| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Reem Fairchild
   |
Posted - 2007.09.10 00:30:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Multras
-100% targeting delay after decloaking. A stealth role bonus. It also has a larger CPU amount so it can fit a cloaking device along with its other thingies.
Also, it moves faster while cloaked, enabling it to quickly reposition itself after cloaking for its next sniping volley.
|
Megan Maynard
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 02:26:00 -
[32]
No need to warp cloaked, get skills.
No need to target cloaked, lock time is instant pretty much
Cruise missiles bring the pain when you have two target painters and a passive targetter.
Lastly, manticore sucks, fly a hound.
|
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 03:25:00 -
[33]
Stealth bombers need to be able to warp cloaked. Everything else is fine.
[Video]Blood Corsairs - Day One |
Curate Daemus
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 05:57:00 -
[34]
I would have to agree that the only thing I think that needs to be fixed is the ability to warped cloaked. I love it and I accept the limitations of flying a Manticore but not warping cloaked is a huge minus to flying one.
|
Unikron
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 07:22:00 -
[35]
Ive been recently playing with my Manticore and new to the stealth bomber. I love it. Does real nice dmg for such a little ship. If I were to make any changes on it I would definatly want to be able to fit it with a cov ops cloaking device. I mean whats so stealthy about a stealth bomber if a hostile sees you warping in? If the guy isnt stupid then hes gonna put you in account after you cloak. You lost your element of surprise. I want to be able to warp in a middle of a battle and de-cloak and use my element of surprise. |
Reem Fairchild
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 08:43:00 -
[36]
"Want to be able to" and "should be able to" are completely different things. If you make the Stealth Bomber able to warp cloaked, you remove any real reason to fly the regular covert ops frigate.
The Stealth Bombers are great ships as it is.
|
Isean
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 09:10:00 -
[37]
The two roles are completely different
The bomber uses its stealth to kill things
The cov ops frig scouts out things. Its bonuses are to scan times. This will NEVE be replaced when it comes to scanning out SSs and exploration sites. The bomber just CANT replace it.
And if the bomber DOES get the cov ops cloak eventually. I would like to see some guy put a scan probe launcher on it and try to do a better job than a cov ops.
|
Reem Fairchild
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 09:22:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Isean
The cov ops frig scouts out things.
And allowing the Stealth Bomber to warp cloaked allows it function as a scout in the same way while, unlike the covert ops ship, packing a major punch.
Quote:
Its bonuses are to scan times. This will NEVE be replaced when it comes to scanning out SSs and exploration sites. The bomber just CANT replace it.
Any ship can do that, and if the issue is doing it fast you might as well use a dirt cheap tech 1 astrometric frigate like the Imicus or Probe.
Quote:
And if the bomber DOES get the cov ops cloak eventually. I would like to see some guy put a scan probe launcher on it and try to do a better job than a cov ops.
Given a choice for a scouting ship between a ship that can warp cloaked and scan fast but has no firepower and a ship of the same price and skill requirements that can warp cloaked, packs heavy firepower but uses scan probes at normal speed, I'd most definitely be scouting in the latter. The major thing that makes the covert ops frigate such an excellent scout is the fact that it warps cloaked.
|
AntonioBanderas
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 09:24:00 -
[39]
bombers are fine.
cloak-warping would be cool, but it would make things WAY to easy.
so leave bombers alone.
|
Maeltstome
Minmatar
Caldari Navy Raiders
Praesidium Libertatis
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 09:38:00 -
[40]
Just bought my first SB, purifier (cheapest on the market)
I love it, and i can't see why people complain. Since the boost its been awesome. All i can really say to people who want to warp cloaked is "l2p" - improved cloak + cov ops 4 = 20% more speed, so you can align while cloaked, hit your cloak key to disable it and spam "warp to"... instant warp...
|
NCP S2
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 09:56:00 -
[41]
I'm still bummed about the fact that after a year break in the game, I come back, buy a Manticore, only to find out all of the other SB's now have 3 missile slots... way lame.
Sure, I understand the balance thing, but why are they still so damned expensive? i blame other players of course.
