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Zyper Minmatar Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:16:00 - [1] clicky Some1 clearly loaded enough to buy 50 or so timecards and sell them to finance something in a game.. Makes me wanna puke :(, play the time like the rest.. --
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:18:00 - [2] As long as it's officially sanctioned, you might as well get used to it. Take comfort in all the good karma you're saving up by not doing the same thing. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Matalino Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:22:00 - [3] $750 in GTC's Someone please gank whatever he buys with that. I would love to see the wine thread from that one.
Templer Relleg Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:23:00 - [4] Either he is filthy rich, or he is a reseller.
Kiyirari Retribution Corp.	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:29:00 - [5] Na, they just have a well payed job and thats just a fraction of their bonus they just got at end of the fincial year. I'll take a wild guess on what their gonna spend the isk on,either T2 BPO's or capital ships Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:36:00 - [6] As the buyer in that system of GTC transfert is no more protected by CCP, the buyers are taking a serious risk. Be cheered by the thought that he can be a scammer.
Templer Relleg Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Venkul Mul As the buyer in that system of GTC transfert is no more protected by CCP, the buyers are taking a serious risk. Be cheered by the thought that he can be a scammer. What the hell are you all on about? The secure way of trading GTC is supported. If he is a scammer or gets scammed, he is fully supported by CCP.
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:04:00 - [8] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 18/05/2007 18:02:53 Hmm 8 B . That's nothing man . That kind of money can buy you 1 good t2 BPO or several crappy ones. Thank You SkyFlyer
SirDregann IV Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:27:00 - [9] Edited by: SirDregann IV on 18/05/2007 18:25:10 Someones 8bill happier
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 19:48:00 - [10] I agree, makes me sick to the stomach. CCP, you either support RMT or don't ***** pretend that your game is free of RMT. This is ****** == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.05.18 19:51:00 - [11] 1 guy selling that many is just laughable and stupid... but at least it's been giving the CCP seal of "we don't care just do it" Originally by: Dark Shikari Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. Tripping The Rift Since 2005
Roddiev	Posted - 2007.05.18 19:52:00 - [12] Don't forget that selling GTC's for ISK will soon be stopped, according to a statement by Kieron
SirDregann IV Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.05.18 19:59:00 - [13] Well if he wants to ruin the game for himself hes going the right way. You have a linky to where Kieron said that?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.18 20:11:00 - [14] 50 people are now happy they're playing without paying. 1 person has some fancy junk he didn't work for and will probably lose to pirates. I don't see a problem really. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.05.18 20:19:00 - [15] Originally by: hydraSlav I agree, makes me sick to the stomach. CCP, you either support RMT or don't ***** pretend that your game is free of RMT. This is ****** EVE has been RMT for ages... It's actually even worse than you think since people who buy T2 BPOs can make their investment back in real $ ... Not to mention those people who are earning real $ from winning the T2 BPO lottery.
Roddiev	Posted - 2007.05.18 20:31:00 - [16] Originally by: SirDregann IV Well if he wants to ruin the game for himself hes going the right way. You have a linky to where Kieron said that? Yes
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.05.18 20:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Matalino $750 in GTC's Someone please gank whatever he buys with that. I would love to see the wine thread from that one. my mom was right! rich people spend their money for stupid things :P
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.18 20:59:00 - [18] Trying to cash in before they make the change. His time will come. ----------------------------------------------------
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.18 21:28:00 - [19] Edited by: ry ry on 18/05/2007 21:27:47 Originally by: Frug 50 people are now happy they're playing without paying. 1 person has some fancy junk he didn't work for and will probably lose to pirates. I don't see a problem really. i'd just like to quote this, because it's important enough to read twice. he's right, you know. spend enough time being morally outraged, and pretty soon your moral outrage loses focus and you stop rationalising. who honestly gives a **** what somebody is going to do with that much cash? 8 billion is a drop in eve's financial ocean. what if he'd sold a character created especially for sale? that's good old fashioned honest work and totally acceptable, right? of course not. you just create it and log in occasionally to change skills. exactly the same principal though: real life cash = isk. care less.
lusifar	Posted - 2007.05.18 21:38:00 - [20] actually this is what you can call racism.. you are complaining and trying to remove the chenise for farming and selling isk for $, and at the same time it's okey when some one else do it.. it's butting the chenise in a box saying "you can't do it, but we can" and thereby thinking your better then them and have the right to do this. this is the closest i have seen to racism on this forum :) (although the word have been used ALOT without any justice for it)
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.18 21:46:00 - [21] Originally by: lusifar actually this is what you can call racism.. you are complaining and trying to remove the chenise for farming and selling isk for $, and at the same time it's okey when some one else do it.. it's butting the chenise in a box saying "you can't do it, but we can" and thereby thinking your better then them and have the right to do this. this is the closest i have seen to racism on this forum :) (although the word have been used ALOT without any justice for it) stop smoking *****. seriously.
