08:30 -
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Nardos Tatio wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
Wrong again. Right again because this is written in EU law.....and you can not make EU law ineffective just by writing it into a contract.....well you CAN try it,but it will not stand a court.... BTW you have an interesting view to the real world outside of MMOG.....oh well wait....even mmog have to follow the laws of the real world.....at least in europe.....so your view is flawed.......
IRL you go to jail for shooting people, according to your logic anyone playing COD or BF is going to be in big trouble.
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Oraac Ensor
770
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Posted - 2017.05.01 12:55:06 -
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Djsaeu wrote:If you are unwilling to trust the Corp. you want to join, by all means do not give the API key. But remember trust is a 2 way street, if you do not trust them why would they trust you?
Trust is indeed a 2-way street.
So the Corp's officers will be only too pleased to give you their APIs in return, right? |
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
163
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Posted - 2017.05.01 13:26:17 -
[42] - Quote
To the guy above me, when I recruit for my corp, if they wanna see my API too they can have it.
We ask APIs from everyone knowing full well it can be deleted later. It's just a quick in-game background check. We've caught a few people who could do harm. It works and it's non-invasive honestly. |
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2017.05.01 13:32:09 -
[43] - Quote
Nardos Tatio wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort..... Data available on your character through the API does not contain any information that is personally identifying to you as a player, only information about your characters and no, none of it belongs to you. It all belongs to CCP as you agreed when you agreed to the EULA. Specifically: A. Communications
... You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. ...and more importantly: B. Rights to Certain Content
...Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP,...
Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain personal information in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever. I'm talking about personal,not character data..... slight but remarkable difference..... And yes i know that the API does not show "personal" data but - in my eyes- that makes no difference.....this is data regarding MY behaviour in the game and that's something any other person has not to care about....... But i confess that this is something basically,not eve specific..... :-)
I'm curious. What, specifically, do you think the data collectors are going to do with your characters information? Buy a house or a car? Get credit cards in you characters name?
In all honesty I can see a few nefarious trolls using this information to wreck havoc upon your characters life in EvE (EvESkunk) but beyond this game I suppose they could to an extent highjack you gaming life to a larger extent then they could otherwise. Do you want to cripple your RL enjoyment of the game because of fears that your digital character may or may not be effected?
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
42
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Posted - 2017.05.01 14:10:32 -
[44] - Quote
Joey Bags wrote:I'm curious. What, specifically, do you think the data collectors are going to do with your characters information?
It's on a need to know basis. And they don't need to.
"It's just a game, mang."
You and me have rights. Even if you don't understand them you still have them. You are free to give them away, but that doesn't mean others are as ignorant as you.
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2017.05.01 14:33:07 -
[45] - Quote
Paulus Plain wrote:What does FULL API KEY IN YOUR APPLICATION Mean?
it basically means some kids with not much else to do with their lives feel as if they are in a powerful position to check out people's in-game information in more detail, as if lol, as if that prevents "Spies" from joining.... (Spies are those guys that wish they were born as James Bond, but instead, were born an ox). |
Kuromiko
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2017.05.01 16:53:44 -
[46] - Quote
Join a corporation that does not require one, or make your own. It's called freedom. |
Fish Hunter
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
39
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Posted - 2017.05.01 17:48:49 -
[47] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:Djsaeu wrote:If you are unwilling to trust the Corp. you want to join, by all means do not give the API key. But remember trust is a 2 way street, if you do not trust them why would they trust you? Trust is indeed a 2-way street. So the Corp's officers will be only too pleased to give you their APIs in return, right?
The only players i've seen with an actual legit issue with API information is traders not wanting others in on their niche markets. |
Nardos Tatio
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:32:22 -
[48] - Quote
Magnus Jax wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
Wrong again. Right again because this is written in EU law.....and you can not make EU law ineffective just by writing it into a contract.....well you CAN try it,but it will not stand a court.... BTW you have an interesting view to the real world outside of MMOG.....oh well wait....even mmog have to follow the laws of the real world.....at least in europe.....so your view is flawed....... IRL you go to jail for shooting people, according to your logic anyone playing COD or BF is going to be in big trouble.
I see two options here.....
First is you really don't get what i'm saying......that would be remarkably sad in the first place....
Second is you just pretend not to understand or play dump because my remarks don't fit your view of the world...........that would be even more sad because it shows a dogmatic behaviour I have trouble understanding....
Anyway.......
The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say..... |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
EVEolution.
626
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Posted - 2017.05.01 22:27:12 -
[49] - Quote
Nardos Tatio wrote:
The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say.....
everyone who clicks yes i agree to the EULA just before you download and install,, remember that bit? well just incase you don't
you've agreed to all of this and more, perhaps you should go read it.
now you never have to give anyone your API key as long as you don't want to enter a corp or alliance that insists on them.
so what's the problem? if you've made your mind up and i think you've made that very clear, why would you feel the need to even post this.
snap out of it dude, what are you a pod pilot of a feckin solicitor in space.
go play the game, you sound insane.
PS: ya hijacked Paulus Plain thread ya bollox  a hahahahaha |
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt
Dot Dot Dot
108
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Posted - 2017.05.01 23:44:39 -
[50] - Quote
Nardos Tatio wrote:The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say.....
(Btw, you just gave more of your info away by posting here)
And say you get in the corp, then what? Teamspeak/mumble? Nope now they have your IP address.