Warp while cloaked? Bad idea for reasons stated above. I don't think a SB was ever really meant for warp in, cloak, engage tactics, more of a wait for them to come to you kind of thing.
Last I looked the bonuses were kinda dumb. Definately wouldn't mind seeing racial dmg bonuses. Say, Caldair Kinetic, Minmatar Explosive, Gallente Thermal, Amarr EM ? something like that.
They aren't any more fragile than their T1 counterparts, and I think making them tougher doesn't work for balance. They have BS sized weapons on a frig for crying out loud. Of course they'll be slower and have a slightly larger sig radius.
Price on Caldari still hurts, and it being the worst SB out of all of them now sucks, but meh, learn to deal with it.
-S2
|
AntonioBanderas
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 10:24:00 -
[42]
Originally by: NCP S2
Definately wouldn't mind seeing racial dmg bonuses. Say, Caldair Kinetic, Minmatar Explosive, Gallente Thermal, Amarr EM ? something like that.
-S2
dude, read the info on them one more time. carefully, this time.
|
Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 10:47:00 -
[43]
Your all insane complaining about the stealth bombers post patch.
They can now -
Make long warps
Do insane-mega-alpha strike
Can all fit 3 launchers, with double damage bonus
If it would warp cloaked it would be overpowered :D
|
omiNATION
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 11:17:00 -
[44]
Edited by: omiNATION on 10/09/2007 11:23:02
I agree with the OP, i feel covert ops ships should be able to warp cloak. They should also have lower signature radius and faster base speed. Also have the armor of a faction battleship not to mention a 5th cruise missle slot as well as bonuses to astrometrics so I can not only scan down ships in 2 seconds, warp in cloaked, do 9 billion in alpha strike, but also tank a dreadnaught.
Oh and nerf SB prices plz. I mean 10 million for a frigate with BS-range damage potential? I'm not made of ISK here.
|
Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 11:49:00 -
[45]
Originally by: omiNATION
Edited by: omiNATION on 10/09/2007 11:23:02
I agree with the OP, i feel covert ops ships should be able to warp cloak. They should also have lower signature radius and faster base speed. Also have the armor of a faction battleship not to mention a 5th cruise missle slot as well as bonuses to astrometrics so I can not only scan down ships in 2 seconds, warp in cloaked, do 9 billion in alpha strike, but also tank a dreadnaught.
Oh and nerf SB prices plz. I mean 10 million for a frigate with BS-range damage potential? I'm not made of ISK here.
The OP was made back in May....
|
omiNATION
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 18:20:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Originally by: omiNATION
Edited by: omiNATION on 10/09/2007 11:23:02
I agree with the OP, i feel covert ops ships should be able to warp cloak. They should also have lower signature radius and faster base speed. Also have the armor of a faction battleship not to mention a 5th cruise missle slot as well as bonuses to astrometrics so I can not only scan down ships in 2 seconds, warp in cloaked, do 9 billion in alpha strike, but also tank a dreadnaught.
Oh and nerf SB prices plz. I mean 10 million for a frigate with BS-range damage potential? I'm not made of ISK here.
and some people are still agreeing with him
The OP was made back in May....
|
Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 19:53:00 -
[47]
Originally by: omiNATION
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Originally by: omiNATION
Edited by: omiNATION on 10/09/2007 11:23:02
I agree with the OP, i feel covert ops ships should be able to warp cloak. They should also have lower signature radius and faster base speed. Also have the armor of a faction battleship not to mention a 5th cruise missle slot as well as bonuses to astrometrics so I can not only scan down ships in 2 seconds, warp in cloaked, do 9 billion in alpha strike, but also tank a dreadnaught.
Oh and nerf SB prices plz. I mean 10 million for a frigate with BS-range damage potential? I'm not made of ISK here.
and some people are still agreeing with him
The OP was made back in May....
I know they are, but your exagguration made nothing to the OP, and contributed to nothing really.