Roddiev	Posted - 2007.05.18 21:53:00 - [22] Originally by: lusifar actually this is what you can call racism.. you are complaining and trying to remove the chenise for farming and selling isk for $, and at the same time it's okey when some one else do it.. it's butting the chenise in a box saying "you can't do it, but we can" and thereby thinking your better then them and have the right to do this. this is the closest i have seen to racism on this forum :) (although the word have been used ALOT without any justice for it) WHAT THE HELL
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.18 21:56:00 - [23] I personally like the system. The rich players don't have to waste time making isk, they can sell GTC's and enjoy the game their way. Players like me who are not quite poor but have time to burn can putter around, have fun making isk, and have our game time paid for by the rich people. It's a win/win situation really.
lusifar	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Cipher7 I personally like the system. The rich players don't have to waste time making isk, they can sell GTC's and enjoy the game their way. Players like me who are not quite poor but have time to burn can putter around, have fun making isk, and have our game time paid for by the rich people. It's a win/win situation really. plif?! did i TOTALLY miss something when people complained about chinese farmers?! if this is not a problem and you don't think its a problem that rich people can have a unfair advantage then WTH?! lets just try the thought for a secund and drive it to the exstreme. let say some one wanna do the BOB trick, and he is Freaking rich IRL. this means he can solo handed pay his way to owning and ruling whole systems without even playing the game?! O.o but well if this is your appinion then by all means do it.. BUT DON'T ever complain about chinese farmers and leave them to do what YOU clearly think is right for the game and its players ..
Phoenix Britannian Gallente Virtue Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Phoenix Britannian on 18/05/2007 22:06:18 Originally by: lusifar actually this is what you can call racism.. you are complaining and trying to remove the chenise for farming and selling isk for $, and at the same time it's okey when some one else do it.. it's butting the chenise in a box saying "you can't do it, but we can" and thereby thinking your better then them and have the right to do this. this is the closest i have seen to racism on this forum :) (although the word have been used ALOT without any justice for it) Yes, you definately missed something. It's not racism. We don't like Chinese gold farmers, not because they're Chinese, but because of the underhanded, unsanctioned, bannable methods they employ to farm gold. - Phoenix Britannian
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:10:00 - [26] i dont see how selling gtc for isk affects the game in any way. for example, players may have lots of isk in game but not much money irl, may have families to feed and ecetera. but a single person buying 50+ gtc at a time is excessive and maybe that is where the problem lies?
Sir Keldorn Gallente HEAVENS DEMONS	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Frug 50 people are now happy they're playing without paying. 1 person has some fancy junk he didn't work for and will probably lose to pirates. I don't see a problem really. So TRUE!! I can't stop laughing. SO TRUE!!
lusifar	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Phoenix Britannian Edited by: Phoenix Britannian on 18/05/2007 22:06:18 Originally by: lusifar actually this is what you can call racism.. you are complaining and trying to remove the chenise for farming and selling isk for $, and at the same time it's okey when some one else do it.. it's butting the chenise in a box saying "you can't do it, but we can" and thereby thinking your better then them and have the right to do this. this is the closest i have seen to racism on this forum :) (although the word have been used ALOT without any justice for it) Yes, you definately missed something. It's not racism. We don't like Chinese gold farmers, not because they're Chinese, but because of the underhanded, unsanctioned, bannable methods they employ to farm gold. okey exsplain what is wrong with there method ? almost all of them are ratting/missioning (because this can be done 24/7 in the same place). as people have said when you enter a system there in they get to the ss and cloak.(this would mean you don't even see them). so i really don't see your problem with them unless its just because you think its wrong that THEY as a non ccp member make money from selling isk? if this is the chase, your saying its okey for some but not for others, and those others a of a nationallity which means your putting one part over another and this is what racism is. kvote : "Racism is bigotry, prejudice, violence, oppression, stereotyping, discrimination or any other socially divisive practice whose primary basis is the concept of race. However, beyond that, the term has varying and often hotly contested definitions. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races. The Merriam-Webster's Webster's Dictionary dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.[1] The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism thus: the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others." PS: i don't have a problem with any of this isk selling buying BUT it should be fair for all.. either its WRONG or its OKEY.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:22:00 - [29] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 18/05/2007 22:21:55 hey, if hes stu... err I mean, if he can afford blowing cash on bits of data... let him do it.. speaking of which, I have a brooklyn bridge I wanna sell ... edit: and lay off the Chinese before CCP forum ban ya... is bad to stereotype mkay?... just call them farmers. no need to drag the Race into it... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:30:00 - [30] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/05/2007 22:30:07 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 18/05/2007 22:21:55 hey, if hes stu... err I mean, if he can afford blowing cash on bits of data... let him do it.. speaking of which, I have a brooklyn bridge I wanna sell ... edit: and lay off the Chinese before CCP forum ban ya... is bad to stereotype mkay?... just call them farmers. no need to drag the Race into it... Chinese is a NATIONALITY, not a race. What the heck is with the "OMG RACISM" posters that come out of the woodwork every time someone says "Chinese" or "American" or "British" or any other country that people can be citizens of? They are Chinese gold farmers because they sit in MMORPG sweatshops in China, farming gold for a Chinese business, and they speak Chinese. It is not an insult saying they are Chinese--it is a simple, straightforward fact. Nobody is claiming that all people in EVE of nationality X are gold farmers. They are saying that some gold farmers in EVE are of nationality X. You don't need to go nuts over someone saying the name of a country. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Dark Shikari You don't need to go nuts over someone saying the name of a country. Spain
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Ikasu Originally by: Dark Shikari You don't need to go nuts over someone saying the name of a country. Spain Racist!
