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Nero Jove
United Wolfs Nations
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Posted - 2017.06.29 01:10:08 -
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Hmmmm. CCP employs a number of fulltime economists to manage the in game economy. Is it a surprise to anyone that PLEX prices are soaring? This is NOT an unintended consequence, but as someone who runs multiple accounts it is wearing on my desire to continue to play. Most of my game time use to be having fun. Now it's all about grinding ISK which frankly is pretty damn tedious. I am thinking it is time to take a break and go play something else for a while. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2017.06.29 03:06:13 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Hmmmm. CCP employs a number of fulltime economists to manage the in game economy. Is it a surprise to anyone that PLEX prices are soaring? This is NOT an unintended consequence, but as someone who runs multiple accounts it is wearing on my desire to continue to play. Most of my game time use to be having fun. Now it's all about grinding ISK which frankly is pretty damn tedious. I am thinking it is time to take a break and go play something else for a while.
For you to play the game for free, means fundamentally someone else has to pay for you. You are looking directly at the limits of how much they ware willing to pay for you and what they want for it. IMO it also ultimately distorts the ingame economy so I'd not shed a tear if you and some of your ilk go. There is no other solution for plex prices other than some of you stopping doing this, just like there is no other long term solution for car traffic other than some people taking the train.
CCP does have issues with plex, in that if ingame plex isk prices get too high people need to buy less plex to complete any individual project (like buy a rorqual) and that will eventually outweigh the finite number of people that will buy plex, at which point the price runs away, but I also imagine they work on figuring out where that point is. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1064
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Posted - 2017.06.29 03:43:12 -
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Corales nails it.
Supply and demand. With free alpha, more players are trying to omega free. Price of PLEX will climb until a new equalibrium is established between people buying PLEX with real and selling it for ISK and people buying g PLEXA with real to get free play time. |
Jedidiah Togenada
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.06.29 04:22:19 -
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How many large MMOs allow you to earn something ingame that will pay for the full game experience?
If that's your yardstick for enjoying a game, I think you're going find few options, other than EVE.
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u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
847
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Posted - 2017.06.29 04:39:47 -
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This is where Sonya comes in and tells you if you cannot afford to pay 10$ a month, you are playing the wrong game
And he/she is right. EVE is cheap. You will pay the same price for a burger. If PLEX is too expensive for someone, then why not switch to sub? PLEX is a luxury, I am the 1000th man saying this and this is the 100th+ thread on the topic.
I used to buy PLEX for 270 mil ISK. In 10 years 500 PLEX might equal 5 billion ISK. Better get used to it. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
493
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Posted - 2017.06.29 11:46:52 -
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Coralas wrote: For you to play the game for free, means fundamentally someone else has to pay for you. You are looking directly at the limits of how much they ware willing to pay for you and what they want for it. IMO it also ultimately distorts the ingame economy so I'd not shed a tear if you and some of your ilk go. There is no other solution for plex prices other than some of you stopping doing this, just like there is no other long term solution for car traffic other than some people taking the train.
No other solution? Maybe nerf the ISK faucets so that we dont get 60 trillion extra ISK per month? Where do you think all this extra ISK goes? There is very little destruction, so nothing to replace and the material deflation caused by Rorqual makes PLEX the only good gold item. There are players who hoard millions of PLEX.
Another solution would be to nerf SP farms, because they consume large amounts of PLEX, but CCP wont do this because they earn twice as much with an SP farm account than with an regular account.
