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Karma Warrior
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:16:20 -
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so i'v resubbed after a 2 year break, short question whats the best ways to make isk these days? |
Berreta Hinken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:22:08 -
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Karma Warrior wrote:so i'v resubbed after a 2 year break, short question whats the best ways to make isk these days?
Doesn't matter it will get nerfed. Train for cruisers and hope for the best. When I say train I mean just pay money and instantly skill up with injectors. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35008
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:23:16 -
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Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11380
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:38:40 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK.
Mr Epeen
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3190
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:43:35 -
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highsec mission running 200m/hr+ mainly doing the burner missions and blitzing a few normal ones to keep standings up highsec incursions I've heard anywhere from 100-200m/hr nullsec ratting, more dps more isk/hr. carrier ratting is pretty popular right now but that is getting hit with the nerfbat soon lowsec lv5s massive LP farm opportunity. lowsec faction warfare: minmatar is high t4 and sometimes hits t5, and gallente has t3. blitz the missions make a ton of LP. exploration best hacking sites are in null/wh space I've heard over 100m/hr from those combat exploration highly variable all sorts of shiny drops are possible.
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
5112
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:45:22 -
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Or for the more advanced: -Buy PLEX with RL money, -Double the PLEX in Jita -Sell the doubled PLEX for ISK -(On the side, roll an Alpha toon and hang out in new players chat and use the "I lost my Rifter" spiel to solicit donations) -Buy skill injectors with the ISK -Build a super Omega char with the skill injectors -(On the side, use the Alpha toon to fit a warp stabbed ship and farm ISK in FW) -Use the super chart to gank freighters in Uedama and scoop the loot, until you get bored -Extract the skills from the Omega -Sell the skill injectors in Jita, buy PLEX -? -Profit |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16127
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:57:17 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK. Mr Epeen
I imagine this idea appeals to you because you don't like plex to begin with and it appeals to everyone that is crying because it's very easy to think that "CCP is changing things because they are greedy).
But it's nonsense, and actually the same kind of nonsense that we see everytime CCP nerfs something that people learned to exploit. In fact , the complaints that are happening now are the same ones that happened during the 1st Incursion nerf and when CCP rebalanced FW rewards the 1st time
EVE will still have numerous PVE ways to generate wealth after Tuesday. Carriers will still be able to Blitz l5 missions for 500 mil an hour (and without blowing up the economy because missions give LP more than liquid isk, and it's the liquid isk of anoms that is the problem here)
This entire time I've been farming null anoms with sub capital ships and I'm doing fine (like I said in other places, I actually pay attention to what CCP does and I knew Fighter Squadrons would get a big nerf just as soon as enough people jumped on that bandwagon...just like incursions that time 5 years ago and Rorquals more recently).
It's always amazing to me how people act like the world is ending when CCP takes away some seriously OP BS they foolishly came to rely on (not you, talking about the folks complaining about the fighter squadron rebalance). |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11381
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Posted - 2017.06.11 22:07:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK. Mr Epeen I imagine this idea appeals to you because you don't like plex to begin with and it appeals to everyone that is crying because it's very easy to think that "CCP is changing things because they are greedy). But it's nonsense, and actually the same kind of nonsense that we see everytime CCP nerfs something that people learned to exploit. In fact , the complaints that are happening now are the same ones that happened during the 1st Incursion nerf and when CCP rebalanced FW rewards the 1st time EVE will still have numerous PVE ways to generate wealth after Tuesday. Carriers will still be able to Blitz l5 missions for 500 mil an hour (and without blowing up the economy because missions give LP more than liquid isk, and it's the liquid isk of anoms that is the problem here) This entire time I've been farming null anoms with sub capital ships and I'm doing fine (like I said in other places, I actually pay attention to what CCP does and I knew Fighter Squadrons would get a big nerf just as soon as enough people jumped on that bandwagon...just like incursions that time 5 years ago and Rorquals more recently). It's always amazing to me how people act like the world is ending when CCP takes away some seriously OP BS they foolishly came to rely on (not you, talking about the folks complaining about the fighter squadron rebalance). What's amazing to me is how you can turn pretty much anything you respond to into a strawman that pushes your agenda.