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.18 23:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/05/2007 22:30:07 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 18/05/2007 22:21:55 hey, if hes stu... err I mean, if he can afford blowing cash on bits of data... let him do it.. speaking of which, I have a brooklyn bridge I wanna sell ... edit: and lay off the Chinese before CCP forum ban ya... is bad to stereotype mkay?... just call them farmers. no need to drag the Race into it... Chinese is a NATIONALITY, not a race. What the heck is with the "OMG RACISM" posters that come out of the woodwork every time someone says "Chinese" or "American" or "British" or any other country that people can be citizens of? They are Chinese gold farmers because they sit in MMORPG sweatshops in China, farming gold for a Chinese business, and they speak Chinese. It is not an insult saying they are Chinese--it is a simple, straightforward fact. Nobody is claiming that all people in EVE of nationality X are gold farmers. They are saying that some gold farmers in EVE are of nationality X. You don't need to go nuts over someone saying the name of a country. i hate the danish.. COME ON SOME HATE TO THE DANISH PEOPLE .... i feel all alone and not nearly hated enough here in danmark (yes i am danish hehe) ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.05.18 23:29:00 - [34] Originally by: lusifar plif?! did i TOTALLY miss something when people complained about chinese farmers?! if this is not a problem and you don't think its a problem that rich people can have a unfair advantage then WTH?! lets just try the thought for a secund and drive it to the exstreme. let say some one wanna do the BOB trick, and he is Freaking rich IRL. this means he can solo handed pay his way to owning and ruling whole systems without even playing the game?! O.o but well if this is your appinion then by all means do it.. BUT DON'T ever complain about chinese farmers and leave them to do what YOU clearly think is right for the game and its players .. GTCs for isk = CCP gets paid farmer isk to ebay = farmer gets paid Looks different to me... ------------------- Say What?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.18 23:35:00 - [35] Personally I hate icelandic isk farmers the most. They totally hack. I've seen them. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 23:37:00 - [36] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 18/05/2007 23:34:45 Originally by: Roddiev Don't forget that selling GTC's for ISK will soon be stopped, according to a statement by Kieron No it won't. Kieron's english skills are ... lacking. :) I asked Oveur in Jita local and his anwer was : "?[ 2007.05.13 21:54:03 ] CCP Oveur > Setano: No, we're only facilitating the secure trade of it, the abuse and scamming was affecting a lot of our customers" -------------------------------------------------- http://dojo.fi/~rancid/loituma__.swfAlways look on the bright side
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:15:00 - [37] I am gonna open a can of worms here, just a disclaimer. but 1st, yes, saying they are Chinese by themselves is not an insult, but adding the "farmer" (defined as: someone who we hate for doing 24/7 to get isk) do have a problem... since it is a degrading term, (in our context) and secound, it is totally unneccesary . this is what I have problems with. it is completely unneccesary. and quite frankly, as a person of Chinese ancestry (Han/汉族) born in Hong Kong that is living in Canada, I am STILL quite offended by the openly, accepted stereotypes that have been thrown around. (but I guess I shouldnt expect any better, since well, just look at hollywood and the influences on the world...all the fun rolleyes degrading stereotypes being thrown around.) think about it, is it anymore appropriate if I start calling people: Irish Drunks or Redneck hillbillies? or use the term: drunken fat natives? hey, I can bring up examples or those, and I am not directed at specific examples that can disconfirm it(same thing with the farmer thing.) but does that make it any more appropriate? (had a longer list, but I feel I shouldnt say them because they are inappropriate and might get me hit with the ban stick/warning) think about that for a secound. would you like people throwing stereotypes at you that you know is a minority and not representative? sure, statistically it might be slightly true, but personaly, I would not use those terms together (such as Irish Drunk) out of decency and respect feel free to disagree. but as CCP mentioned in that recently necroed thread: leave the description out of it. (the term CCP say not to us is Asian..but..Chinese is included in Asian for those who doesnt know.) and now to the can of worms, Dark Shikari, the distinction between ancestry and nationality differs and depends on if you are of Chinese ancestry, where you grow up, and what is taught by your family. and your example is alittle off. yes, anyone can be British/American provided they become a citizen (heck, I am British, since I was born in Hong Kong, a former British Colony) but can I be English? or Ango-saxon?.. no, to anyone who is English, I would still be.. Chinese, despite having an BNO and born with a British birth Certificate. and I am pretty sure they would be very confused and give me the odd/weird look if I insist that I am English. (happened before, when I 1st came to Canada as a child.) you have to understand, the "Chinese" has been around for a very long time, and though some twist of fate, the national/ancestral distinctions are quite intermingled with each other. (key point.) you can be Han, but you are still Chinese, you can be Sui, but you are STILL chinese.. is REALLY hard to seperate between the two: nationality and ancestry for the "Chinese" heck, in Cantonese or Mandiran. the characters for "Chinese people" and "Citizens of China" are the same characters. 中國人 well, atleast its written like that when no other detail is added, the literal translation is "middle kingdom people". or Chinese people, which goes into the next point there are several definitions of "Chinese" -legal one being the citizens of People's republic or China. (This one would be the one you addressed Shikari. but there are other meanings as well.) -national perspective being the ethinic group that includes the Han and all the groups that share the ancestry. This include oversea Chinese like me, who is living in Canada, but lets face it, despite being a Canadian Citizen, if anyone see me at 1st glance, they will say "oh, hes Chinese." instead of "hey, hes Canadian." -Ancestral perspective, argh running out of space, but it means what it says. all in all, I wouldnt be offended if the term usage to "isk farmers that are located in China." (which is the country.) but to say "Chinese Isk Farmers" well, the day when all of Eve screams: "YAY!!! WE LOVE CHINESE FARMERS". is the day I wont feel being put down. -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Phoenix Britannian Gallente Virtue Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:35:00 - [38] Originally by: lusifar Originally by: Phoenix Britannian Edited by: Phoenix Britannian on 18/05/2007 22:06:18 Originally by: lusifar actually this is what you can call racism.. you are complaining and trying to remove the chenise for farming and selling isk for $, and at the same time it's okey when some one else do it.. it's butting the chenise in a box saying "you can't do it, but we can" and thereby thinking your better then them and have the right to do this. this is the closest i have seen to racism on this forum :) (although the word have been used ALOT without any justice for it) Yes, you definately missed something. It's not racism. We don't like Chinese gold farmers, not because they're Chinese, but because of the underhanded, unsanctioned, bannable methods they employ to farm gold. okey exsplain what is wrong with there method ? almost all of them are ratting/missioning (because this can be done 24/7 in the same place). as people have said when you enter a system there in they get to the ss and cloak.