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winterblitz Crendraven
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:41:12 -
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i understand that battle ships and carriers are locked and playing with a navy cruiser is fine but why when my omega runs out all of my omega skills get locked? atleast let me keep those skills that i have already trained and why is it seperate in the first place it only leads to frustration if you fight an omega as an alpha and you both have the same ship the omega will always win becuase he does like 10% more damage or has 5% more shield or better drones why arent just the ships locked but all the skills are accesible and why lock my skills lets say ive been playing since 2008 im not but just for example i left the game for 1 year and now i come back only to find all my stuff locked behind a paywall if you payed for 1 year thats more than 100$ why dont you get permanent omega you already paid ccp enough and alot of people probaly wont reach this point |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
1861
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:47:55 -
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Because those are the limitations of playing for free as an alpha. If you want more, pay for omega.
Or, get another few alpha characters, and then pick a fight with a solo omega. |
Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
287
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:48:13 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:why are skills locked for alpha clones?
Because CCP needs to pay their developeres and therefore requires some sort of revenue stream. |
Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions
468
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:48:51 -
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Eve is still a subscription-game. Alpha is more like unlimited trial. If you want access to all skills, pay the subscription.
Wormholer for life.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3232
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:50:15 -
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WTF did I just read?
Skill limitations are so central to the concept of the alpha clone that you may as well be asking why water is wet.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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winterblitz Crendraven
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:52:28 -
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i understand that ccp needs to make money but and im no expert they must be making alot more than they actually need it just feels like its a tiny bit pay to win as an alpha clone is no match for an omega one and wont it give new players a bad expirience to get rekt without being capable of fighting back with a chance to win |
winterblitz Crendraven
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:53:14 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:WTF did I just read?
Skill limitations are so central to the concept of the alpha clone that you may as well be asking why water is wet. perhaps but why is water wet? honestly i dont know |
Sol epoch
Aliastra Gallente Federation
431
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:57:03 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:WTF did I just read?
Skill limitations are so central to the concept of the alpha clone that you may as well be asking why water is wet. perhaps but why is water wet? honestly i dont know
You have just confirmed there is no accounting for stupid in this world!
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2017.06.16 16:36:42 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:atleast let me keep those skills that i have already trained and why is it seperate in the first place it only leads to frustration if you fight an omega as an alpha and you both have the same ship the omega will always win becuase he does like 10% more damage or has 5% more shield or better drones why arent just the ships locked but all the skills are accesible and why lock my skills lets say ive been playing since 2008 im not but just for example i left the game for 1 year and now i come back only to find all my stuff locked behind a paywall if you payed for 1 year thats more than 100$ why dont you get permanent omega you already paid ccp enough and alot of people probaly wont reach this point
winterblitz Crendraven wrote:i understand that ccp needs to make money but and im no expert they must be making alot more than they actually need it just feels like its a tiny bit pay to win as an alpha clone is no match for an omega one and wont it give new players a bad expirience to get rekt without being capable of fighting back with a chance to win
Mate, this -> . <- is a Full Stop or Period (depending where you're from). Train it to at least LvL1 then start grinding Capital Letters to at least 3.
Skills are locked out because it's a subscription game. You aren't buying any skills with your subscription money, you are buying ACCESS to the skills. Of course there's a "paywall" in a free trial, or who would sub?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11417
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Posted - 2017.06.16 16:52:12 -
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I'm starting a pool.
Leave your guesses here for when you think the OP will change corps to Doomheim.
Send 25M ISK to me with the title "Pool". I'll let you know when you win...really.
Mr Epeen |
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
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Posted - 2017.06.16 17:04:41 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:"they must be making alot more than they actually need" LOL.
You should too, then pay for the game. There, problem solved. |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
545
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Posted - 2017.06.16 17:08:27 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:i understand that ccp needs to make money but and im no expert they must be making alot more than they actually need it just feels like its a tiny bit pay to win as an alpha clone is no match for an omega one and wont it give new players a bad expirience to get rekt without being capable of fighting back with a chance to win 1. That "making alot more than they actually need" is called "profit." It is what businesses are usually set up to acquire. 2. It's not pay to win. A bad omega clone will lose to a good alpha.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2017.06.16 18:35:29 -
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basicacally its a game of sink or swim you chose to sink |
Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
150
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Posted - 2017.06.16 22:05:28 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:i understand that battle ships and carriers are locked and playing with a navy cruiser is fine but why when my omega runs out all of my omega skills get locked? atleast let me keep those skills that i have already trained and why is it seperate in the first place it only leads to frustration if you fight an omega as an alpha and you both have the same ship the omega will always win becuase he does like 10% more damage or has 5% more shield or better drones why arent just the ships locked but all the skills are accesible and why lock my skills lets say ive been playing since 2008 im not but just for example i left the game for 1 year and now i come back only to find all my stuff locked behind a paywall if you payed for 1 year thats more than 100$ why dont you get permanent omega you already paid ccp enough and alot of people probaly wont reach this point
Because it's Alpha. If you want to play the full game, then pay for it like all the rest of us legitimate players.
Alphas should not be a part of the game. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2017.06.16 22:29:58 -
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This is a troll thread. I hope.
You're paying $0/mo, and you feel you aren't getting your $0/mo worth from the game? |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2017.06.16 23:13:09 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:This is a troll thread. I hope.