Not gonna open up to anyone? Good luck making friends/corp mates. Why should they trust you if you can't trust them?
Corp website/forums? Nope, goodbye IP, tracking cookies, and etc.
Why even bother. Why not just unplug everything you own and dig a hole to sit in. Never talk to anyone, be forgotten about and fade into irrelevance.
Good luck with that life m8.
Also the EULA is binding from the moment you click accept. Don't like it in any capacity, you can leave. With all your paranoia, you'd think you would know that already.
This thread got derailed pretty badly. Almost started yelling at OP. |
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1678
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Posted - 2017.05.02 01:07:39 -
[51] - Quote
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say..... (Btw, you just gave more of your info away by posting here) And say you get in the corp, then what? Teamspeak/mumble? Nope now they have your IP address..
Not exactly, without more clarification.
All of us have multiple IP addresses when communicating online.
Locally, within your LAN (eg connected in your home to your modem/router) you have one IP address.
Then, your modem/router when communicating with your ISP has a different IP address.
Then, when you request information, your ISP will request the information and send that request using a different IP address again.
So when a corp forum, TS, or whatever receives your request or data, the IP address attached to that is a public IP address from your ISP. It doesn't uniquely identify you. In general, only your ISP can do that and once they receive the response, they'll s no it back to your modem/router, which will then forward it on to the relevant computer than made the request.
Normally, at best that will geolocation you to a service providers exchange, which is still information, but not personally identifying in any way without access to more information from your ISP and then more again from the setup of computers on your LAN.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt
Dot Dot Dot
110
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Posted - 2017.05.02 01:45:15 -
[52] - Quote
When connecting to a server there is much more information than just your IP going out, is my point. Especially a server ran by an organization you already don't trust with your information. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1678
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Posted - 2017.05.02 02:24:15 -
[53] - Quote
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:When connecting to a server there is much more information than just your IP going out, is my point. Especially a server ran by an organization you already don't trust with your information.
Not if you are careful.
Just takes discipline and personal responsibility.
In either case, if you have one point, no point stating something else. Just state what you wanted to say.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
357
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Posted - 2017.05.02 09:43:16 -
[54] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The end result of a full API is that that account and all characters and records can be traced for that account and characters for the entire life of that account itself. If you leave the alliance/corp they will still have full records of all your activities and contacts in the future, all mail, all correspondence in game, etc.
A full API is for life.
This is absolutely wrong. If you Delete the API key on the homepage they will get no information after that. Also there is the expire option... you can choose from when they don't get info anymore. Whenever I have given out an API, I cancel it afterwards and make a new one. So they can't access my info from that point on. If you don't believe me use evemon or similar program, make an API key and iport it so you can see your info. Then delete the API key on the EVE-O homepage. The next time you open evemon enjoy the error popup. your skill plan will cached so if this is sensitive to you, just make a skill plan with 2-3 skills in it before giving the API, and they will not know what you train after those 2-3 skills.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
674
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Posted - 2017.05.02 21:54:06 -
[55] - Quote
Nardos Tatio wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Nardos Tatio wrote:
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....
Wrong again. Right again because this is written in EU law.....and you can not make EU law ineffective just by writing it into a contract.....well you CAN try it,but it will not stand a court.... BTW you have an interesting view to the real world outside of MMOG.....oh well wait....even mmog have to follow the laws of the real world.....at least in europe.....so your view is flawed.......
Wow ... just Wow ...
PS: Iceland is not a member of the EU. |
Soldarius
O C C U P Y
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1611
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Posted - 2017.05.03 14:36:54 -
[56] - Quote
Many people are not including how useful an API key really is. They can be used to verify identity for things like forum accesses and spreadsheet data inclusion, which is useful for market spreadsheets and industrial planning.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Jenn aSide
shinigami miners
ChaosTheory.
15781
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Posted - 2017.05.03 14:50:54 -
[57] - Quote
I'll never understand the resistance to giving out API keys. If someone doesn't like doing it, don't join or try to join a group that asks for it. I've always given full API keys when asked, the only thing I do is delete emails to protect the privacy of whatever group I was in before.
If you can't find a group that doesn't ask for it, make your own group and recruit others (don't forget to make your ticker {NO-API} so people know lol. |
Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
180
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Posted - 2017.05.03 15:21:51 -
[58] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:I'll never understand the resistance to giving out API keys. If someone doesn't like doing it, don't join or try to join a group that asks for it. I've always given full API keys when asked, the only thing I do is delete emails to protect the privacy of whatever group I was in before.
If you can't find a group that doesn't ask for it, make your own group and recruit others (don't forget to make your ticker {NO-API} so people know lol.
Its just standard census paranoia. I've met a decent number of US census paranoid people, and its just a personality trait. They'll be stuck with groups that don't check, and that's the end of the conversation. |
Hipqo
Tyde8
173
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:19:52 -
[59] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The end result of a full API is that that account and all characters and records can be traced for that account and characters for the entire life of that account itself. If you leave the alliance/corp they will still have full records of all your activities and contacts in the future, all mail, all correspondence in game, etc.
A full API is for life.
You know you can delete your API keys at any given time right? :P
Nothing about API is for life.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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jaqueline vanek
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:00:32 -
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offtopic, could the "private" portion of the API be accessed without registering an "app" -- just with an API key?
id like to play with the API from PowerShell, accessing my own data, and my vague understanding is OAuth is a bit tricky to use outside a browser
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CREST specifically |
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