(this would mean you don't even see them). so i really don't see your problem with them unless its just because you think its wrong that THEY as a non ccp member make money from selling isk? if this is the chase, your saying its okey for some but not for others, and those others a of a nationallity which means your putting one part over another and this is what racism is. kvote : "Racism is bigotry, prejudice, violence, oppression, stereotyping, discrimination or any other socially divisive practice whose primary basis is the concept of race. However, beyond that, the term has varying and often hotly contested definitions. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races. The Merriam-Webster's Webster's Dictionary dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.[1] The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism thus: the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others." PS: i don't have a problem with any of this isk selling buying BUT it should be fair for all.. either its WRONG or its OKEY. Because they automate it through macroing programs so they can do it 24/7, which is not only against the terms of service but also against the whole spirit of the game. On top of that, they automate several accounts at once. On top of that, you have the ones that exploit, hack, and dupe to generate things to sell. They destroy and manipulate entire game economies in their actions. Every time one of the farmers gets banned it improves the game for all the actual players. You know, when the secondary market first started up nearly a decade ago, it was based in the US, then, once they were forced out of the US they moved the farming operations to Mexico, and then once they had enough money to go global, they moved most of their operations to China. - Phoenix Britannian
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:38:00 - [39] "Irish Drunks" Work away, I dont give a ** what you think, and you shouldnt give a ** about people slagging off farmers. Are you one? No. End discussion.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Phoenix Britannian Because they automate it through macroing programs so they can do it 24/7, which is not only against the terms of service but also against the whole spirit of the game. On top of that, they automate several accounts at once. On top of that, you have the ones that exploit, hack, and dupe to generate things to sell. They destroy and manipulate entire game economies in their actions. Every time one of the farmers gets banned it improves the game for all the actual players. You know, when the secondary market first started up nearly a decade ago, it was based in the US, then, once they were forced out of the US they moved the farming operations to Mexico, and then once they had enough money to go global, they moved most of their operations to China. see? this guy said it in a way without stereotyping or labelling... thanks for being civil and polite. Phoenix -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:40:00 - [41] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/05/2007 00:41:11 Originally by: Velsharoon "Irish Drunks" Work away, I dont give a ** what you think, and you shouldnt give a ** about people slagging off farmers. Are you one? No. End discussion. oh, farmers is fine, slag away, do what phoenix did, but when you drag the Chinese (in the terms of the ethicity) into it. then I have a problem. and yes, I am Chinese. Edit: the problem: well, it makes eve a community that is really hard to be proud of. if Eve as a community condone these stereotypes. -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Petrothian Tong Originally by: Velsharoon "Irish Drunks" Work away, I dont give a ** what you think, and you shouldnt give a about people slagging off farmers. Are you one? No. End discussion. oh, farmers is fine slag away, do what phoenix did, but when you drag the Chinese (in the terms of the ethicity) into it. then I have a problem. But dude most of the people who are farmers are chinese, so grow some ******* and admit its a problem and woo your one of the good guys.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Velsharoon Originally by: Petrothian Tong Originally by: Velsharoon "Irish Drunks" Work away, I dont give a ** what you think, and you shouldnt give a about people slagging off farmers. Are you one? No. End discussion. oh, farmers is fine slag away, do what phoenix did, but when you drag the Chinese (in the terms of the ethicity) into it. then I have a problem. But dude most of the people who are farmers are chinese, so grow some ******* and admit its a problem and woo your one of the good guys. dude. thats like saying most property crime is commited by African Americans. if you are African American, would you like being lumped in with the group that people see as the "bad" guy -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:46:00 - [44] but your not chinese, its ok
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:48:00 - [45] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/05/2007 00:46:21 Originally by: Velsharoon but your not chinese, its ok ....... okay, I dont even know how to respond to that... *looks back up.. hmm I did mention where I am from... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Petrothian Tong Originally by: Velsharoon but your not chinese, its ok ....... okay, I dont even know how to respond to that... as a member of the black irish community i am offended by your insinuations sir :/
Phoenix Britannian Gallente Virtue Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/05/2007 00:41:11 Originally by: Velsharoon "Irish Drunks" Work away, I dont give a ** what you think, and you shouldnt give a ** about people slagging off farmers. Are you one? No. End discussion. oh, farmers is fine, slag away, do what phoenix did, but when you drag the Chinese (in the terms of the ethicity) into it. then I have a problem. and yes, I am Chinese. Edit: the problem: well, it makes eve a community that is really hard to be proud of. if Eve as a community condone these stereotypes. Unfortunately it's not really a stereotype. I don't think that everyone from China is a farmer, but something like 99.9% of farmers these days are Chinese. That which is true cannot be a stereotype. - Phoenix Britannian