Mr Epeen .
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35010
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Posted - 2017.06.11 22:22:02 -
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Nerf Jenn.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
734
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Posted - 2017.06.11 22:26:26 -
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Get a carrier |
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16127
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Posted - 2017.06.11 22:28:12 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK. Mr Epeen I imagine this idea appeals to you because you don't like plex to begin with and it appeals to everyone that is crying because it's very easy to think that "CCP is changing things because they are greedy). But it's nonsense, and actually the same kind of nonsense that we see everytime CCP nerfs something that people learned to exploit. In fact , the complaints that are happening now are the same ones that happened during the 1st Incursion nerf and when CCP rebalanced FW rewards the 1st time EVE will still have numerous PVE ways to generate wealth after Tuesday. Carriers will still be able to Blitz l5 missions for 500 mil an hour (and without blowing up the economy because missions give LP more than liquid isk, and it's the liquid isk of anoms that is the problem here) This entire time I've been farming null anoms with sub capital ships and I'm doing fine (like I said in other places, I actually pay attention to what CCP does and I knew Fighter Squadrons would get a big nerf just as soon as enough people jumped on that bandwagon...just like incursions that time 5 years ago and Rorquals more recently). It's always amazing to me how people act like the world is ending when CCP takes away some seriously OP BS they foolishly came to rely on (not you, talking about the folks complaining about the fighter squadron rebalance). What's amazing to me is how you can turn pretty much anything you respond to into a strawman that pushes your agenda. Mr Epeen .
You simply have no ability to address your biases. YOU just started a whole thread about plex. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35012
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Posted - 2017.06.11 22:33:28 -
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I am still getting that chimera. Some day it will be OP again. =ƒæî
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3190
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Posted - 2017.06.12 00:02:29 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK. Mr Epeen
I'm interested to see where plex goes, these changes have a few effects, there seem to be a few supply/demand shifts happening at the same time.
less isk coming into the game -> less isk available to buy plex -> plex prices go down all those bitter vets actually quit -> less plex demand -> prices go down all those bitter vets actually quit -> less people buying plex for cash -> plex prices go up less isk/hr for ratters -> more likely to buy plex -> plex prices go down fewer reasons to buy skill injectors -> less reasons to buy plex -> plex prices go up
I guess the big question is do bitter vets buy more plex in game with isk, or in RL with cash?
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16129
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Posted - 2017.06.12 00:38:57 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK. Mr Epeen I'm interested to see where plex goes, these changes have a few effects, there seem to be a few supply/demand shifts happening at the same time. less isk coming into the game -> less isk available to buy plex -> plex prices go down all those bitter vets actually quit -> less plex demand -> prices go down all those bitter vets actually quit -> less people buying plex for cash -> plex prices go up less isk/hr for ratters -> more likely to buy plex -> plex prices go down fewer reasons to buy skill injectors -> less reasons to buy plex -> plex prices go up I guess the big question is do bitter vets buy more plex in game with isk, or in RL with cash?
Another probable good effect is less people ratting in general. Lots of people only started ratting because the isk per hour increased with the introduction of Fighter Squadrons. In the same way the Incursion nerf made the incursion communities shed a whole bunch of fair weather incursion runners, so too will these changes.
This is good because with less isk coming in the isk everyone owns becomes more valuable, and with few people ratting PLUS the escalation and loot drop changes, when you DO get loot it will be like hitting the jack pot. And people who actually put in the time to explore in null will be rewarded by finding sites people actually want to run so they can sell those or run them themselves (in lots of place sin null right now you can find scannable DED 10/10s that no one does because X type loot isn't worth the hassle and its' easier to just buy escalated sites).
A few month from now no one will remember all this complaining. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
230
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Posted - 2017.06.12 00:52:40 -
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OP is a CCP alt gathering intel on what to nerf next xP
Try everything before committing. 200m/h is no good if after 20 minutes you want to stab your eyes out.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
35087
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Posted - 2017.06.12 01:52:58 -
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I sold a 60 day timecode and it lasted me like three years
I played for a couple years actively after that and ended up with 20 billion just taking missions here and there. I did maybe two years with goonwaffe after that and tbh the flow of SRP for losses in strategic fleets just felt decadent.