But why do this? PLEX hoarders and SP farmers, who only log in once a month, are more important than active players, right? |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
496
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Posted - 2017.06.29 11:56:14 -
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u3pog wrote:This is where Sonya comes in and tells you if you cannot afford to pay 10$ a month, you are playing the wrong game And he/she is right. EVE is cheap. You will pay the same price for a burger. If PLEX is too expensive for someone, then why not switch to sub? PLEX is a luxury, I am the 1000th man saying this and this is the 100th+ thread on the topic. Depends where you live. In Europe, everyone has to pay 15$ a month for an EVE sub, but the average net wage varies between 205$ and 5310$. A Swiss citzten earns 26 times more than a Ukrainian citizen, but both have to pay 15$ for a sub. PLEX is not a luxury, it is essential for some players. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
665
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Posted - 2017.06.29 12:39:09 -
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I don't play much these days but I do a bit. And I am Alpha, max Alpha. And I just consider it playing eve on hard mode. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3445
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Posted - 2017.06.29 13:36:05 -
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Algarion Getz wrote: PLEX is not a luxury, it is essential for some players.
TIL playing EVE online is essential. I wonder how the billions of human being who never played it manage to survive. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
498
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Posted - 2017.06.29 15:19:17 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Algarion Getz wrote: PLEX is not a luxury, it is essential for some players.
TIL playing EVE online is essential. I wonder how the billions of human being who never played it manage to survive. I said its essential for some players, not people. If PLEX gets too expensive, they have to unsub.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3445
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Posted - 2017.06.29 15:38:39 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Algarion Getz wrote: PLEX is not a luxury, it is essential for some players.
TIL playing EVE online is essential. I wonder how the billions of human being who never played it manage to survive. I said its essential for some players, not people. If PLEX gets too expensive, they have to unsub.
It's still a luxury which mean CCP does not ahve to make it "affordable" no matter how space poor you or anyone else might be. |
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
129
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Posted - 2017.06.29 15:48:04 -
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Coralas wrote:...
CCP does have issues with plex, in that if ingame plex isk prices get too high people need to buy less plex to complete any individual project (like buy a rorqual) and that will eventually outweigh the finite number of people that will buy plex, at which point the price runs away, but I also imagine they work on figuring out where that point is.
You are quite correct with this being the sole exception. CCP is compeltely insulated from the in-game movements of PLEX prices because of the way the system is designed. The $/month income which CCP derives from EvE Online is driven only by the number of subscribed Omega accounts. Regardless of whether those accounts have been avtivated using in game PLEX or with real world money. At some point someone paid real money for that PLEX - so if you are PLEXing your account, you are basically spending your game time working so that someone else can pay for you to play.
Once you understand how this game economy works you'll probably get less precious about PLEXing your account. If you were to spend your time more productively you'd be better of simply paying the subscription fee, and using all that extra time to do something more productive with your life...
Life is too short to be wasted on playing a video game. So if it isn't fun, don't do it.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2969
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Posted - 2017.06.29 19:39:37 -
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Op, you are 100% correct!
This is outrageous!
This is too far!
Can I have your stuff, please?
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Radical Posture
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2017.06.30 01:42:52 -
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Oh what I would give to see a graph of subscribed accounts from beta until now. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2017.06.30 06:31:46 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Coralas wrote: For you to play the game for free, means fundamentally someone else has to pay for you. You are looking directly at the limits of how much they ware willing to pay for you and what they want for it. IMO it also ultimately distorts the ingame economy so I'd not shed a tear if you and some of your ilk go. There is no other solution for plex prices other than some of you stopping doing this, just like there is no other long term solution for car traffic other than some people taking the train.
No other solution? Maybe nerf the ISK faucets so that we dont get 60 trillion extra ISK per month? Where do you think all this extra ISK goes? There is very little destruction, so nothing to replace and the material deflation caused by Rorqual makes PLEX the only good gold item. There are players who hoard millions of PLEX.
If you reduce income, the price of plex falls, but the time taken to farm the plex rises until the price of plex falls to the old relative level.
Its not really going to go back into a box of taking less actual time to farm, because the time to farm is a reflection of how much time / effort multiaccounting people are willing to go through to farm plex, which will remain constant.
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Baron Chauman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2017.06.30 07:54:05 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Hmmmm. CCP employs a number of fulltime economists to manage the in game economy. Is it a surprise to anyone that PLEX prices are soaring? This is NOT an unintended consequence, but as someone who runs multiple accounts it is wearing on my desire to continue to play. Most of my game time use to be having fun. Now it's all about grinding ISK which frankly is pretty damn tedious. I am thinking it is time to take a break and go play something else for a while.