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:52:00 - [48] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/05/2007 00:51:35 Originally by: Phoenix Britannian Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/05/2007 00:41:11 Originally by: Velsharoon "Irish Drunks" Work away, I dont give a ** what you think, and you shouldnt give a ** about people slagging off farmers. Are you one? No. End discussion. oh, farmers is fine, slag away, do what phoenix did, but when you drag the Chinese (in the terms of the ethicity) into it. then I have a problem. and yes, I am Chinese. Edit: the problem: well, it makes eve a community that is really hard to be proud of. if Eve as a community condone these stereotypes. Unfortunately it's not really a stereotype. I don't think that everyone from China is a farmer, but something like 99.9% of farmers these days are Chinese. That which is true cannot be a stereotype. well, thing is. yes, its representative. for farmers. (farmer stereotype) (Edit: Keypoint.) but for the Chinese no... as you said. not everyone who is Chinese is a farmer. and alot of the times when used on the forum, the degrading implications is on the Chinese, not isk farmers. thats why I had problems when is the term Chinese isk Farmer is used. Farmer is sufficent. -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Velsharoon Originally by: Petrothian Tong Originally by: Velsharoon but your not chinese, its ok ....... okay, I dont even know how to respond to that... as a member of the black irish community i am offended by your insinuations sir :/ I apologize. -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Phoenix Britannian Gallente Virtue Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/05/2007 00:51:35 Originally by: Phoenix Britannian Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/05/2007 00:41:11 Originally by: Velsharoon "Irish Drunks" Work away, I dont give a ** what you think, and you shouldnt give a ** about people slagging off farmers. Are you one? No. End discussion. oh, farmers is fine, slag away, do what phoenix did, but when you drag the Chinese (in the terms of the ethicity) into it. then I have a problem. and yes, I am Chinese. Edit: the problem: well, it makes eve a community that is really hard to be proud of. if Eve as a community condone these stereotypes. Unfortunately it's not really a stereotype. I don't think that everyone from China is a farmer, but something like 99.9% of farmers these days are Chinese. That which is true cannot be a stereotype. well, thing is. yes, its representative. for farmers. (farmer stereotype) (Edit: Keypoint.) but for the Chinese no... as you said. not everyone who is Chinese is a farmer. and alot of the times when used on the forum, the degrading implications is on the Chinese, not isk farmers. thats why I had problems when is the term Chinese isk Farmer is used. Farmer is sufficent. True, giving an additional qualifier for something which is practically a given considering the current makeup of the farmer population is somewhat superfluous. - Phoenix Britannian
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:57:00 - [51] Edited by: Velsharoon on 19/05/2007 01:03:07 Edited by: Velsharoon on 19/05/2007 01:01:25 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Originally by: Velsharoon Originally by: Petrothian Tong Originally by: Velsharoon but your not chinese, its ok ....... okay, I dont even know how to respond to that... but because im nice and Im feeling guilty about how my bretheren were oppressed by the white man i forgive you as a member of the black irish community i am offended by your insinuations sir :/ I apologize. didnt you read the ********* bit? but your forgiven, just as i hope u forgive other people for not giving a rats ass about stupid crap like the nationality of farmers, which 9/10 times actually are chinese
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.19 01:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Velsharoon didnt you read the ********* bit? but your forgiven, just as i hope u forgive other people for not giving a rats ass about stupid crap like the nationality of farmers, which 9/10 times actually are chinese meh, I guess this hits home alot more for me, since I had been harrassed/smacked(with nasty overtones toward my ancestry.)/greifed in game just cause I had a recognizable Chinese Last name. -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.19 01:48:00 - [53] Sweden
Aedaxus Caldari Digital Zone Corp	Posted - 2007.05.19 02:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Zyper clicky Some1 clearly loaded enough to buy 50 or so timecards and sell them to finance something in a game.. Makes me wanna puke :(, play the time like the rest.. The game time cards/codes are good for people who can't pay with credit card. If you read the FAQ ( http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp ) you can clearly see that CCP is doing every effort to make it possible to pay with almost every known online payment method (including "Bpay û Australian online EFT"), but some players prefer their local dealer I guess. Sig removed, please keep it within the 1x1 pixel limit.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 02:49:00 - [55] Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/05/2007 02:47:31 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/05/2007 22:30:07 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 18/05/2007 22:21:55 hey, if hes stu... err I mean, if he can afford blowing cash on bits of data... let him do it.. speaking of which, I have a brooklyn bridge I wanna sell ... edit: and lay off the Chinese before CCP forum ban ya... is bad to stereotype mkay?... just call them farmers. no need to drag the Race into it... Chinese is a NATIONALITY, not a race. What the heck is with the "OMG RACISM" posters that come out of the woodwork every time someone says "Chinese" or "American" or "British" or any other country that people can be citizens of? You try not employing someone in RL because of their NATIONALITY and see how far that excuse gets you with the judge. "Your honour - Its ok - Its a nationality - not a race." SKUNK
Celestal	Posted - 2007.05.19 02:50:00 - [56] Maybe 50 guys in a corp bought 1 gtc each , got 1 member of the corp to sell them all , will use the isk to setup a pos somewhere , with corp mining ships or bpo`s to earn the corp moneys and have fun . 50 people bought the timecodes so we now have 100 happy little eve bunnies wheres the problem ?
Aedaxus Caldari Digital Zone Corp	Posted - 2007.05.19 03:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Le Skunk You try not employing someone in RL because of their NATIONALITY and see how far that excuse gets you with the judge. "Your honour - Its ok - Its a nationality - not a race." SKUNK I sure hope those of foreign nationality have a permit to work and/or live in the other country when they are in court. Sig removed, please keep it within the 1x1 pixel limit.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.19 08:18:00 - [58] i thought most of the gold farmers were korean anyway.
JoCool Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.19 08:36:00 - [59] Edited by: JoCool on 19/05/2007 08:36:47 Sellings GTCs is a completely other thing than chinese gold farmers. Farmers make rl money by selling isk and by farming do pump isk into the game, increasing inflation. GTC sellers buy play time for real money. Players buy those "aquired subscriptions" for isk - the isk wanders ingame, probably in most cases from the rich players to the poorer players. I've made the observations that players with much time to play eve usually had quite a healthy amount of isk they'd spent on GTC. Players with less time and more rl work are generally poorer ingame. So what you get with GTC sales is a redistribution of money in a balacing form. It's working to keep the top of rich players down and to get the bottom up. In my book that's good. _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
Reithan Caldari Zero Team	Posted - 2007.05.19 09:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/05/2007 02:47:31 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/05/2007 22:30:07 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 18/05/2007 22:21:55 hey, if hes stu... err I mean, if he can afford blowing cash on bits of data... let him do it.. speaking of which, I have a brooklyn bridge I wanna sell ... edit: and lay off the Chinese before CCP forum ban ya... is bad to stereotype mkay?... just call them farmers. no need to drag the Race into it... Chinese is a NATIONALITY, not a race. What the heck is with the "OMG RACISM" posters that come out of the woodwork every time someone says "Chinese" or "American" or "British" or any other country that people can be citizens of? You try not employing someone in RL because of their NATIONALITY and see how far that excuse gets you with the judge. "Your honour - Its ok - Its a nationality - not a race." SKUNK You try not not doing math in college because of the LETTERS and see how far that excuse gets you with the professor. "Professor - Its ok - X is a letter - not a number." ---------- Nice rhetoric. In any case, just becuase lots of people mis-use a word, and it's thus upheld, in that context, in one or more country's judicial systems, doesn't mean it's not still ignorant.
Dagiba	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:11:00 - [61] A few things.... 1st: How does everyone "know" that farmers are located in China? I mean how do you really know, the farmers could be from anywhere couldn't they? Just because they don't repond to your idle chatter doesn't mean they are chinese they could be Canadian for all you know. 2nd: Who cares if someone sells a bunch of GTCs? If you don't like it don't buy it. 3rd: $750 worth of GTCs does not mean that you are rich. If you feel that way you may consider upgrading your career and moving on from McDonalds. lol lol Flame away B*tches
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:18:00 - [62] thing is you cant do anything against RL purchase of MMO items. you can limit ban and etc, but there is a huge demand, so the offer adapts to anything i prefer to see GTC resellers than underground sites ran by sweatshops ------
Probeltis Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:21:00 - [63] Get over it. It basically comes down to this. Selling GTC is an agreement that you will pay for the other persons account, and as compensation they will give you isk. Where is the big deal in this? I've done it with friends before. We both loved playing a game but they couldn't afford it. They offered some small amount of ingame money and I put their account on my card. We both played, we had fun, it didn't ruin the game. If you don't like it. Go somewhere else. ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:22:00 - [64] Farmers can't be canadian, the government here would tax the **** out of them Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:23:00 - [65] Some people just have more money than sense. Someone wants to spend IRL cash on in game ISK then thats his loss tbh.
Dagiba	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:25:00 - [66] I agree, I guess my real points are that if people really don't like it then there should be no demand for "illegal" ISK. Obviously someone is buying it, or these guys wouldn't be in business. The other point is that, while there are obviously some ISK farmers that are located in China, why would they be the only ones? Why couldn't some guy from Texas (or Papua New Guinea for that matter) be an ISK farmer? Ya ya I know not everyone can afford $750, sorry for that one. Really I mean it
Dagiba	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:26:00 - [67] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Farmers can't be canadian, the government here would tax the **** out of them LOL Thats the truth! PST, GST now the newly developed ISKST!
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:29:00 - [68] You can use the word "race" in place of "nationality." Not trying to be a jerk just letting you know. A quick check on dictionary.com will show that in repeated entries including the American Heritage Dictionary, and a bunch of others on there. ...and in regards to the topic at hand -> laserbeams. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Raia Mortius Yin Bao	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:41:00 - [69] CCP is smart enough to realise that $ for isk will ALWAYS happen in EVERY mmo and the are cashing in on it. no amount of pseudo morale outrage will change this. there is people with lots of money and little time and people with lots of time and little money (and a lot of shades in between). The people with lots of time will always scream, whine and stomp their feet at the "outrageous cheating" that is isk buying/selling. get over it. at least ccp gets a cut of the pie.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:11:00 - [70] Edited by: Princess Jodi on 31/05/2007 16:11:42 Personally, the reason I hate ISK/GTC selling is cuz it really offends me that some 11-year old puke can grab their rich Daddy's credit card and gain an advantage over me in the game. The only solice I get out of it is that he would probably be stupid and lose it quickly. Then there're the Instant Gratification belief of today's youth which states that anything they do for more than 10 minutes should result in huge rewards or instant uberness. Other than that, I object to the Politically Correct movement branding everything as Racist. The result is that you can't criticize ANY group. Thank God (Oh, wait: I'm sure someone will object to that) ... Thank the Great Prophet Zarquon that I still can pursue my one remaining Non-PC fetish: Persecution of the Short. 'Don't want no Short People 'round here' - Randy Newman
Dagiba	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:22:00 - [71] Edited by: Dagiba on 31/05/2007 16:21:40 I had some 11 year old puke once. I kept in a big jar, it smelled bad. It eventually got moldy, and I don't like mold, so I threw it away.
Zyper Minmatar Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Dagiba Edited by: Dagiba on 31/05/2007 16:21:40 I had some 11 year old puke once. I kept in a big jar, it smelled bad. It eventually got moldy, and I don't like mold, so I threw it away. --
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Dagiba Edited by: Dagiba on 31/05/2007 16:21:40 I had some 11 year old puke once. I kept in a big jar, it smelled bad. It eventually got moldy, and I don't like mold, so I threw it away. W.T.F.
Juggernaut Kell Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/05/2007 22:30:07 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 18/05/2007 22:21:55 hey, if hes stu... err I mean, if he can afford blowing cash on bits of data... let him do it.. speaking of which, I have a brooklyn bridge I wanna sell ... edit: and lay off the Chinese before CCP forum ban ya... is bad to stereotype mkay?... just call them farmers. no need to drag the Race into it... Chinese is a NATIONALITY, not a race. What the heck is with the "OMG RACISM" posters that come out of the woodwork every time someone says "Chinese" or "American" or "British" or any other country that people can be citizens of? They are Chinese gold farmers because they sit in MMORPG sweatshops in China, farming gold for a Chinese business, and they speak Chinese. It is not an insult saying they are Chinese--it is a simple, straightforward fact. Nobody is claiming that all people in EVE of nationality X are gold farmers. They are saying that some gold farmers in EVE are of nationality X. You don't need to go nuts over someone saying the name of a country. Thank you. It gets really old listening to some sniveling whiner tryin to stir up crap.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.31 16:50:00 - [75] 8 billion isk worth of GTCs..... Ugh. Originally by: Matalino Someone please gank whatever he buys with that. /Signed. -
goofus	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:15:00 - [76] Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:21:00 - [77] Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"...
Probeltis Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:36:00 - [78] The only way I can see this becoming unfair is if CCP started selling salaries ingame for real money. Like a base subscription is only $15 for $20/month you get 25mil/week salary for $40/month you get 100mil/week salary for $50/month you get 135mil/week, free insurance on everything over a BC, and free ships up to cruisers ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:37:00 - [79] Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"... No but you would have to buy the tennis balls, shoes, clothing, and any equipment you need. Like that thing you hit the balls with...it's got a handle...some like...wire and stuff. Buying the equipment allows you to play the game. Buying GTC's and selling them for isk allows him to play the game. --- Put in space whales!
goofus	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:41:00 - [80] Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"... Sorry, not getting your fuzzy logic with the pro tennis/Eve thing and unless your the "God of Eve" your opinion does not invalidate mine. If you are the "God of Eve", please bless me with 1 newb piloted, faction fitted bs in my low sec home everytime I log on (Just in case).
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:48:00 - [81] Originally by: goofus Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"... Sorry, not getting your fuzzy logic with the pro tennis/Eve thing and unless your the "God of Eve" your opinion does not invalidate mine. If you are the "God of Eve", please bless me with 1 newb piloted, faction fitted bs in my low sec home everytime I log on (Just in case). The logic's not fuzzy. If you don't understand it, try harder. By the way, the point of discussions is to discuss, not to invalidate one another. Oh, and "you're" is the contraction for "you are". "Your" is a possessive pronoun.
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:51:00 - [82] Edited by: Angellyne on 31/05/2007 17:55:06 Originally by: Lisento Slaven Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"... No but you would have to buy the tennis balls, shoes, clothing, and any equipment you need. Like that thing you hit the balls with...it's got a handle...some like...wire and stuff. Buying the equipment allows you to play the game. Buying GTC's and selling them for isk allows him to play the game. No, buying GTCs and using them to pay the subscription allows him to play the game. Buying GTCs and trading them for ISK allows him to make progress in the game - obtain items and whatnot - without playing the game. [Edit: Got to point out here, I don't particularly care. In other games, people run macros to level their characters. In some games you use RMT for everything. If not for GTCs, people would buy ISK some other way. I don't rail about this any more than I rail about people who use cheat codes in single-player games. My point was simply that "buying" game items, compared to "earning" them wouldn't really fall under the "you play your way I'll play mine" argument.]
goofus	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"... Sorry, not getting your fuzzy logic with the pro tennis/Eve thing and unless your the "God of Eve" your opinion does not invalidate mine. If you are the "God of Eve", please bless me with 1 newb piloted, faction fitted bs in my low sec home everytime I log on (Just in case). The logic's not fuzzy. If you don't understand it, try harder. By the way, the point of discussions is to discuss, not to invalidate one another. Oh, and "you're" is the contraction for "you are". "Your" is a possessive pronoun. Aww no, you musta wint to skool, ah gess yor rite an am rawng sence yor grammar lesonn validates yor dikushun.