My basic advice is seek activities that are fun and also provide ISK rewards. A lot of the game is structured that way, either by CCP alone in PVE or as a result of proper systems made by players.
I think it's a mistake to treat ISK accumulation and fun gameplay separately.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Rain6637
NulzSec
35087
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Posted - 2017.06.12 01:57:19 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. +1
Unless you're willing to become a turbonerd, this is the most practical way to enjoy yourself in EVE. If I catch a movie in IMAX 3D and get a large popcorn and drink it's easily $35 - $40 USD. In contrast an annual account is maybe $11 a month plus change, and you get 1.5 BILLION ISK for $15 now. That kind of real world money isn't hard to come by, and should be faster to earn than grinding it in game, in terms of hours of your life spent. Hopefully.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Radious Servasse
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
137
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Posted - 2017.06.12 02:05:01 -
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For the solo individual, exploration. For the antagonist, Faction Warfare. For those who wish to live in the wilderness, wormhole living. Probably the best isk in the game is to live in a C5 or C6 wormhole, using a dread and farming combat sites. I've heard of people who have made a bill an hour doing that, but it requires multiple accounts and capital ships. Not to mention you could be caught up in a pvp cap battle where your 3B shinny ship gets wreaked. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
735
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Posted - 2017.06.12 04:47:43 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:I am still getting that chimera. Some day it will be OP again. =ƒæî
I'm still saving up for a hel. Even If it's not as good anymore it's still a sexy looking ship and I want it. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
735
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Posted - 2017.06.12 04:52:20 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. +1 Unless you're willing to become a turbonerd, this is the most practical way to enjoy yourself in EVE. If I catch a movie in IMAX 3D and get a large popcorn and drink it's easily $35 - $40 USD. In contrast an annual account is maybe $11 a month plus change, and you get 1.5 BILLION ISK for $15 now. That kind of real world money isn't hard to come by, and should be faster to earn than grinding it in game, in terms of hours of your life spent. Hopefully.
And it is exactly these people that I love. And truly wish there where more of. Because if it wasn't for people putting plex on the market I couldn't afford my alt army. Which would negatively impact my play style. So it's a win win. People who don't want to put the IG work in get their isk fast and easy. And people like me who have solid income streams set up in game get to keep playing the way I want even if I don't have the 200 or so bucks a month to spare to do it. |
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Rain6637
NulzSec
35091
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Posted - 2017.06.12 06:30:49 -
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I'm kind of a hybrid. I have a squad of ten mains and I go turbo sometimes. Being free of the PLEX grind I don't buy that many PLEX. I don't really have any ISK drains.
Thought about getting a Hel too. Was going to live out of it, back when I had my main computer set up to run my clients all at once. Being on hiatus though, and not needing to move so much I don't have plans for that anymore.
How long have you done the PLEXed alt thing? How much further until you have the ISK for a Hel?
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
158
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Posted - 2017.06.12 14:30:37 -
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I tend to rotate how I earn active isk because doing anything for too long gets me bored. So I kind of rotate.
1. VNI anom ratting in null. I basically get 15-20m ticks from bounties... so 45m-60m an hour. I afk salvage/loot with an alt account... so there's more isk from that but I'd probably be better off isk wise just running two VNI's.
2. Rattlesnake in DED sites. I know some people buy sites and run them... but I tend to just run the ones I get from running anomalies. The income is pretty much based entirely on how lucky you get with loot, so it's tough to quantify. Sometimes bounties + loot are in the 50-80m range... sometimes you can get something worth hundreds of millions or more.
3. Exploration (in covops mostly)... null and wh mostly, but sometimes Lowsec too (you can find more, but they pay less... so a tradeoff). Very hit an miss as others say. But big hauls can happen.