You're paying $0/mo, and you feel you aren't getting your $0/mo worth from the game? Well there are overheads such as power and the internet.
Plus lets not forget the opportunity cost of actually paying for an omega.
The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.
After all we are not just players, we are customers.
Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
646
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Posted - 2017.06.17 05:50:57 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote: they must be making alot more than they actually need
This kind of thinking is what is wrong with the world.
"This bank surly has more money than they need, I think I shall make a withdrawal, at night, by force."
"Surely this elderly women has more purses than she needs, I think I shall do her a favor and take this one, by force."
Extremes but they get my point across.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
662
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Posted - 2017.06.17 06:42:38 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:WTF did I just read?
Skill limitations are so central to the concept of the alpha clone that you may as well be asking why water is wet. perhaps but why is water wet? honestly i dont know
More interesting than the thread. OP needs an answer to this pressing issue.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.06.17 08:30:19 -
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Water is wet because of its molecular composition.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1682
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Posted - 2017.06.17 10:08:21 -
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That's a / for me.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
333
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Posted - 2017.06.17 11:14:50 -
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I'd feel hypocritical to suggest 'get rich and pay up'. But I can wholeheartedly suggest you to 'git gud', make ISK, and buy PLEXes. Legend says there are people out there who never payed a dime to CCP, and have no problem of sustaining an Omega acc (or more).
But if you feel it's the Alpha-limitations that keep you away from this state, being Omega will not help either.
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Remains Intact
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.06.17 14:21:48 -
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The real question is if alpha limitations give people the desire to sub. In the case of my friends that I attempt to introduce to the game the answer is a flat out: no. Not one single friend of about 20 has stayed longer than a couple days in eve. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1683
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Posted - 2017.06.17 15:40:35 -
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Remains Intact wrote:The real question is if alpha limitations give people the desire to sub. In the case of my friends that I attempt to introduce to the game the answer is a flat out: no. Not one single friend of about 20 has stayed longer than a couple days in eve. What were their issues with EVE? What were their expectations, when they started playing?
Remove standings and insurance.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11425
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Posted - 2017.06.17 15:46:01 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote: What were their issues with EVE? What were their expectations, when they started playing?
I'm going to guess ponies were involved.
Mr Epeen
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2017.06.17 16:57:51 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:i understand that battle ships and carriers are locked and playing with a navy cruiser is fine but why when my omega runs out all of my omega skills get locked? atleast let me keep those skills that i have already trained and why is it seperate in the first place it only leads to frustration if you fight an omega as an alpha and you both have the same ship the omega will always win becuase he does like 10% more damage or has 5% more shield or better drones why arent just the ships locked but all the skills are accesible and why lock my skills lets say ive been playing since 2008 im not but just for example i left the game for 1 year and now i come back only to find all my stuff locked behind a paywall if you payed for 1 year thats more than 100$ why dont you get permanent omega you already paid ccp enough and alot of people probaly wont reach this point
because alpha clones are useless ? |
Skorpynekomimi
745
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Posted - 2017.06.17 21:42:18 -
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The hamsters need to be fed somehow. Have you tried paying for your subscription with RL moneys on a plan? It's a lot less effort than making enough ISK to PLEX. Half a day of shifting stuff in a warehouse pays for three months of EVE omega time, leaving the other 4 1/2 days of income free to pay for all my other expensive hobbies.
EVE is comparatively cheap. It's not like you're playing Warhammer 40K or other forms of plastic crack.
Economic PVP
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MidnightWyvern
The Bosena Accords
366
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Posted - 2017.06.18 18:37:23 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:winterblitz Crendraven wrote: they must be making alot more than they actually need This kind of thinking is what is wrong with the world. "This bank surly has more money than they need, I think I shall make a withdrawal, at night, by force." "Surely this elderly women has more purses than she needs, I think I shall do her a favor and take this one, by force." Extremes but they get my point across. Thank you for pointing this out.
Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!
Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
663
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Posted - 2017.06.18 21:46:27 -
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Remains Intact wrote:The real question is if alpha limitations give people the desire to sub. In the case of my friends that I attempt to introduce to the game the answer is a flat out: no. Not one single friend of about 20 has stayed longer than a couple days in eve. A couple days is not enough time for Alpha vs Omega to make any difference whatsoever. They quit with, what, 580,000 skill points after a couple days instead of the 585,000-ish they would have had as an Omega after a couple days? A couple days isn't even enough time to expire a pre-Alpha buddy link trial.
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Aeryn Maricadie
Serious About Space Things. Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2017.06.19 08:25:47 -
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Who the hell do you think you are to determine what price people charge for their labor? Are you really complaining about how CCP is gracious enough to allow you to continue playing for free? If being a free to play alpha is too hard for you sub, or go back to WOW ya commie. |
Salvos Rhoska
3047
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Posted - 2017.06.19 08:51:54 -
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winterblitz Crendraven wrote:i understand that ccp needs to make money but and im no expert they must be making alot more than they actually need it just feels like its a tiny bit pay to win as an alpha clone is no match for an omega one and wont it give new players a bad expirience to get rekt without being capable of fighting back with a chance to win
Used to be you could only free trial for ~15 days before having to sub.
Now you can Alpha forever.
The Alpha skill sets are completely adequate to fly the available hulls at good efficiency.
Its not pay to win. Its pay to play the full content of the game.
TLDR: EVE is a subscription MMO with a restricted free trial.
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