To the person that reinstated the thread, the bombers are very good as they are, they have uses now, and they can actually do good to ships of all sizes.
|
AK Shaman
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 21:54:00 -
[48]
Give bobmber CovOp cloack, I hate penaltys from improved and prototype, all another is fine.
|
The RepoMan
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
Red Horizon
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 22:35:00 -
[49]
Edited by: The RepoMan on 10/09/2007 22:37:37
.... so, doing almost half the damage of a raven, with excellent range, in a frigate.... and having cloak bonuses... not enough for you eh?
FIND A NEW GAME.
Edit: and after reading the necro post, the obvious reason is that it would make covop pilots cry a river. People love their cute little clearly designated roles, soon as someone gets even remotely close they go berserk and usually take it out on the forums.
|
Adrian Steel
Caldari
Knowledge Capsuleers
|
Posted - 2007.09.10 23:05:00 -
[50]
Way to necro.
Those of you complaining about stealth bombers in their current state post patch need to check their brain waves for serious anomalies and your bloodstreams for boosters.
I'm a professional stealth bomber pilot. The only vessel I fly into combat - PvP or PvE is the Manticore. I fit it the way it was meant to be flown - a full T2 fitting, complementary rigs and alot of patience and guile. I have caused an entire re-organization and mass exodus of members of a corporation I declared war on all by myself with this vessel, and I have had an 0.0 alliance go to the point of taking out a carrier against me because I was terrorizing their home system.
If you really feel you need to overpower this vessel by giving it a covert operations cloak or other equally ******** suggestions, I invite you to space yourself multiple times until your clone becomes a vegetable. You have little or no imagination whatsoever, and should go back to flying your pathetically fitted Drakes and other assorted riff-raff. This is not a ship that is meant to be flown by Ritalin addicts.
Click above image for site link. |
Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
|
Posted - 2007.09.11 02:09:00 -
[51]
Vote yes to warp cloaked.
Vote yes to getting rid of stupid bombs (or dropping their build cost to the equivalent of warp disrupt probes!)
Vote no to bombaceptor.
I don't need no steenking Klingon lock/shoot while cloaked trick.
|
Peanut Swsh
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.09.11 02:24:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Psorion
1: Very hard to lock
2: Very hard to detect
3: Hit hard
4: Easy to kill
1 & 2 contradict 4.
Anyway, imo, no changes are needed except for the warp cloaked thing, which would be interesting to see whether it will imbalance the game. Thou really the warp cloaked thing is hardly an issue as the speed of the stealth bomber means, that you warp in at a bookmark, immediately cloak, there is no way anyone is gonna lock you, and they have sfa chance of zipping out and decloaking you because you can move so quickly away from the area.
|
Illyria Ambri
RennTech
|
Posted - 2007.09.11 05:11:00 -
[53]
Yes to a covops cloak so the bombers can warp
Yes to targeting while cloaked.. BUT.. only allow the use of cargo scanners, sensor boosters and passive targeters. This can be handcapped by dropping target when you decloak but have the already active boosters/passve targers remain active. We will have to relock but will cut down on the time waiting for the boosters to activate.
Cruise missles are fine.
I 4th launcher on the manti would be fantastic but not a necessity if we could get the above changes.
------------
This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master |
AntonioBanderas
|
Posted - 2007.09.11 07:13:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Yes to targeting while cloaked.. BUT.. only allow the use of cargo scanners, sensor boosters and passive targeters.
Oh, THIS i wil sign.
thus:
/signed
|
Knayil Paendrag
Gallente
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 00:51:00 -
[55]
It would be nice to fit the covert ops cloak. It is after all listed as covert ops...If they want they could even say remove my speed bonus when cloaked if I fit the covert cloak to offset the other advantage I get from covert ops cloaks. But I would like the choice of using covert with no speed bonus and regular cloak with bonus.
It is rather silly that a stealth bomber is seen warping into a fight, then goes into stealth to move into position. I should be in stealth until I launch my attack...This is the only change I would agree with making to bombers, everything else I am happy with my bomber much to the dismay of those on the other end of my launchers. 
|
Isean
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 03:37:00 -
[56]
I say the bomber COULD use the cov ops cloak...but doesnt need one to be effective.
