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Castor Dei
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:13:00 -
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I'm currently flying a Cerberus (love it although it didn't fare well against the 10 man gang I nubbed into) and am a stones throw from getting in a Nighthawk with good support skills (shield/cap etc).
My questions is this:
Obviously with most of the non specific skills (warefare link specialist/leadership etc) done then cross training is going to be a fairly painless task. Which other HAC/Command ship should I skill for.
I'm currently tending towards the Astarte/Deimos because I have rail/hybrid and support skills that will be more than adequate in only a very short space of time (I'm missiles through and through atm). Also my drone skills are pretty solid (Eos?) apart from not having T2 heavies. A bonus to this will be the ability to fly a T2 fitted thorax.
Which is the best bang for buck? Bear in mind I don't want to officer/faction/deadspace fit them as I'm not scared of getting myself shot and therefore losing a couple ;)
Thoughts greatly welcomed.
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:17:00 -
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for what purpose?
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Cougem
Defile.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:17:00 -
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Bang for the buck eos, but if you haven't got t2 ogres that means you probably need specialisation skill IV and heavy drone op V, so thats at least another month. Still, worth it in my opinion - not only would it open you up for the ishtar but the extra midslot over the astarte works wonders in PVP. The astarte's good though, and has that extra low slot for the tank. That just really comes down to playing style.
I'd never fly a deimos, though.
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Castor Dei
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:32:00 -
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 Originally by: slothe
for what purpose?
Sorry - I managed to put everything in apart from the most important part. Ideally for solo PvP or small gang.
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:36:00 -
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if your flying in gangs i personally dont like either the eos or astarte as their range is limited (if you fit blasters) or damage is weak (if use rails) though tank is good.
Any drone ship in a gang has limited use (ruling out ishtar and eos) as drones damage is delayed.
Deimos is weak and suffers same problem as eos and astarte.
i think your better off using the cerberus / nighthawk tbh which your using already.
everyone raves about how good the eos / astarte is (including me previously). they are good but not as good as there made out to be.
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Cougem
Defile.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cougem on 19/05/2007 12:37:18
I think small gang an eos or an astarte is perfectly good choice; with tacklers to web them and such the astarte gets even better. However, for fleet I agree - not so great.
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Hrafnin
Amarr
Versus Terminus
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:43:00 -
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Do i dare say absolution, a bunch of these ******* will tear anyone a new one.
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Castor Dei
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hrafnin
Do i dare say absolution, a bunch of these ******* will tear anyone a new one.
Definitely an option I considered but it means training a whole new set of gun skills. How much 'better' is it than nighthawk/astarte?
Aso I'm tending towards solo PvP rather than gang, but these are the two most likely options. Fleet battles will find me in the bog standard raven/scorp.
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Hrafnin
Amarr
Versus Terminus
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:55:00 -
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Aye, not to **** in your face or anything. Lots of people say they prefer solo and whatnot. In reality they almost never go solo. You might be the exeption thou, dont know, dont care.
Point in case, Absolution might not be that great in for solo pvp, but in small gangs it sure does stand out. I even choose 'em before dps mosters like astarte and sleipnir becouse of the range. yeah unless i go solo that is 
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Castor Dei
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hrafnin
Aye, not to **** in your face or anything. Lots of people say they prefer solo and whatnot.
70/30 : solo/gang
I'm in a pretty small corp with erratic online times so it's through neccessity rather than choice.
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Hrafnin
Amarr
Versus Terminus
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:09:00 -
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Well in that case go gallente, the injector/mwd Ishtar, astate and eos are all great ships.
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:23:00 -
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astartes prob best solo tbh. mail me ingame if you need setup
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Razor Jaxx
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/05/2007 16:03:01
I'd go for the Eos, but it's a high-skill ship.
Why the Eos over the Astarte? (1) the incredible drone capacity bonus, (2) the better armor resists and (3) the ability to mount 7 turrets (the only fleet CS to have this ability).
An Eos with a full rack of t2 heavies, seven t2 electron blasters, its natural armor resists (with the explosive 'hole' patched with rigs/mods), and dual reps with the rep boost bonus will take you a long way.
Edit : As an aside bonus, you can skill up information warfare, and use the Eos in fleet gang as an ECM/ECCM superiority ship. Boosting the sensor strength AND the EW strength and range of an entire fleet all by 35% is a big plus.
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:12:00 -
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I remember the toxin guy in his Sleipnir pwning the sh*t out of us back in Venal. He solo'd everything he could lock down. That was impressive.
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Anaka Totoch
Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:39:00 -
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I guess it all comes down to your style of play. I fly neither of these races commands, however from corp mates info. The astarte and eos definitely are more for the solo player, whereas the caldari ones lack in this aspect of game play.
As has been said before you need the mids for ew to catch people and they really need to be shield tanked. This makes them good for medium sized gangs because the missiles have a fair range and shield tanks last a long while, especially passive tanks.
If you are going to be solo most of the time i would advise going for the gallente, eos is very versatile and astarte is the dps monster.
Sleip and claymore are both nice. They are good at what they do and suit my gameplay style, but i am minnie specced. They both have shield tanks, but teh sleip can sacrifice a slot or two for ew making it a good solo ship.
I have heard that the amarr ones are very nice to. The abso being the real bang for bucks, but i think that is very much a gang ship due to lack of mids for solo trips. I have never flown one though.
I have to say out of all of those commands the best by far is the eos. It can perform the most tasks at a reasonable level. It can be a blaster + drones dps monster, can be a nos + tank moster. It can even get in fleet fights with rails and 3 gang mods.(very skill intensive) The choice comes down to whether that is your style of gameplay, for me i will never like drones as my primary weapon. I have tried blasters before and didnt like them. Hope this brief overview helps
Anaka
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.05.19 18:23:00 -
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NOOOO!!! go for NH!!! once ur in one u will wonder why u ever liked ur cerb in the first place.
I liked the cerb, i liked it a lot, untill i got into the NH, i laughed hard when prices for cerb where higher then for a NH.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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SauronTheMage
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.20 02:05:00 -
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I enjoy my nighthawk. Optimal T2 setup passive tanks 285 hp / sec while in a gang (vulture only does upto 265 hp / sec with optimal T2 setup).
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