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Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.18 00:51:00 - [1] Just curious if there are any GTC scammers left out there since it was posted in Sell Orders thread that ALL of your accounts will be banned if you do this. The reason I'm asking is that the paranoia is on the all time high. It must be that post on Sell Orders thread that says "GTC Scammers - Beware!!!" where beware is for the most part actually directed at the scammers themselves as the post warns them that all their accounts will be banned. So my sister wanted to give the game a try and I told her I'd buy her a 30 day card as a little present. Went shopping today for it, but because her character wasn't set up yet, I just wanted to get the code paying ISK first to whoever was selling one. I was treated like I'm the worst of scammers. People just closed convoes even though I told them I'd pay first. It doesn't matter in the long run because she can get a trial later and do it through secure system. But I don't quite get it. Are there ways that people still get scammed through buying/selling GTCs? Even if the buyer agrees to pay up front? Please enlighten me because I don't want to get scammed myself if I ever have to do it again. I can't come up with a reason anyone in their right mind would scam with GTCs now, but I might be overlooking something.
Don Bosco Jita Industries	Posted - 2007.05.18 01:25:00 - [2] From what i can tell you GTC-selling is seriouse business and CCP allowes and supports it (security wise). So what u have to do is find a good-seller (check posts on the sellforum and the responses especially those responses of players who art not in noob-corps hint hint), bring some ISKs for the deal contact that seller and fallow CCPs rules, et voila i've never met a GTC-scammer this way. greetings
Don Bosco Jita Industries	Posted - 2007.05.18 01:41:00 - [3] or in other words - u only can buy it WITH your sisters account not beforehand oh and she'll have a 14-day trial anyway.
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.18 05:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Don Bosco or in other words - u only can buy it WITH your sisters account not beforehand oh and she'll have a 14-day trial anyway. Yes, I understand that using the new secure system you can do it only when you get the account. However I was looking for the best price and wanted to buy it early, hence I offered to buy it the old way through e-mail and chat logs with money paid before code is sent to me. My question is to GTC sellers. If the buyer pays the money before you send the code, what are you so afraid of and how can you get scammed in this scenario?
Kermis Caldari Cryo Crypt inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Sae Len Originally by: Don Bosco or in other words - u only can buy it WITH your sisters account not beforehand oh and she'll have a 14-day trial anyway. Yes, I understand that using the new secure system you can do it only when you get the account. However I was looking for the best price and wanted to buy it early, hence I offered to buy it the old way through e-mail and chat logs with money paid before code is sent to me. My question is to GTC sellers. If the buyer pays the money before you send the code, what are you so afraid of and how can you get scammed in this scenario? Well, the sellers are probably not scared they'll get scammed. The fact that making a deal this way IS banable (even though both parties agree and are happy with it) probably scares them.
Iwill DominateU	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:54:00 - [6] doesnt matter if you pay first. you can still scam the person selling the codes. unfortunatelly i dont think im allowed to say how. just leave it at the fact that my mate sold some GTC and several months later his accounts got banned by CCP for scamming. the person who bought the codes petitioned him for fraud. it was solved in the end but it took several weeks. so just quit your complaining and go thru official channels. you insisting on using unsecure ways of buying makes you out as a scammer.
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Iwill DominateU doesnt matter if you pay first. you can still scam the person selling the codes. unfortunatelly i dont think im allowed to say how. just leave it at the fact that my mate sold some GTC and several months later his accounts got banned by CCP for scamming. the person who bought the codes petitioned him for fraud. it was solved in the end but it took several weeks. so just quit your complaining and go thru official channels. you insisting on using unsecure ways of buying makes you out as a scammer. Your the person who has a friend who is a scammer...
Iwill DominateU	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:31:00 - [8] im assuming your joking. just a little helpful note. sarcasm doesnt translate well to text.
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Kermis Originally by: Sae Len Originally by: Don Bosco or in other words - u only can buy it WITH your sisters account not beforehand oh and she'll have a 14-day trial anyway. Yes, I understand that using the new secure system you can do it only when you get the account. However I was looking for the best price and wanted to buy it early, hence I offered to buy it the old way through e-mail and chat logs with money paid before code is sent to me. My question is to GTC sellers. If the buyer pays the money before you send the code, what are you so afraid of and how can you get scammed in this scenario? Well, the sellers are probably not scared they'll get scammed. The fact that making a deal this way IS banable (even though both parties agree and are happy with it) probably scares them. It ISN'T bannable. How do you think people bought and sold game time codes for ISK before the secure system was introduced?
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Iwill DominateU doesnt matter if you pay first. you can still scam the person selling the codes. unfortunatelly i dont think im allowed to say how. just leave it at the fact that my mate sold some GTC and several months later his accounts got banned by CCP for scamming. the person who bought the codes petitioned him for fraud. it was solved in the end but it took several weeks. so just quit your complaining and go thru official channels. you insisting on using unsecure ways of buying makes you out as a scammer. Originally by: Iwill DominateU doesnt matter if you pay first. you can still scam the person selling the codes. unfortunatelly i dont think im allowed to say how. just leave it at the fact that my mate sold some GTC and several months later his accounts got banned by CCP for scamming. the person who bought the codes petitioned him for fraud. it was solved in the end but it took several weeks. so just quit your complaining and go thru official channels. you insisting on using unsecure ways of buying makes you out as a scammer. If you friend was banned for selling the codes, means that he really was selling fraudulent ones, whether by mistake or knowingly. This is pretty simple. The person who gets the codes does NOT get reimbursed for money he or she paid for the codes. So whoever your friend sold the codes to was NOT a GTC scammer. As far as I know all GTC scammers got banned, yet everyone is still afraid of them. You tell me that insiting on going through unofficial channels makes me out as a scammer. Please explain how and why. Because besides your irrational fear of a exchange process that you don't understand, you haven't proven that you got anything to fear selling the codes. In fact, it is the buyer who is risking it because their money will not be reimbursed if the codes are fraudulent. So if I pay agree to pay money up front and you are not trying to send me fraudulent codes, how can you possibly get scammed this way?
Iwill DominateU	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:26:00 - [11] Edited by: Iwill DominateU on 18/05/2007 22:25:33 you¦re an idiot. i wont tell you how its done. why the f do you think they changed the rules? why on earth do you think the old way is unsupported now? any idea? no i didnt think so. but possibly others, a bit smarter than you figured it out and thats why the old one got exiled and the new, 100% one got installed. or do you think CCP installed the new one just cause they didnt have anything better to do with their time? ps and no using the old way (the old supported way) wont get you banned. CCP just wont refund you if you get scammed that way pps so Sae Len and WhitePhantom are the same person EDIT: why hasnt a mod moved this thread already???
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.18 23:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Iwill DominateU Edited by: Iwill DominateU on 18/05/2007 22:25:33 you¦re an idiot. i wont tell you how its done. why the f do you think they changed the rules? why on earth do you think the old way is unsupported now? any idea? no i didnt think so. but possibly others, a bit smarter than you figured it out and thats why the old one got exiled and the new, 100% one got installed. or do you think CCP installed the new one just cause they didnt have anything better to do with their time? ps and no using the old way (the old supported way) wont get you banned. CCP just wont refund you if you get scammed that way pps so Sae Len and WhitePhantom are the same person EDIT: why hasnt a mod moved this thread already??? CCP devised a great method of dealing with GTC scammers. It's called banning of all of your accounts. Ever heard of it? You don't need the new secure system to deal away with the scammers because you can just ban them. Simple. This system was devised to drive GTC resellers, like Amber Leonne who sits in Jita and buys GTCs for low price and resells them for more, out of business. The more codes get applied directly to your account via the new system, the less of them get resold for any reason, and the more money CCP has from your wallet. Anyone with more than just 2 braincells in their head would understand this. You have't read my question or answered it and frankly you have nothing of substance to say. You can only flame and as such I'll disregard further posts from you. Still waiting for an intelligence answer of how can someone get scammed through this, hopefully from someone who got scammed recently. PS Last time i checked, whitephantom wasn't any of my alts. I just agreed with him that your friend was either stupid enough to get involved with GTC scamming or that he was involved in dealings with fraudulent code not knowing about it. This that's pretty obvious once again to anyone with more than 2 braincells.