It would be nice, but with skills and good sense, you shouldn't get caught on the warp in anyway
and I will add that it would be a great help to be able to activate ensor boosters while cloaked. All you are doing is increasing scan res and range...why does that have to wait till you are uncloaked. (I just really hate waiting for the "interferance" to disappear to activate those mods) I have repeatedly had to wait for many seconds more because they dont activate in time, allowing the prey to escape.
Will also add...the bomber CAN be a solo ship. And its dang effective at it when you add in non-conventional mods and tactics. I've moved from frigs and indys as solo targets to most cruisers and inties. (although I stay away from dessies and crows)
|
Isean
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 03:44:00 -
[57]
I say the bomber COULD use the cov ops cloak...but doesnt need one to be effective.
It would be nice, but with skills and good sense, you shouldn't get caught on the warp in anyway
and I will add that it would be a great help to be able to activate ensor boosters while cloaked. All you are doing is increasing scan res and range...why does that have to wait till you are uncloaked. (I just really hate waiting for the "interferance" to disappear to activate those mods) I have repeatedly had to wait for many seconds more because they dont activate in time, allowing the prey to escape.
Will also add...the bomber CAN be a solo ship. And its dang effective at it when you add in non-conventional mods and tactics. I've moved from frigs and indys as solo targets to most cruisers and inties. (although I stay away from dessies and crows)
Added after the post:
The manti used to be the best with 3 slots...now they all have 3 and the manti falls behind the other races...again, even though its the missile races boat, in a missile boat class.
As balance, I say the manticore should be able to mount the bomb launcher AND the 3 cruises and the cloak in te hi slots at the same time. This would make it able to do both jobs, where all other bombers have to take a hit to their cruise missile power to use bombs. Not that much of a change, The high slots are already there and perfect for it...and it doesnt overpower the manti, which is the supposed to be the best bomber. It wouldnt even change the playing style of most bomber pilots anyway, all the old school bombers ALREADY trained for manti, cuz it WAS the best with the 3rd cruise.
Bombers are good, theyre getting better in rev 3...but bring the manti back to the top. Give the caldari at least this one good PvP roled ship.
|
A'ruhn
We Be Tinkers
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 07:00:00 -
[58]
All I ask... is the ability to frigging reload while cloaked. is it too much to ask to be able to slide more Caldari navy Paradise missiles into the tubes so I can unleash more volleys of hellish EM death upon my poor unsuspecting enemies? 
PS: YES YES YES to being able to target while cloaked and use cargo/ship scanners, but not sensor boosters. It should also require a passive targetter to be done. Combine that with the reloading while cloaked, and tailor that alpha to whatever resistance is lowest on your target.
|
Adrian Steel
Caldari
Knowledge Capsuleers
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 08:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: A'ruhn
All I ask... is the ability to frigging reload while cloaked. is it too much to ask to be able to slide more Caldari navy Paradise missiles into the tubes so I can unleash more volleys of hellish EM death upon my poor unsuspecting enemies?
Now THIS is actually something intelligent I'd vote for. I also fail to see the RP about not being able to reload while cloaked.
Click above image for site link. |
Adrian Steel
Caldari
Knowledge Capsuleers
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 09:04:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Isean
Added after the post:
The manti used to be the best with 3 slots...now they all have 3 and the manti falls behind the other races...again, even though its the missile races boat, in a missile boat class.
As balance, I say the manticore should be able to mount the bomb launcher AND the 3 cruises and the cloak in te hi slots at the same time. This would make it able to do both jobs, where all other bombers have to take a hit to their cruise missile power to use bombs. Not that much of a change, The high slots are already there and perfect for it...and it doesnt overpower the manti, which is the supposed to be the best bomber. It wouldnt even change the playing style of most bomber pilots anyway, all the old school bombers ALREADY trained for manti, cuz it WAS the best with the 3rd cruise.
Bombers are good, theyre getting better in rev 3...but bring the manti back to the top. Give the caldari at least this one good PvP roled ship.
You do realise you're signing a chunky 10-15 million ISK price increase on this ship, right? A ship that belongs to what is likely the most populated race in Eve at that. Thanks for nothing.
Click above image for site link. |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |