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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:32:01 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Tricia Killnu wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Erotic massages at the Zoo what? I maybe should train reading comp past 1.
Send me Isk ingame and I will make this dream a reality 1 bil an hour for the best wettest sloppiest erotic zoo massage of your lifetime!!!!! I will even double and if your really lucky quadruple that isk!!!!!! SUH-WEET! It's my lucky day! I'm gonna be spacerich and in furry bliss! I...I love you. I do manage to inadvertently derail threads on occasion, don't I?
Not intentional, I can assure you.
Mr Epeen
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Vampyr
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:08:17 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I'm quite enjoying it even though it's making my in game expenses go up (it now costs 6 bil a month to plex my 4 accounts, 200 mil a day). I'm enjoying it because of all the crying that's coming from the entitled fools who don't understand that plex is a luxury and that no one (including CCP) owes anyone cheap plex. All the crying? One thread with five responses before you post your scathing indictment of the EVE player base. Out of how many hundreds of thousands of players? Don't be such a drama queen. Mr Epeen
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33675
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:48:24 -
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Vampyr wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I'm quite enjoying it even though it's making my in game expenses go up (it now costs 6 bil a month to plex my 4 accounts, 200 mil a day). I'm enjoying it because of all the crying that's coming from the entitled fools who don't understand that plex is a luxury and that no one (including CCP) owes anyone cheap plex. All the crying? One thread with five responses before you post your scathing indictment of the EVE player base. Out of how many hundreds of thousands of players? Don't be such a drama queen. Mr Epeen You think EVE has 'hundreds of thousands' of players? It had last time they said how much subscribers they had. But it was long time ago, when active players numbers were around 50k in the peak activity hours. When f2p was ridiculed and nearly everyone was saying it will never happen.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:01:32 -
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Vampyr wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I'm quite enjoying it even though it's making my in game expenses go up (it now costs 6 bil a month to plex my 4 accounts, 200 mil a day). I'm enjoying it because of all the crying that's coming from the entitled fools who don't understand that plex is a luxury and that no one (including CCP) owes anyone cheap plex. All the crying? One thread with five responses before you post your scathing indictment of the EVE player base. Out of how many hundreds of thousands of players? Don't be such a drama queen. Mr Epeen You think EVE has 'hundreds of thousands' of players?
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Tika Mishunga Cannis
Area-52 La Federacion.
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Posted - 2017.05.19 23:04:03 -
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The plex is too much for me. Unfortunately I will happen to be a casual player. And my other accounts will go to standby. There are too many factors in this game that will not let you do ISK. Wars and removals. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3036
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Posted - 2017.05.20 00:20:12 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Caveat: If NS recruits really hard, some of that attrition may be retained as players potentially find the means to PLEX via NS activity/income, but this will be at most some few %.
I strongly encourage everyone to consider moving into NS or established WH corps this summer. Its "that time" now to make the move.
HS/LS and low WH content income is not going to be adequate to PLEX without a great deal of activity ingame earning. The isk is in NS and WHs, and to an extent, LS if you play hard. if people go to null/wh and start farming more that just shoots the plex price even higher, OPE, bounties, and blue loot inject a ton of isk into the game.
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Salvos Rhoska
2929
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Posted - 2017.05.20 06:51:55 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Caveat: If NS recruits really hard, some of that attrition may be retained as players potentially find the means to PLEX via NS activity/income, but this will be at most some few %.
I strongly encourage everyone to consider moving into NS or established WH corps this summer. Its "that time" now to make the move.
HS/LS and low WH content income is not going to be adequate to PLEX without a great deal of activity ingame earning. The isk is in NS and WHs, and to an extent, LS if you play hard. if people go to null/wh and start farming more that just shoots the plex price even higher, OPE, bounties, and blue loot inject a ton of isk into the game.
Yes.
But look at market reports on isk introduction in NS as is.
The higher PLEX price rises, the more incentive there is to move to the rich farming fields of NS.
I will finally make the move to NS this summer. Tbh should have made the jump ages ago. Hopefully I wont get completely destroyed there by people Ive pissed off here on the boards! :D
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Beta Maoye
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Posted - 2017.05.20 08:46:40 -
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Before plex change, players need at least 1B to push the ingame market price up 0.01 isk. but now players need only 0.003B to push the price up 0.01 isk. It has never been easier to move the price. The cost of buy-low-sell-high game is so low that the price can be pushed up to a ridiculous level before the bubble collapse. |
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
103
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Posted - 2017.05.20 09:43:23 -
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It costs me $21/month for a 3 month sub after currency conversion. I used to be able to toss in 3 or 4 PLEX over the span of a year, to make my gaming time a little cheaper.
I am a casual player, the kind of player CCP would rather ignore and wishes would go away. I am not a rich player either, so yearly or 6 month subs are out for me. To be able to PLEX my account once every 3 or 4 months, even at 1.2 bil, I have to give up some of the things I enjoy, like low sec pvp.
At the current rate PLEX is rising, almost 1.5 bil, and the fact subbing my account with RL money is quite expensive (for a game), it's a hard choice for sure. I have cancelled my accounts for the summer at least, hoping PLEX will at least stabilize or my exchange rate gets better, though neither look very optimistic.
It's just sad that the PLEX price has become so volatile and I will predict it will have negative results for the game, especially with casual players like myself. |
Kisar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.20 11:01:53 -
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I too may cancel some accounts. The price of PLEX is ridiculous now since the change.
It's no doubt caused by how easy CCP have made it to buy and hoarde market PLEX due to the smallest unit now being just 2-3 million isk. Players buying and hoarding PLEX so they could sell it for more later has always been a problem with causing inflated PLEX prices and now with smaller units making it far easier to do, they've made the problem even worse.
Probably going to cost them players if it's not resolved soon. |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3998
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Posted - 2017.05.20 11:34:10 -
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Vampyr wrote: You think EVE has 'hundreds of thousands' of players?
Statistically EVE has somewhere between 200k & 300k players. Average accounts per player is about 1.5 per CCP's released stats a year or so ago, and per their financial reports they have somewhere between 300k & 400k accounts, people crunched numbers. So yes actually, EVE does.
If memory serves CCP at some point also released information which indicated that only about 10% of accounts paid by plex. Was somewhere around the same time as they released the stats on how many times a plex typically changed hands before actually getting used. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
15869
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Posted - 2017.05.20 18:48:08 -
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Kisar wrote:
Probably going to hit their account numbers if they don't do something to stabilize PLEX prices.
People who use plex for game time tend to over estimate how many people do the same. The last time CCP told us about it, it was less than 10%. Same for multiboxers, most people don't have multiple accounts so people shedding alt accounts wouldn't hurt much.
PLEX changes/price rises are in this way just like ISBoxer, many a isbox multiboxer predicted that EVE's pcu and sub numbers would take a hit if they banned isboxer, but that never happened, because despite the visibility of those guys (like the guy who could solo incursions), they were really only a very small part of the population.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
384
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Posted - 2017.05.21 00:48:19 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kisar wrote:
Probably going to hit their account numbers if they don't do something to stabilize PLEX prices.
People who use plex for game time tend to over estimate how many people do the same. The last time CCP told us about it, it was less than 10%. Same for multiboxers, most people don't have multiple accounts so people shedding alt accounts wouldn't hurt much. PLEX changes/price rises are in this way just like ISBoxer, many a isbox multiboxer predicted that EVE's pcu and sub numbers would take a hit if they banned isboxer, but that never happened, because despite the visibility of those guys (like the guy who could solo incursions), they were really only a very small part of the population. When did CCP say this? I find it hard to believe. EVE with just 1 account must be so tedious. No scanner, no scout, no hauler, no neutral, no salvager, no booster, ... How can you even do anything effectively?
