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Rhohan Alhamar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.07 21:42:08 -
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I've been subjugated to a conudrum of a situation involving another user who has been providing assets to me in exchange that I support an endeavor of his considering my current lack of finances. I'm stifled as to how to treat this matter delicately without offending the one providing these "Gifts" or ending up further entrenched in his pocket. May someone kindly advise me in how to handle this properly? |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3165
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Posted - 2017.06.07 21:43:05 -
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if you feel guilty you can always send me the items
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed The Bastard Cartel
1708
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:01:43 -
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There are two ways to handle a bribe
1) Accept it 2) Don't accept it.
If you choose #1 make sure the bribe is large enough to cover the hole where your integrity used to be.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2693
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:07:10 -
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I find that confusion around what to do with things someone gave to you very un Eve like. Given how the Eve universe is all about ways to get other peoples stuff in any manner possible the answer is easy. Take the stuff and know you are being true to Eve. |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
806
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:11:25 -
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Never turn down voluntary donations.
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Live by the Code - die by the Code.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
6580
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:11:46 -
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Accept the bribe and then backstab him for putting you in this awkward situation in the first place.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1224
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:45:06 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Accept the bribe and then backstab him for putting you in this awkward situation in the first place.
I was just about to say you could just take his stuff or what ever it is that the bribe entails and treat him to a nice lesson in what you get when you mix the words "Eve" and "trust" together.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1660
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:56:27 -
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You are a capsuleer now. Any form of ethical values or moral standards have evaporated and became completely meaningless when you paid for the transfer to your first clone with the destruction of your original body.
So take his stuff and Pix Severus' advice.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
7
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:06:01 -
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Play along, taking his resources, while looking for the most opportune moment to sell him out or just screw him over.
Then put a bounty on him using some of his own (former) assets to rub salt in the wound.
Transfer remaining assets to yet another alt with no history and act like it never happened.
You are now an upstanding citizen with a lucky inheritance. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3616
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:11:10 -
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Take as much stuff as you possibly can from him, play along with the "bribery" as long as you can maintain the rouse. Transfer the stuff to a new alt and biomass this one. You are less than a month old it seems, you won't have lost too much progress.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Eleanor Roscommon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:20:13 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Accept the bribe and then backstab him for putting you in this awkward situation in the first place.
And then tell him, "Welcome to EVE". |
Rhohan Alhamar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:34:55 -
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To summarize the situation, If I continue supporting him, the more the gifts flow in so to speak as he is vastly more experienced in terms of user time, and It is unwise to bite the hand that feeds. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3169
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:48:29 -
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Rhohan Alhamar wrote:To summarize the situation, If I continue supporting him, the more the gifts flow in so to speak as he is vastly more experienced in terms of user time, and It is unwise to bite the hand that feeds. if it is beneficial then keep it going. he gives you stuff, you do things for him, everybody wins, sounds more like a normal payment than bribery. If you stop seeing benefits then move along and say it was fun, but time to move on, and they should get that.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
634
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:53:47 -
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Only Bribery if you are being paid to do illegal stuff and the like or to Ignore the same. Are you being used as an isk launderer? Are you being paid to hack accounts for him to steal stuff from? Is he paying you off to not turn him in for stuff? |
Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
9
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:55:38 -
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Rhohan Alhamar wrote:unwise to bite the hand that feeds But with a little salt, it's so delicious. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2913
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Posted - 2017.06.08 03:49:16 -
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As far as I'm concerned, there are pretty much only two guiding principles in EvE:
1. Don't betray your own group. Sure you can but imo then you suck. 2. Don't do stuff that actually violates the game rules and/or EULA
Other than those, pretty much anything goes.
caveat emptor
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2482
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Posted - 2017.06.08 05:47:56 -
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Just do whatever you want, and be ready for the consequences.
This is EVE, where you must think for yourself instead of letting others do the thinking for you. Unless you want to be an F1 monkey or a miner for the rest of your life.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Felyx Ravencroft
58
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Posted - 2017.06.08 06:01:32 -
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To me, this sounds like a symbiotic relationship: both of you are benefiting. I thought maybe you were having a problem with freebies compromising your sense of personal achievement (I can understand that), but your reference to "biting the hand that feeds you" suggests that that's not your objection. So, what then? Are you feeling like a kept woman? In that case, perhaps try to transform your perception: the other party is currying your favour, so YOU are in the position of power. (This would likely be a total self-deception, as perhaps it's just the other player trying to be nice and helping out by throwing you scraps, but hey - whatever works for you.) Imagine the following: bribery is merely the inverse of extortion - if you were blackmailing/strongarming the other player, the dynamic would be very similar - you'd be getting those 'gifts' in exchange for your continued support, or protection, or whatever...
Alternatively, grow a spine (this may sound harsh, but I just can't put it any simpler.) |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
549
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Posted - 2017.06.08 09:03:31 -
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"Bribery" usually means "Hiring you to compromise the power structure you're a part of."
Like... leading the fleet you're flying with to its doom for a fee or selling corporate secrets.
If the person paying you isn't hiring you to backstab someone, it's more mercenary work than bribery.
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
536
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Posted - 2017.06.08 11:59:43 -
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Step 1: Make sure that your briber or the fact that you've been bribed is not easily connected to you. Forum alts work wonders.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
34876
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Posted - 2017.06.08 12:02:19 -
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Take it and do nothing. That will teach them.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1588
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Posted - 2017.06.08 12:20:14 -
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I always laughed at people that thought taking something from someone actually put you into their pocket. Sure, if they actually have power, they can lean on you or try to hurt you in return if you do not comply but that hardly means you are in their pocket. In Eve as in life if someone gives you something, regardless of the reason why, it is yours and you dont have to do a thing in return if you dont wish to. Sure, often there are consequences, but frankly if you arent strong enough to deal with those you arent much of anything imo.
Whats mine is mine and whats yours... will in time also be mine. So eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you will die.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1204
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Posted - 2017.06.08 21:47:03 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I find that confusion around what to do with things someone gave to you very un Eve like. Given how the Eve universe is all about ways to get other peoples stuff in any manner possible the answer is easy. Take the stuff and know you are being true to Eve.
EVE's about climbing the ladder. You can do that with cheap scams, you can do that by playing the long con, or, as Chribba has proven, you can do that by being the one person in the game well known to do neither.
Or you can just grind.
TL;DR there are many ways to make ISK. OP, if that angst of yours is real angst, go find another way to make your ISK. If you're a masochist and you enjoy the intrigue, by all means, raise the pot.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1892
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Posted - 2017.06.08 23:37:06 -
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A bribe is what you give to someone in authority to treat you better, differently or more leniently. It's being passed up a power hierarchy. A gift is given and puts the recipient in a position of indebtness, as it is being handed down a power hierarchy.
The responses here that assume that treachery is always the best option are from people with little experience of power. The basis of all relationships is trust. If you want to do big things you need others you can trust. That's the joke of EvE: people treat you differently based on ownership of fictional assets, the most important thing of all, trust, is not for sale.
You have a chance to build a relationship, you have choices that will shape your future.
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Rhohan Alhamar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.06.10 18:14:51 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:A bribe is what you give to someone in authority to treat you better, differently or more leniently. It's being passed up a power hierarchy. A gift is given and puts the recipient in a position of indebtness, as it is being handed down a power hierarchy.
The responses here that assume that treachery is always the best option are from people with little experience of power. The basis of all relationships is trust. If you want to do big things you need others you can trust. That's the joke of EvE: people treat you differently based on ownership of fictional assets, the most important thing of all, trust, is not for sale.
You have a chance to build a relationship, you have choices that will shape your future.
Updating my current status, I've managed to begin paying my "Benefactor" back and he is delighted by my current influx of funds, proposing I'd be the recipient of any future contracts on items he produces so my vassalization is coming near to an end once i return the 30 million in funds I owe him. |
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
193
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Posted - 2017.06.10 19:10:13 -
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Take his stuff, then stab him in the back! MWHUHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
228
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Posted - 2017.06.11 04:17:01 -
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If this "endeavor" doesn't involve screwing over a 3'rd party and is not shady, I'd argue it's not bribery. More like buying a slave... Go to Provi and roleplay?
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
581
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Posted - 2017.06.11 10:44:25 -
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Rhohan Alhamar wrote:I've been subjugated to a conudrum of a situation involving another user who has been providing assets to me in exchange that I support an endeavor of his considering my current lack of finances. I'm stifled as to how to treat this matter delicately without offending the one providing these "Gifts" or ending up further entrenched in his pocket. May someone kindly advise me in how to handle this properly?
It's a game, just take everything and if you get bored, start taking his gifts and not doing anything until he stops. |
Aeryn Maricadie
Doin It Wrong Late Night Overheating
25
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Posted - 2017.06.12 06:51:37 -
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What you are describing is not bribery, bribery is specifically about compensation for betrayal. |
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