Yo uare basically saying the war is lost even without seeing what the other side is fielding.

There is no details on the subsystem attributes OR bonuses. I'd wait until we at least get those out before running in circles and shouting that the sky is falling....

There's quite a few smart people in the focus group, even a few industrials got in there. I'm pretty sure there will be people bringing your usage-case into the table as well.

As mentioned earlier I also think it would be a better idea to fix slot layouts and simply use the subs to apply % increases to stats instead

I hate these exclusive little Focus groups that just excludes everyone else.. isn't there already a csm for that?
removable rigs ... at 60 mil a pop for a set of T2 rigs.. does that really encourage versatility?

T3's need simplifying and cheapening ... 600mil plus isn't acceptable price for a cruiser especially when you add on spares (rigs/subs/mods)... and thats before you nerf them...

Needed Changes

massive price reduction ( dirt cheap subs so its viable too have lots of them in cargo too swap around)
No rigs
T1 resists (the EHP is just insane and the low sig + high resists is just a dumb combo)
build all stats/slots into the hull ( would make it much less convoluted and less time consuming and annoying)

I hate these exclusive little Focus groups that just excludes everyone else.. isn't there already a csm for that?
removable rigs ... at 60 mil a pop for a set of T2 rigs.. does that really encourage versatility?

T3's need simplifying and cheapening ... 600mil plus isn't acceptable price for a cruiser especially when you add on spares (rigs/subs/mods)... and thats before you nerf them...

Reducing the number of subsystems is a bad idea. When you try to make game "more simple" Star Wars Galaxies happens.

Just guess here, but you also believe a Ferrari needs to be much less expensive..

These are supposed to be specialized high-end ships and that comes with a price both in prerequisite to fly and components. I agree with the Focus group comment though. That is more of a 'see.. we care' option than anything else and will not add anything to the probably already locked and set plans for the nerf.

But isn't that the point? Isn't Tech III supposed to be better than Tech 2?

Other than general balancing between each class, Strategic Cruisers do not need to be nerfed. Rather, if you want them to be more uncommon, make them require additional skills or up the difficulty by increasing the 'Training Time Multiplier' of all of the subsystem and spaceship command skills.

Reducing the number of subsystems is a bad idea. When you try to make game "more simple" Star Wars Galaxies happens.

Thing is, its risk vs reward, you get a high versatility high performance ship but you risk losing 4 days of training time if you die, i'm fine with it remaining and i don't touch injectors

Nothing to do with risk vs reward. SP loss was there because they were OP (high versatility is debatable), they won't be now from what we seen so far.

But isn't that the point? Isn't Tech III supposed to be better than Tech 2?

Other than general balancing between each class, Strategic Cruisers do not need to be nerfed. Rather, if you want them to be more uncommon, make them require additional skills or up the difficulty by increasing the 'Training Time Multiplier' of all of the subsystem and spaceship command skills.

The same goes for the Tactical Destroyers, they are rediculously easy to train into for Tech III....

Now I know this would make some people disgruntled, but the fact being is that T3 is suppose to be the elite state-of-the-art technology and shouldn't be a cake walk to qualify in operating. Even worse if they're surpassed by lower tech level starships; what's the point if any T3C configuration can't even match it's ship class counterpart?!

Just my 0.02 kredits.

The very idea that "less subsystems = more simple game" is stupid.

Hardly, they are being reduced because some of them are just flat out worthless and the engineering and electronics are being rolled in to a single core package, whats the point in having 5 billions subs if only a handful are ever actually used

What will happen to the Strategic Cruiser skills? I have them injected, but not trained. I guess training them now would be a bad idea?

I don't think anyone (from the players side) in here can give you valid instuctions on what to do in this occasion, simply because we don't have a clue.
Only the devs know for sure but i doubt that they will tell you something more than what is already revealed.
In my opinion follow your instincts in cases like this and hope for the best. At least you have the luxury , at this point, to wait end see and then decide.Most of us don't.

i hope the refit feature gets some love. its THE uniqueness in design they have.
--> more cargo
--> less time for mobile depot or not needed
--> rigs refittable
--> less powerful than T2 but highly adaptable.

Maybe this can be achieved by modes like on T3D but with a higher transittime. and also not instantly (30seconds enough?)
Refit/depot mode: dont need mobile Depot.

- I LOVE the idea of switching out rigs freely. Now you won't need to buy multiple T3s for different roles like PvP and can easily switch out your exploration fit for PvP deep in null without gimping your fit. This helps solo players a lot too who are far away from home. This is probably my favorite change.

- I imagine this is a given, but keep the covert ops + nullification function. I usually use the emergent locus analyzer too for the scanning bonus when using that setup in wormholes to get around.

- How slots change when switching out subsystems could be made easier visually at a glance that it is currently. Switching out preset fits is clunky and time consuming, especially in space at a mobile depo. The whole fitting system for T3s needs redesigned so you can actually use preset fits without a bunch of errors due to slots being added and removed during the fit. It pretty much makes it mandatory to do it manually.

- Remove the skill-point loss upon death. T3s are already expensive enough to lose without having that additional hit incurred and makes players more risk averse in them.

- Looking forward to getting updated art for them, and hopefully new skins at some point.

- Make a dedicated subsystem for extra cargo-hold space (or roll the bonus into an existing subsystem used commonly during travel like covert ops). Solo T3 players have to carry everything around all the time and it would alleviate the headache of juggling cargo expanders. Or just add a separate "charges" cargohold to hold ammunition since that is what takes of most of the space the majority of the time.

I just was going to buy my first T3C.. But now I will probably wait and see. They will either nerf it and it will become tanky good for nothing or they will "accidently" imbalance it into something like Svipul not long ago.. and nerf it later. Either way if it will not fill roles of HAC and Recon what can it be good for anyway? Command ship? Logistic cruiser? Relic hacking explosion tanking covops? Somehow I don't think anything good will come out of it.
If number of subsystems on T3C will go down, how by the way it will affect overall price of the ship?

What will happen to the Strategic Cruiser skills? I have them injected, but not trained. I guess training them now would be a bad idea?

The very idea that "less subsystems = more simple game" is stupid.

No one is going to fly a T3 that sucks in comparison to a T2. There has to be some benefit to using a T3 in place of T2, if we still have to dock to change ship parameters. Point proteus, neut legion, web loki and jamgu have more tank in place of less ewar effectiveness.

These ship configurations provide meaningful ewar bonuses without stepping on the toes of their recon counterparts. They were balanced and meant you could have beefy ewar for huge brawls without having to rely on a BS.

In the case of HACs, they could be given more dps to match their T3 counterparts. No more no less. They are already faster and more agile.

One solo pilot said he enjoys flying though gatecamps unharmed. Maybe there should be a cloaky nullified exploration ship. Just make it a frigate that can't fit cynos. Why should a cruiser fill the role of a scout in the first place?