From what i have seen, EVE players love alts. Even for simple or silly tasks. I have seen people create alts just because they wanted a capspray (a cheap, expendable osprey giving them cap at all times).
What was the saying again ... somthing like: EVE is played by 12 people and their alts. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.05.21 01:04:00 -
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Algarion Getz wrote: When did CCP say this?
Way before the Alpha/Omega release.
You'll likely need to wait for the next fanfest to get legitimate statistics for this year. And then you get to watch the forum explode as various personalities try to spin it to suit their agenda.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
15870
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Posted - 2017.05.21 03:44:00 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kisar wrote:
Probably going to hit their account numbers if they don't do something to stabilize PLEX prices.
People who use plex for game time tend to over estimate how many people do the same. The last time CCP told us about it, it was less than 10%. Same for multiboxers, most people don't have multiple accounts so people shedding alt accounts wouldn't hurt much. PLEX changes/price rises are in this way just like ISBoxer, many a isbox multiboxer predicted that EVE's pcu and sub numbers would take a hit if they banned isboxer, but that never happened, because despite the visibility of those guys (like the guy who could solo incursions), they were really only a very small part of the population. When did CCP say this? I find it hard to believe. EVE with just 1 account must be so tedious. No scanner, no scout, no hauler, no neutral, no salvager, no booster, ... How can you even do anything effectively? From what i have seen, EVE players love alts. Even for simple or silly tasks. I have seen people create alts just because they wanted a capspray (a cheap, expendable osprey giving them cap at all times). What was the saying again ... somthing like: EVE is played by 12 people and their alts.
http://targetcaller.blogspot.com/2015/09/players-and-accounts-courtesy-of-ccp.html
I can't find the fanfest presentation with the plex thing, ill keep looking. But 2/3rds of EVE payes have only 1 account and 94% of players have 3 or fewer accounts. I have 4 accounts (5 if you count the one I let lapse and don't use) which puts me in the 6% with more than 3.
But I didn't need CCP Quant to tell me that most players don't multibox at all, its easy to see if you don't look at people as if they are all the same as you. I multibox because I too think EVE can be really tedious without alts, but that's me, I know many people don't play like I do.
EVE is not 12 people and their alts, it's a couple hundred thousand people and 12 guys who think those other people are alts. |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
620
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Posted - 2017.05.21 14:48:57 -
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Beta Maoye wrote:Before plex change, players need at least 1B to push the ingame market price up 0.01 isk. but now players need only 0.003B to push the price up 0.01 isk. It has never been easier to move the price. The cost of buy-low-sell-high game is so low that the price can be pushed up to a ridiculous level before the bubble collapse.
Linked to this is the fact that plex prices are rising largely because people expect them to rise. Any slack in the demand side of the equation is filled by investors who expect more isk in return later down the line. I doubt it is possible for plex to naturally come down in price even if supply was way over demand.
I said earlier people would rather work jobs than play eve, it seems most of the replies actually agree with this statement. Only a few have noticed that earning isk in a game can actually be fun and so some people might prefer that instead of working extra hours at their job. The high plex prices to me indicate few people are willing to trade their farmed isk for gametime, and on the flipside equally many people would rather work IRL than play eve.
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
154
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Posted - 2017.05.21 15:40:42 -
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It says something about the game when you would rather work then play it XDDD
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Demica Diaz
SE-1
419
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Posted - 2017.05.21 16:58:16 -
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No supprise there. Happens in every game that does this kind of thing. Warcraft's token cost 20k last expansion. Now price is 250k. Same happens to EVE, though not as fast. Overall it comes down to players will to pay ingame money to extrent their sub. When that becomes impossible, I suspect that many quit the game rather than go back to real money subscription. But I base it on my own and long list of friends experience with WoW and a bit of EVE, so not exact science here.