Don Bosco Jita Industries	Posted - 2007.05.19 10:37:00 - [13] nobody can garantee you that you wont get scammed on the blackmarket - its your choise: go buy it via eve-mail with all its risks or just do it the save way via the CCP-gtc-buying-system. you're wearing the anwser in your pants already of course one can ban ALL gtc scammers (lol) but you know you only can ban those who did scam someone and who tells you there's no unknow novice out there about to scam you? greetings
vinoveritas The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.05.19 10:40:00 - [14] Sae Len u are realy stupid.. BTW Bump
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Sae Len on 20/05/2007 00:16:21 I am not interested in hearing another dozen flames from posters who have nothing of substance to say (whose second brain cell has finally given out). Nor am I interested in hearing "yes, you can get scammed". I want to know how. I want to hear stories from GTC sellers and buyers who have been scammed recently. How have you guys been scammed? What happened? Everyone is afraid of GTCs scammers. So are they out there avoiding being banned somehow? This forum is full scam stories, everything from corp theft to WTB scams. So if there are prolific GTC scammers that everyone is soooo afraid of, I'm betting there are many people who have been scammed by them. So speak out, and do your duty in warning the public so that the rest of us can avoid it. Of course I'm interested in hearing recent stories.
Sean Dillon Caldari Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.05.20 01:27:00 - [16] If you trade through the eve online website, by logging into your account following their faq etc... There is no way you should get scammed. Isk will only be transfered when the buyer agress and I am sure CCP will check that you send a valid time code. Any other way is asking for trouble.
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.20 08:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Sean Dillon Any other way is asking for trouble. What I am asking in this post is how can I get in trouble. Both Sean and Don, you guys are repeating popular opinion. Your responses basically say "yes, you can get scammed". I am not looking for that. I am asking: how can you get scammed if you don't use the secure system to buy GTCs for whatever reason? I want to hear real stories from someone how has been scammed in, say, the past month. Just like WTB scams have been discussed here in detail on how it is done, I want to hear about this GTC scam that everyone is so afraid of. Since I've heard all the GTC scammers got banned, is this scam still going on? Or are you guys just afraid of something that doesn't exist any longer? If you think you can get scammed nowadays with buying/selling GTCs, please explain to me how.
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.20 12:14:00 - [18] Ok, this may be a stupid question but : What if the seller doesn't send you the GTC after you sent him the isk ? ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.05.20 14:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Kahor Ok, this may be a stupid question but : What if the seller doesn't send you the GTC after you sent him the isk ? Petition. They'll be banned, but you won't get your isk back. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Sean Dillon Caldari Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.05.20 14:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Sae Len Originally by: Sean Dillon Any other way is asking for trouble. What I am asking in this post is how can I get in trouble. Both Sean and Don, you guys are repeating popular opinion. Your responses basically say "yes, you can get scammed". I am not looking for that. I am asking: how can you get scammed if you don't use the secure system to buy GTCs for whatever reason? I want to hear real stories from someone how has been scammed in, say, the past month. Just like WTB scams have been discussed here in detail on how it is done, I want to hear about this GTC scam that everyone is so afraid of. Since I've heard all the GTC scammers got banned, is this scam still going on? Or are you guys just afraid of something that doesn't exist any longer? If you think you can get scammed nowadays with buying/selling GTCs, please explain to me how. How to get scammed? well thats an easy one, you send seller your isk. Then the seller either sends no code to you, a faulty code or the right code. Only 3 things that can happen. Buying with real life money I will not discuss here because its not allowed either. But now I ask you, why would you want to trade otherwise? Are you looking for new ways to scam people?