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:06:00 - [84] Originally by: goofus Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"... Sorry, not getting your fuzzy logic with the pro tennis/Eve thing and unless your the "God of Eve" your opinion does not invalidate mine. If you are the "God of Eve", please bless me with 1 newb piloted, faction fitted bs in my low sec home everytime I log on (Just in case). The logic's not fuzzy. If you don't understand it, try harder. By the way, the point of discussions is to discuss, not to invalidate one another. Oh, and "you're" is the contraction for "you are". "Your" is a possessive pronoun. Aww no, you musta wint to skool, ah gess yor rite an am rawng sence yor grammar lesonn validates yor dikushun. Yeah, sometimes the point of discussion is simply to find out who's worth discussing things with. You're clearly not.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:07:00 - [85] Originally by: heheheh Some people just have more money than sense. Someone wants to spend IRL cash on in game ISK then thats his loss tbh. Do you spend money on movies? Do you spend money on alcohol? Do you spend money on cover charges at clubs? Do you spend money on going out to dinner? Anything beyond subsistence level living is essentially ****ing money away, so what they do is pay a "premium" on enhancing their gameplay. Fair? no, but real. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
goofus	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:21:00 - [86] Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: goofus Unfair advantage! Unfair advantage! Please... I buy GTCs and sell them for ISK occasionally because I can only play 3-5 hrs a week. Maybe I should be whinning about an unfair advantage for you pale, sunless voits who play 16 hrs a day. Or, how bout this...You play your way, I'll play mine Sounds good. Wait, you said "play" your way, right? Not "buy" your way? I mean, I could have devoted the time and effort to becoming a professional tennis player, but I chose to do / had to do other things instead. If I went and bought a bunch of tennis trophies tomorrow, I wouldn't exactly call it "playing my way"... Sorry, not getting your fuzzy logic with the pro tennis/Eve thing and unless your the "God of Eve" your opinion does not invalidate mine. If you are the "God of Eve", please bless me with 1 newb piloted, faction fitted bs in my low sec home everytime I log on (Just in case). The logic's not fuzzy. If you don't understand it, try harder. By the way, the point of discussions is to discuss, not to invalidate one another. Oh, and "you're" is the contraction for "you are". "Your" is a possessive pronoun. Aww no, you musta wint to skool, ah gess yor rite an am rawng sence yor grammar lesonn validates yor dikushun. Yeah, sometimes the point of discussion is simply to find out who's worth discussing things with. You're clearly not. And you are?
Probeltis Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:28:00 - [87] Lets take the tennis analogy into account here. Lets say you have little money, and you have to really practice and practice and practice to get very good at all. Now lets say someone else has alot of money, and while they also need to practice to get good, they can afford a world champion tennis great to coach them and give them tips and pointers. You have to play him in a match and he beats you do to his superior training. Is that unfair? Should the tennis association people not allow him to play because he has better training? No. It sucks, but its just the way it is. GET OVER IT ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:28:00 - [88] Hey man, I'm strapped for cash. Pay my Eve subscription for a couple months? I'll give ya 600mil isk. Deal? Sure, no prob. ------------------- Say What?
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:39:00 - [89] Originally by: Probeltis Lets take the tennis analogy into account here. Lets say you have little money, and you have to really practice and practice and practice to get very good at all. Now lets say someone else has alot of money, and while they also need to practice to get good, they can afford a world champion tennis great to coach them and give them tips and pointers. You have to play him in a match and he beats you do to his superior training. Is that unfair? Should the tennis association people not allow him to play because he has better training? No. It sucks, but its just the way it is. GET OVER IT LOL, you were doing ok until "get over it". Both players in your example have to put in the effort to obtain the "trophies" - neither one bought them. I guess it depends what you consider the "bought" items in Eve to be - the ends or the means. If our GTC/ISK trader was trading his GTCs for - I dunno, advanced gameplay advice or something, then your analogy would work. Since he's buying items that other players have to put in time and effort to obtain, it doesn't. So, uh, "get over it" I guess.
Probeltis Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:44:00 - [90] Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: Probeltis Lets take the tennis analogy into account here. Lets say you have little money, and you have to really practice and practice and practice to get very good at all. Now lets say someone else has alot of money, and while they also need to practice to get good, they can afford a world champion tennis great to coach them and give them tips and pointers. You have to play him in a match and he beats you do to his superior training. Is that unfair? Should the tennis association people not allow him to play because he has better training? No. It sucks, but its just the way it is. GET OVER IT LOL, you were doing ok until "get over it". Both players in your example have to put in the effort to obtain the "trophies" - neither one bought them. I guess it depends what you consider the "bought" items in Eve to be - the ends or the means. If our GTC/ISK trader was trading his GTCs for - I dunno, advanced gameplay advice or something, then your analogy would work. Since he's buying items that other players have to put in time and effort to obtain, it doesn't. So, uh, "get over it" I guess. Actually your right, my analogy is flawed. It's not that they can afford better training. Both sides training is the same. It's just that they can afford better shoes/racket/bottled water/more comfortable hotel room the night before... whatever. It still comes down to skill. ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Angellyne No, buying GTCs and using them to pay the subscription allows him to play the game. Buying GTCs and trading them for ISK allows him to make progress in the game - obtain items and whatnot - without playing the game. [Edit: Got to point out here, I don't particularly care. In other games, people run macros to level their characters. In some games you use RMT for everything. If not for GTCs, people would buy ISK some other way. I don't rail about this any more than I rail about people who use cheat codes in single-player games. My point was simply that "buying" game items, compared to "earning" them wouldn't really fall under the "you play your way I'll play mine" argument.] I do not measure progress in EVE by the size of my wallet or the assets I have. That is where my point differs drastically from yours in this situation =P. To me, him getting isk by selling GTC's just gets him money to do stuff in the game. Which is the same thing as me harvesting rogue drones for hours at time to get money to do stuff in the game. A lot of people just have a problem with them not playing the game the same way and making money (I consider GTC's as part of the game since CCP said it was an ok thing to do). --- Put in space whales!
Probeltis Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:05:00 - [92] Exactly. I measure my progress in Eve the same as I do in real life. not by the size of my wallet but by what I know, and who my friends are. In eve my success isn't about how much isk I have (as I don't have much) but by how my skills are setup and who my friends are. ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it

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