When I played this game, I plexed three accounts doing things I enjoyed doing. When those things became less profitable and the PLEX price still kept rising, I quit and moved over to other games. It is a game, if you don't enjoy it, stop doing it.
You have to look at what the people who are fine with paying 1.5b for 30 days are doing to make isk, and either keep up with that, or quit if subscribing is not an option.
One standard response to these threads, besides the ones already here, used to be "you can make that easily 30 minutes per day AFK in an Ishtar". I guess an hour per day doesn't sound as easy, so people don't say that anymore?
Are we past the point where the slightly-above-average player can at least in theory afford to PLEX, or have people just forgotten how to do plex price threads? |
Marek Kanenald
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.30 09:02:17 -
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Plex prices increased due to a number of factors:
1. Isk faucets leading to inflation 2. Skill extractors increase demand for plex 3. Switch to mini plex led to speculation and hoarding
Size of the playerbase shouldn't impact Plex prices as long as the ratio of people who buy plex and those who don't remains the same.
Skill injectors are a luxery item for the rich, if you just want to sub your account every week than you are hurt by the way demand for skill extractors drive up prices. I would be very interested to see what portion of plex goes to buying skill extractors. |
Salvos Rhoska
3051
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Posted - 2017.06.30 10:17:43 -
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Consider PLEX as a luxury, and approach EVE as a subbed game.
Once you internalize that, you can rationalize your plans in EVE without feeling like you are being screwed.
Its not a mind****, per se, though it might feel like that at first till you get over the conceptual hump. Its realizing the true status quo of EVE
Take my word for it. You will be much happier once you swallow that pill.
PLEX when you can and have had a good month. Consider that a real achievement and be proud of it. Sub when you cant, but dont feel bad about it. EVE is cheap for what it offers. Its a good deal. You get your moneys worth in spades. I have never regretted subbing.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
4111
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Posted - 2017.06.30 20:11:37 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:PLEX is not a luxury, it is essential for some players.
cry me a river
you sund like a plexoholic, maybe you should attend a meeting
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FreshMadFruits
Apotheosis. Rejection Of Sovereignty
2
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Posted - 2017.07.01 21:14:44 -
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CCP is not putting a gun to your head to coerce you into buying the PLEX with isk. As long as the PLEX will be a useful item people will buy it, until the price will go above its actual value.
Its capitalism at work, its beautiful. How much more are you willing to pay for your plex? Looks like not a lot more.
Remember like in real life, its not consumption that creates demand its work. |
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Fluffy Moe
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.07.02 19:41:31 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Hmmmm. CCP employs a number of fulltime economists to manage the in game economy. Is it a surprise to anyone that PLEX prices are soaring? This is NOT an unintended consequence, but as someone who runs multiple accounts it is wearing on my desire to continue to play. Most of my game time use to be having fun. Now it's all about grinding ISK which frankly is pretty damn tedious. I am thinking it is time to take a break and go play something else for a while.
While I do understand playing multi accounts may be fun for some people, you have to realize that its just as unfun and game ruining experience for others.
While personally I am not at a point where it drives me out of the game I would prefer not to see it in the game at all. things such as multi accounting, multiboxing, botting, various hacks, cheats, exploits are all same crap to me and do not belong in MMOs and have actually caused a complete collapse of many of them over the years.
So if I have to choose between one multiboxer / botter leaving vs an active player, I would rather have the active player stay 1000x over then the botter / multiboxer.
I do not see this as an issue nor do I sympathize.
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Deandra Walran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.07.03 02:48:50 -
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Fluffy Moe wrote:Nero Jove wrote:Hmmmm. CCP employs a number of fulltime economists to manage the in game economy. Is it a surprise to anyone that PLEX prices are soaring? This is NOT an unintended consequence, but as someone who runs multiple accounts it is wearing on my desire to continue to play. Most of my game time use to be having fun. Now it's all about grinding ISK which frankly is pretty damn tedious. I am thinking it is time to take a break and go play something else for a while. While I do understand playing multi accounts may be fun for some people, you have to realize that its just as unfun and game ruining experience for others. While personally I am not at a point where it drives me out of the game I would prefer not to see it in the game at all. things such as multi accounting, multiboxing, botting, various hacks, cheats, exploits are all same crap to me and do not belong in MMOs and have actually caused a complete collapse of many of them over the years. So if I have to choose between one multiboxer / botter leaving vs an active player, I would rather have the active player stay 1000x over then the botter / multiboxer. I do not see this as an issue nor do I sympathize.
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Kitty Rousseau
Psyclon Nine Services Inc
0
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Posted - 2017.07.03 03:24:04 -
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All griping aside 1.5 bill for a 500 plex is not that hard to get... I know people who can make a bill in 4 hours ^_^ All it takes are some T2 heavy fighters and your carrier skill above three. Bang 110mill ticks. Hell in a regular carrier you can plex your account in a day or so depending on newt traffic and how many pvp ships you lose chasing them off your lawn... (Hence the reason carriers were nerfed)
FFS two macks mining mercoxit can plex your account in a day or so as well. One mack mining mercoxit can plex your account in no time as well... Mercox is coming up on 3 mill a compressed cube might take a few days for a single account but just spread it out and save up your iskies. :)
Even an alpha playing the market correctly can plex their account. It will take some time but if you wanna play for free then deal with it.
If you rly rly want to plex your account it is very doable... Do your homework, don't be a knob and bash your head agents the wall and do the actual work.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1692
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Posted - 2017.07.03 05:21:32 -
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Fluffy Moe wrote:Nero Jove wrote:Hmmmm. CCP employs a number of fulltime economists to manage the in game economy. Is it a surprise to anyone that PLEX prices are soaring? This is NOT an unintended consequence, but as someone who runs multiple accounts it is wearing on my desire to continue to play. Most of my game time use to be having fun. Now it's all about grinding ISK which frankly is pretty damn tedious. I am thinking it is time to take a break and go play something else for a while. While I do understand playing multi accounts may be fun for some people, you have to realize that its just as unfun and game ruining experience for others. While personally I am not at a point where it drives me out of the game I would prefer not to see it in the game at all. things such as multi accounting, multiboxing, botting, various hacks, cheats, exploits are all same crap to me and do not belong in MMOs and have actually caused a complete collapse of many of them over the years. So if I have to choose between one multiboxer / botter leaving vs an active player, I would rather have the active player stay 1000x over then the botter / multiboxer. I do not see this as an issue nor do I sympathize. +1 to this post.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Marek Kanenald
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2017.07.03 10:11:11 -
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Kitty Rousseau wrote:All griping aside 1.5 bill for a 500 plex is not that hard to get... I know people who can make a bill in 4 hours ^_^ All it takes are some T2 heavy fighters and your carrier skill above three. Bang 110mill ticks. Hell in a regular carrier you can plex your account in a day or so depending on newt traffic and how many pvp ships you lose chasing them off your lawn... (Hence the reason carriers were nerfed)
FFS two macks mining mercoxit can plex your account in a day or so as well. One mack mining mercoxit can plex your account in no time as well... Mercox is coming up on 3 mill a compressed cube might take a few days for a single account but just spread it out and save up your iskies. :)
Even an alpha playing the market correctly can plex their account. It will take some time but if you wanna play for free then deal with it.
If you rly rly want to plex your account it is very doable... Do your homework, don't be a knob and bash your head agents the wall and do the actual work.
The ease with which carriers earn money by ratting is like I already said one of the reasons why plex prices are rising in the first place.
Which of course kinda sucks for everyone without a carrier....