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.20 18:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Kahor Ok, this may be a stupid question but : What if the seller doesn't send you the GTC after you sent him the isk ? Petition. They'll be banned, but you won't get your isk back. Actualy, they won't ban (probably) since it isn't support by CCP anymore, and CCP cannot nor won't waste GM time (nor care anymore at that point, there is already a perfectly working system in place) trying to prove he indeed promised you to sell you a GTC. ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
Citizen489	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:49:00 - [22] Sae Len, I'm not sure if it was you who convo'd me earlier today but I am trying to create a reputation over time and so will only deal by the approved secure method. You may well be honest and above board but the only way I can offer 100% guarenteed safety (for both myself and the customer) is if I do not deal on the black market. For all I know, you were waiting to call me a scammer if I excepted the offer to deal via private mail etc. Sorry if this doesn't fit in with your requirements. I make no exceptions. 489
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Sae Len on 20/05/2007 21:57:37 Originally by: Kahor Actualy, they won't ban (probably) since it isn't support by CCP anymore, and CCP cannot nor won't waste GM time (nor care anymore at that point, there is already a perfectly working system in place) trying to prove he indeed promised you to sell you a GTC. Ok, think about this one again, Kahor. Everyone who has been scamming with GTCs has been doing it the old way because through new system you can't scam. All of these people got banned. This goes directly contrary to what you just said here, that they won't get banned. Citizen, no I wasn't the one who talked to you. I hope you understand that there are many people out there who would like to buy GTCs the old way, because they want to apply them to inactive accounts to re-activate them or like me are buying them in advance. Please explain to me how it will tarnish your reputation to deal with these people. What I set out to determine with this post is why does everyone automatically treat them like scammers. You guys can't explain to me how you can get scammed, yet you're afraid of it. To me it seems bizzare to be afraid of something that you can't explain how it works but you imagine it must be true.
Anila's Delight	Posted - 2007.05.21 05:50:00 - [24] I think a soulution to using the old vs new way would be to be able to select which account to apply the gtc you just bought to. EG. - I sold 1 x 30 day GTC to Newb1 for 150mill, following the new system I complete the trade through myeve login. - Newb1 accepts the buy and 1 x 30 day GTC is added to his players 'inventory'. - Newb1 has the option in myeve to: + Apply to this account + Apply to other account. - Newb 1 chooses to Apply to other account and chooses Newb2 - Newb2 gets another 30 days in eve. Originally by: Altrex Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.
Iwill DominateU	Posted - 2007.05.21 08:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Sae Len Edited by: Sae Len on 20/05/2007 21:57:37 Originally by: Kahor Actualy, they won't ban (probably) since it isn't support by CCP anymore, and CCP cannot nor won't waste GM time (nor care anymore at that point, there is already a perfectly working system in place) trying to prove he indeed promised you to sell you a GTC. Ok, think about this one again, Kahor. Everyone who has been scamming with GTCs has been doing it the old way because through new system you can't scam. All of these people got banned. This goes directly contrary to what you just said here, that they won't get banned. Citizen, no I wasn't the one who talked to you. I hope you understand that there are many people out there who would like to buy GTCs the old way, because they want to apply them to inactive accounts to re-activate them or like me are buying them in advance. Please explain to me how it will tarnish your reputation to deal with these people. What I set out to determine with this post is why does everyone automatically treat them like scammers. You guys can't explain to me how you can get scammed, yet you're afraid of it. To me it seems bizzare to be afraid of something that you can't explain how it works but you imagine it must be true. you ¦aving a laff, is he ¦aving a laff? your either having a laugh or you¦re thicker than barbara Bush¦s bush. i fought long and hard with my better judgement about posting here. obviously my better judgement lost. you dont seem to understand one word thats said to you. 1) its not that we cant tell you how its done, its that we dont want to tell you cause your obviously a scammer that lacks the intelligence to come up with the scam your self. 2)when the old sys was in use, you could petition and the scammer got banned. that didnt eliminate every single scammer as you¦re suggesting so that everyone lived happily ever after. today if you petition the scam having used the old way CCP sends you a reply something along the lines of: "ZOMGWTF guys lets call the whhhaaaambulance we got our selfs an idiot" 3)if you step down from your pedestal of self righteous crap for a moment. consider, for a moment that there are people here who know more about it than you but are reluctant to share ways that will hurt people in RL. you do realise that GTC are originally bought for RL money. 4)ignorance is a bliss and im sure you¦ll be pleased to hear i wont be trying to inform you of anything ever again.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2007.05.21 11:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Don Bosco or in other words - u only can buy it WITH your sisters account not beforehand oh and she'll have a 14-day trial anyway. Using the secure method yes only the account buying the code can be used. You are however wrong in the last comment. The "trial" status dissapears at the same time as game time is added to the account but it stacks to the 14 initial days. This means that as soon as you pay you can use all the things trials cannot including training restriced skills. If only you and dead people know hex, how many people know hex?

