no timer starts until it has been warped to (the wh doesn't even exist until then) once warped to it will not show up until you jump it. this lasts until the WH has 15hrs left at that point every few minutes there is a chance for the K162 to spawn. took me a bit but managed to find the dev blog

The wormhole opens on the other side when you simply initiate warp to it...

The wormhole opens on the other side when you simply initiate warp to it...

Fremen always doing to much spice

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far. Keep it coming.

We completely agree that the potential decrease in available connections (especially to K-space) is an issue to consider heavily. Thanks to all of you who have brought it up.

We're doing some investigating into setting a timer that will make the sig visible eventually even if nobody travels through it, and we'll let you know what we decide.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread we completely agree with the concerns raised here about this change potentially decreasing the number of exits to K-space dramatically.

We've done a bit more investigating and chatting with the CSM and we are currently planning to give K162s a random chance to appear every once and a while whenever they have less than 15 hours of lifespan remaining.

Under this system, the K162 spawning mechanics would be as follows:
K162 wormholes and signatures are spawned in an invisible state when someone initiated warp to the other side of the connection.
K162 signatures become immediately visible when someone jumps through the wormhole connection for the first time.
IF the K162 signature is in an invisible state and the wormhole connection has less than 15 hours of lifetime remaining, it will have a chance of becoming visible every few minutes, balanced so that virtually all K162s will appear within a couple hours or less from this point.

This will ensure that if people choose not to warp through their wormhole connections after warping to them, the wormhole systems on the other side will still gain the ability to use that connection eventually.

If you don't warp to a wormhole at all, it will act in the same way that it does now. However since players will now get a less extreme early warning when a new connection that exits in their system appears and we're adding more random wormhole connections, this should help a little bit with the isolation problem.

Even with the timer, K162s will never appear unless someone has initiated warp to the other side.
If you don't warp to a wormhole at all, the behavior of that wormhole will not be changing in Hyperion.

Unfortunately there is literally no way to test if this is true as you can't know where it's going before it gets there. No experimentation whatsoever can produce an answer on whether or not the other side of the wormhole spawns from your static.

And while even CCP is vague on the subject (probably on purpose) they're the closest thing to fact we have for these mechanics.

There is an experiment you can make. It is very tedious and requires a bit of luck in terms that no other WH spawns, but it can be done:
- Roll all your connections, including your static.
- Don't warp to your static.
- Wait
- Wait more
- If no one warps to the new static, it will remain there, way beyond the 24 hours it was supposed to last.

Vague? Read it again and point out where is part that you think is "vague".
It is pretty clear to me.

So if the K162 is never spawned the wormhole never decays? Well that's an interesting point of fact. If only we could see the numbers behind it and prove it.

So if the K162 is never spawned the wormhole never decays? Well that's an interesting point of fact. If only we could see the numbers behind it and prove it. We've had a few wormholes last 72+ hours, but we had warped to them and through them in several cases. We filed bug reports every time they did though.

If the time the WH is supposed to despawn matches with downtime then strange things happen, like a new static may appear on the same spot, with the same signature name of the old one, but leading to a different system.

If in your case the 72+ hours WH leads to the same exact system, then it's a different bug I guess.

this is why people dumb enough to mine in WH will only warp to one belt at a time so as to keep any others around longer

Don't you think there are big corps mining with rorqual fleets, in closed wormholes? I honestly don't think its dumb, specially because WH mining stats don't show up in the montly economy report.

because it is far more lucrative to do in null its also safer. mining used to be an okay idea in WH when the sites were sigs. but now you have 0 warning if a cloaky fleet shows up. no probes no d-scan no nothing till you are tackled

Sorry, I've read this thread, but I'm still not understanding what happens when a new static spawns (let's say, right after a roll) and you DON'T warp to it. Can someone elaborate?

nothing no anom/sig actually spawns until it is first warped to

So you effectively wall off a hole (with the exception of inbound K162s) if you roll out the statics and never jump to them?
And if the answer to that question is yes, just to be super clear: Does anything happen if you scan them down, but don't jump to them? Like, does the act of scanning a hole do anything?

nothing no anom/sig actually spawns until it is first warped to

Sorry, I've read this thread, but I'm still not understanding what happens when a new static spawns (let's say, right after a roll) and you DON'T warp to it. Can someone elaborate?

You do understand, you just don't believe it.