4. Mining. Not my favorite thing, but when I'm unsure how much time I'll be playing sometimes I mine at ore anoms in null because it's easy to stop quickly and log off to do other things. The isk yield isn't that high, but I do occasionally get interesting BPC drops from the rats (which I loot and salvage with an ore hauler). I got a cap component the other day that when manufactured netted me 100m+ isk after material costs.
5. Mission running. Generally on a lower skilled account. Isk is much lower (at least as I run missions... say 5-8m ticks for bounties). But good for a change of pace
6. FW. To be honest, I don't think I make that much (or anything) from this. This is where I mostly go when searching for PvP. But there are income streams... just probably less than my expenditures based on how much I suck at PvP.
I haven't run incursions. Something I'm looking into.
Then there's passive/semi-passive isk making.
1. PI - I prioritize low effort over high-income. The area of null-sec I'm in doesn't have great planets either. I end up making 3-400m a month per toon.
2. Research agents - I honestly have no idea. I have two running generating RP but I haven't bothered cashing them in in a while. Maybe 20m a month or so?
3. Station trading - With profits going back into inventory this is hard to track (as I'm doing it semi-passively and only updating orders every couple of days... I'm not spending the time to spreadsheet this). But on March 1st to try to get an idea of what I was actually making I put 1 billion in a corp wallet and started trading exclusively from that wallet to track my results. At the moment the sum of my wallet/buy orders/sell orders and pricing of inventory (which I know isn't exactly accurate) is around 3.3 billion... so if we say 2 billion profit over 3 months... call it 650m a month.
I also do some other stuff that's tough to qualify as active or passive. I do a lot of BP research but I don't cash in on it all that often. If I see T1 BPC's selling at a high price I might make a run and sell them off. If i see something to manufacture (or invent and manufacture) that has a high enough profit opportunity I'll grab it. For the most part I don't research these and spend a ton of time on them, but I do take advantage of an opportunity that presents itself. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3761
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Posted - 2017.06.12 14:51:28 -
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After I tried out many ISK making activities, I came to the conclusion: manufacturing and trade in highsec (200-1000M per day)
If you want a more active ISK making "job" with minimal investment and commitment, run relic sites with an Ares in Sansha nullsec for >100m ISK/h.
Both are essentially PvP, so you are most likely safe from future nerfs.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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April rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
24
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Posted - 2017.06.12 14:52:07 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Another probable good effect is less people ratting in general. Lots of people only started ratting because the isk per hour increased with the introduction of Fighter Squadrons. In the same way the Incursion nerf made the incursion communities shed a whole bunch of fair weather incursion runners, so too will these changes.
This is good because with less isk coming in the isk everyone owns becomes more valuable, and with few people ratting PLUS the escalation and loot drop changes, when you DO get loot it will be like hitting the jack pot. And people who actually put in the time to explore in null will be rewarded by finding sites people actually want to run so they can sell those or run them themselves (in lots of place sin null right now you can find scannable DED 10/10s that no one does because X type loot isn't worth the hassle and its' easier to just buy escalated sites).
A few month from now no one will remember all this complaining.
Well... it's never good for the game to have less people in space. And if you do not rat you won't spend more time pvping. It does not work this way. And it lately feels that even less players are in space (in various 0.0 regions).
But yes, like all other "improvements" people will get used to it soon. Like people get used to live without their legs or hands... Some even participate in special Olimpycs. But no one will tell you that it was good change. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16141
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:01:02 -
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April rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Another probable good effect is less people ratting in general. Lots of people only started ratting because the isk per hour increased with the introduction of Fighter Squadrons. In the same way the Incursion nerf made the incursion communities shed a whole bunch of fair weather incursion runners, so too will these changes.
This is good because with less isk coming in the isk everyone owns becomes more valuable, and with few people ratting PLUS the escalation and loot drop changes, when you DO get loot it will be like hitting the jack pot. And people who actually put in the time to explore in null will be rewarded by finding sites people actually want to run so they can sell those or run them themselves (in lots of place sin null right now you can find scannable DED 10/10s that no one does because X type loot isn't worth the hassle and its' easier to just buy escalated sites).
A few month from now no one will remember all this complaining.
Well... it's never good for the game to have less people in space. And if you do not rat you won't spend more time pvping. It does not work this way. And it lately feels that even less players are in space (in various 0.0 regions). But yes, like all other "improvements" people will get used to it soon. Like people get used to live without their legs or hands... Some even participate in special Olimpycs. But no one will tell you that it was good change.
Time will tell, but I think it will get better in lots of ways. I remember when finding a pirate ship BPC was hitting the jackpot, when getting an escalation meant something. All of these things got negatively affected by CCPs introduction of Fighter Squadrons. Fighter Squadrons let a relative few people generate trillions of liquid isk that wasn't good for the game.
Everytime CCP nerfs something people predict doom. I've watched that happen for 10 years, and every time the doomsayers are wrong. I predict in a few months when the true economic effects of the change are felt, lots of people will understand why this needed to happen.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
158
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Posted - 2017.06.12 15:10:41 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. +1 Unless you're willing to become a turbonerd, this is the most practical way to enjoy yourself in EVE. If I catch a movie in IMAX 3D and get a large popcorn and drink it's easily $35 - $40 USD. In contrast an annual account is maybe $11 a month plus change, and you get 1.5 BILLION ISK for $15 now. That kind of real world money isn't hard to come by, and should be faster to earn than grinding it in game, in terms of hours of your life spent. Hopefully.
One thing that many don't get about eve is that not everyone is here for PvP.
For some, the challenge of earning isk is actually the game they play. Those market tycoons aren't just doing what they do to fuel their PLEX and PvP expenses. For them that's the actual game they're playing. And ISK is how they keep score.
For someone who's enjoyment of Eve is solely about the pew-pew... then yes, buying plex is the best way to get isk without taking time away from blowing up spaceships.
For me... I never buy money in any game. But that's based on what I enjoy about games... which is the progression and building of my character in the game. That's true when I play games like Civilization or Sim City (both franchise are some of my favorites). That's true in single player RPG's for me like the various elder scroll games... and it's true in MMORPG's I play as well.
Probably why I never got into first person shooters. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
420
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Posted - 2017.06.12 20:41:40 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. +1 Unless you're willing to become a turbonerd, this is the most practical way to enjoy yourself in EVE. If I catch a movie in IMAX 3D and get a large popcorn and drink it's easily $35 - $40 USD. In contrast an annual account is maybe $11 a month plus change, and you get 1.5 BILLION ISK for $15 now. That kind of real world money isn't hard to come by, and should be faster to earn than grinding it in game, in terms of hours of your life spent. Hopefully. Depends where you live. There are many countries where you have to work 3h or more for 15$. Add the commute to that (2h in my case) and the time needed to earn 15$ in RL comes pretty close to the time needed to farm 1.5 bill in game. (And tbh, i would prefer 4-5h of relaxed ISK farming over 3h of exhausting work in RL.) |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35060
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Posted - 2017.06.12 21:07:51 -
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I actually make money salling items that I find around New Eden. Only a fraction of my income comes from bounties for pirates. The majority of my ISK comes from other players.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
35093
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Posted - 2017.06.13 09:30:00 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK. +1 Unless you're willing to become a turbonerd, this is the most practical way to enjoy yourself in EVE. If I catch a movie in IMAX 3D and get a large popcorn and drink it's easily $35 - $40 USD. In contrast an annual account is maybe $11 a month plus change, and you get 1.5 BILLION ISK for $15 now. That kind of real world money isn't hard to come by, and should be faster to earn than grinding it in game, in terms of hours of your life spent. Hopefully. Depends where you live. There are many countries where you have to work 3h or more for 15$. Add the commute to that (2h in my case) and the time needed to earn 15$ in RL comes pretty close to the time needed to farm 1.5 bill in game. (And tbh, i would prefer 4-5h of relaxed ISK farming over 3h of exhausting work in RL.) I think escapism is a valid reason for playing video games, or watching movies, or daydreaming. But I hope if the situation is so dire, a person spends their time earning an income no matter how it compares to a video game currency.
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Posted - 2017.06.13 09:53:43 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Nerf Jenn. Not really. Without him the forums will get boring soon. |
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