lordharold Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.21 12:58:00 - [27] I've removed some flames and insults from this thread, they aren't needed. - Lord Harold forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Don Bosco Jita Industries	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:36:00 - [28] Edited by: Don Bosco on 21/05/2007 22:38:20 Originally by: Strife Phoenix Originally by: Don Bosco or in other words - u only can buy it WITH your sisters account not beforehand oh and she'll have a 14-day trial anyway. Using the secure method yes only the account buying the code can be used. You are however wrong in the last comment. The "trial" status dissapears at the same time as game time is added to the account but it stacks to the 14 initial days. This means that as soon as you pay you can use all the things trials cannot including training restriced skills. yes thats correct: what i ment was that the op could make 2 gifts out of this. he can give his sister a trial-code as a gift already. she then sets up here avatar and gets started. so if she likes the game he then can send isk to to her account to buy a gtc via secure system with HER char, and again present it as a gift. all legal, smooth and pretty. greetings
Sae Len	Posted - 2007.05.21 23:24:00 - [29] Thanks for cleaning it up. Horray, I just got a scam story out of someone (albeit still no stories from this thread ). This also answers Kahor's question: My friend was just trying to purchase three 90-day GTCs from someone else. And lo and behold the seller tried to scam him. Once he received 1050 mil ISK for his GTCs, he left the convo and blocked my friend and of course didn't send him any codes. My friend contacted the guy from an alt and gave him the following link: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498562 What happened next is that the scammer started apologizing and begged to not be reported. Said his roommate came and started playing his character (which by itself is also bannable) so he is not to blame for this attempt to scam. Of course he returned 1050 mil to my friend and I assume stopped his attempts at GTC scamming here. As for getting a bad code, I learned that you can check the codes on the spot by setting up a trade to your alt using secure system but not actually buying it out. I think by all measures if you are selling or buying GTCs you should do that so that you yourself just to be absolutely sure you have correct codes in possession. So if someone sends you the wrong code, you can do what my friend did above. This post has been up a long time now. The above story is one and only scamming story I have gotten out of anyone, where no one got scammed at the end. So I am assuming that there are no GTC scammers left out there, and if you meet one they can be pressured into reversing their scams. I asked for stories so that those of us who read EVE forums understand how scams happen. After all, who is more interested in NOT letting others know how some scam works, the scammers who use it to exploit others to clear out their wallets or those who are in danger of falling prey to them? The answer is obvious. All of you who are so afraid of being scammed selling/buying GTCs should also ask yourselves: why would anyone who wants to scam me use a scam for which they can get banned? There are many scams out there for which you don't risk being banned. Yet you still imagine that GTC scammer is sitting on every corner waiting to snatch your ISK, while the scammers are long getting your precious ISK in other ways that don't lead to banning of their accounts. So next time you accuse an honest person of being a GTC scammer, think about everything you read here. Originally by: Sean Dillon But now I ask you, why would you want to trade otherwise? Are you looking for new ways to scam people? Go read the original post.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.05.22 17:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Local Her0 on 22/05/2007 17:07:03 Originally by: Sae Len ... amen

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