Overall I hope CCP keeps game "worth to pay to play" on casual level or else none but hardcore fans be logging in. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6491
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Posted - 2017.05.21 20:22:09 -
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Vampyr wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I'm quite enjoying it even though it's making my in game expenses go up (it now costs 6 bil a month to plex my 4 accounts, 200 mil a day). I'm enjoying it because of all the crying that's coming from the entitled fools who don't understand that plex is a luxury and that no one (including CCP) owes anyone cheap plex. All the crying? One thread with five responses before you post your scathing indictment of the EVE player base. Out of how many hundreds of thousands of players? Don't be such a drama queen. Mr Epeen You think EVE has 'hundreds of thousands' of players?
If the average number of players logging in over the course of the day is say 25,000 that suggests that yes, there are hundreds of thousands of players. Crude "Bubba" math would suggest an upper bound of around 600,000. Note I used the term upper bound. Based on this I would not be surprised if there are 300,000-400,000 subscribers that pay in some fashion.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6491
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Posted - 2017.05.21 20:25:41 -
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Beta Maoye wrote:Before plex change, players need at least 1B to push the ingame market price up 0.01 isk. but now players need only 0.003B to push the price up 0.01 isk. It has never been easier to move the price. The cost of buy-low-sell-high game is so low that the price can be pushed up to a ridiculous level before the bubble collapse.
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2017.05.21 20:32:26 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Beta Maoye wrote:Before plex change, players need at least 1B to push the ingame market price up 0.01 isk. but now players need only 0.003B to push the price up 0.01 isk. It has never been easier to move the price. The cost of buy-low-sell-high game is so low that the price can be pushed up to a ridiculous level before the bubble collapse. its how the inflation conspiracy works were all in on it for a fee of 500m i can get you in on it too |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
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Posted - 2017.05.23 09:20:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kisar wrote:
Probably going to hit their account numbers if they don't do something to stabilize PLEX prices.
People who use plex for game time tend to over estimate how many people do the same. The last time CCP told us about it, it was less than 10%. Same for multiboxers, most people don't have multiple accounts so people shedding alt accounts wouldn't hurt much. PLEX changes/price rises are in this way just like ISBoxer, many a isbox multiboxer predicted that EVE's pcu and sub numbers would take a hit if they banned isboxer, but that never happened, because despite the visibility of those guys (like the guy who could solo incursions), they were really only a very small part of the population. I heard lots of the alts were repurposed into injector farms.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33906
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Posted - 2017.05.23 09:39:54 -
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People had alts and they used to PLEX those accounts, so as PLEX prices were steadily going up and PLEXing them was harder, and CCP decided to monetize on delivering SP extractors, they extracted those SP and sold it, to buy more PLEX for less account, PLEXing into the future, to the moon and back again. They can now play Omega clones for free, for like.... ever?
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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
430
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Posted - 2017.05.24 16:21:38 -
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As the F2P bubble finally subsides and we move back into the lower (steadily declining) concurrent player population, it will be interesting to see the net effect of both changes on prices and gameplay.
I believe the math dictates that the net effect on CCPs bottom-line has to be "not good." If the number of concurrent players is the same as it was prior to F2P being introduced, and a portion of those current players are just on Alphas, the total paying population has to have taken a significant hit.
The microtransactions/PLEX purchasing is being used to shore-up that loss, but for how long?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.05.24 16:38:47 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kisar wrote:
Probably going to hit their account numbers if they don't do something to stabilize PLEX prices.
People who use plex for game time tend to over estimate how many people do the same. The last time CCP told us about it, it was less than 10%. Same for multiboxers, most people don't have multiple accounts so people shedding alt accounts wouldn't hurt much. PLEX changes/price rises are in this way just like ISBoxer, many a isbox multiboxer predicted that EVE's pcu and sub numbers would take a hit if they banned isboxer, but that never happened, because despite the visibility of those guys (like the guy who could solo incursions), they were really only a very small part of the population. I heard lots of the alts were repurposed into injector farms. You heard correctly.
It's a lot more efficient, with some exceptions, to make extractor monkeys than developing characters for sale.
What I see happening is that eventually the number of players with characters SP injected to where they want will max out. This will make all the extractor monkeys pointless and not needed. So active accts will drop significantly and CCP will have to come up with a legit scheme to attract new players. Not the false active acct narrative they are currently trying to sell to those that can't look beyond the now.
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Mosquito squadron The-Culture
2185
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Posted - 2017.05.25 14:42:05 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kisar wrote:
Probably going to hit their account numbers if they don't do something to stabilize PLEX prices.
People who use plex for game time tend to over estimate how many people do the same. The last time CCP told us about it, it was less than 10%. Same for multiboxers, most people don't have multiple accounts so people shedding alt accounts wouldn't hurt much. PLEX changes/price rises are in this way just like ISBoxer, many a isbox multiboxer predicted that EVE's pcu and sub numbers would take a hit if they banned isboxer, but that never happened, because despite the visibility of those guys (like the guy who could solo incursions), they were really only a very small part of the population. I heard lots of the alts were repurposed into injector farms. You heard correctly. It's a lot more efficient, with some exceptions, to make extractor monkeys than developing characters for sale. What I see happening is that eventually the number of players with characters SP injected to where they want will max out. This will make all the extractor monkeys pointless and not needed. So active accts will drop significantly and CCP will have to come up with a legit scheme to attract new players. Not the false active acct narrative they are currently trying to sell to those that can't look beyond the now. Mr Epeen The problem is that it could be already late at that point
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Salvos Rhoska
2941
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Posted - 2017.05.25 15:04:05 -
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The slippery slope has begun and will pick up speed.
The result being players like me who care enough and earn enough to sub, and those with so much isk to PLEX indefinately, as the remainder of players.
Activity and accounts are going to drop like flies this summer.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
145
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Posted - 2017.05.25 15:46:29 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:The slippery slope has begun and will pick up speed.
The result being players like me who care enough and earn enough to sub, and those with so much isk to PLEX indefinately, as the remainder of players.
Activity and accounts are going to drop like flies this summer.
You can't plex unless someone buys the plex to sell.
So I wonder how that second group works going forward to be honest. If they've already collected the plex... they're good. But if they just have the isk... if people aren't buying plexes it won't matter.
We have players buying plex with real funds to get in game funds. If the interest in doing that shrinks too much... the game is in trouble. If the players who want to play using in-game funds but never spend real money declines too much... the game is in trouble.
The number of players is important only so far as it drives plex purposes and subscriptions. Losing numbers who aren't paying real money doesn't actually matter for the health of CCP... unless their leaving makes players who are subscribing stop doing so or makes the isk price of plex go down to the point that people aren't getting enough isk to warrant the real world financial cost of plex.
I'm not willing to predict anything yet... it's an interesting situation to watch. |
Salvos Rhoska
2943
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Posted - 2017.05.25 16:02:43 -
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There is already so much unused PLEX in stockpiles (especially after Aurum stockpiles where converted), that it has skewed the market.
CCP produces PLEX, but players own, and have stockpiled, PLEX (and Aurum, as converted to PLEX now, making them even richer), WAAY beyond the rate of PLEX introduction and use per month.
The hidden supply of PLEX held by players, is unfathomable. Presumptuously, thousands upon thousands held by concentrated/deliberate entities.
CCP may control the introduction of PLEX into the game, but its these entities ingame that control its value ingame.
CCP cannot/will not control the price of PLEX, it is entirely in the hands of those with PLEX stockpiles ingame.
Ergo: CCPs sub/PLEX sales are reliant on the actions of PLEX stockpilers ingame. Thus, these PLEX stockpilers not only control the price of PLEX ingame, but also the value of subbing/buying PLEX from CCP.
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Posted - 2017.05.25 17:21:23 -
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I figure that as PLEX rises, then supply will increase as people get tempted to buy them with real money. Supply increases, prices drop.
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