But hey, the nerf is incoming. CCP cancelled their major carrier nerf (only doing small nerfs) and they said they would look into other ways of nerfing carrier ratting. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
258
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Posted - 2017.07.03 10:48:11 -
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The problem is not carrier dps, it's the easy NPC's (allowing for cancer no-tank fits) and nullsec safety.
When was the last anomaly revision, 10 years ago? (not talking about "we increased drone aggro by 10%" ones), Cap spawns killed a lot afk vni's and ishtars but it's not an overhaul. Meanwhile carriers have become the new battleships of EvE xd
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Cross Strike
Strike Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.07.03 17:12:59 -
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I am a casual PVE player (1 or 2 missions/sites a day - an hour or so a night), and I can make enough ISK for the subscription... I don't think it's that hard, you just need to grind.
I am sure there are even faster ways to make ISK too... decline multi-pocketed missions, blitz, explo, incursion, warfare, etc.
Also, mini PLEX at 3M is now equal to what the original PLEX was ~1.5B. no?
If anything, I think making ISK now is easier... it could be my standings now tho.. grinding anything below lvl 4 is crap. |
Zaku Ganymede
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.07.05 09:17:35 -
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Jedidiah Togenada wrote:How many large MMOs allow you to earn something ingame that will pay for the full game experience?
If that's your yardstick for enjoying a game, I think you're going find few options, other than EVE.
The largest of them all. Warcraft |
Vartan Sarkisian
Comply Or Die Fidelas Constans
206
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Posted - 2017.07.05 09:48:59 -
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Cross Strike wrote:I am a casual PVE player (1 or 2 missions/sites a day - an hour or so a night), and I can make enough ISK for the subscription... I don't think it's that hard, you just need to grind.
I am sure there are even faster ways to make ISK too... decline multi-pocketed missions, blitz, explo, incursion, warfare, etc.
Also, mini PLEX at 3M is now equal to what the original PLEX was ~1.5B. no?
If anything, I think making ISK now is easier... it could be my standings now tho.. grinding anything below lvl 4 is crap.
So you're grinding those sites just to get the isk to subscribe for another month so you can grind sites again... Rinse and repeat. What is the point of playing the game just to earn the isk to playt the game for one month when all you are doing is grinding sites for the next month sub? |
Kaphrah
Nemesis Logistics The Bastion
45
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Posted - 2017.07.05 10:40:31 -
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Fluffy Moe wrote:Nero Jove wrote:Hmmmm. CCP employs a number of fulltime economists to manage the in game economy. Is it a surprise to anyone that PLEX prices are soaring? This is NOT an unintended consequence, but as someone who runs multiple accounts it is wearing on my desire to continue to play. Most of my game time use to be having fun. Now it's all about grinding ISK which frankly is pretty damn tedious. I am thinking it is time to take a break and go play something else for a while. While I do understand playing multi accounts may be fun for some people, you have to realize that its just as unfun and game ruining experience for others. While personally I am not at a point where it drives me out of the game I would prefer not to see it in the game at all. things such as multi accounting, multiboxing, botting, various hacks, cheats, exploits are all same crap to me and do not belong in MMOs and have actually caused a complete collapse of many of them over the years. So if I have to choose between one multiboxer / botter leaving vs an active player, I would rather have the active player stay 1000x over then the botter / multiboxer. I do not see this as an issue nor do I sympathize.
people like you are the problem this game has. a few like you whined for 3 years, isboxer input broadcasting was banned. fine.
But putting multiboxers on the same level as botters and cheaters? for real? All of you scream out this ADAPT OR DIEEEEE thing. Multiboxing is allowed. Do what you praise then.
Why is it my fault you people can not manage 6 or however many accounts to make isk/pvp whatever? So when multiboxers complain about plex prices, ranting is fine, the evil boxers have to adapt. Why isn't it you people that have to adapt? why not both a bit?
You do not see this as an issue, right. I've always hated that attitude. I didn't use isboxers broadcasting ever, still I complained as it was unfair as I thought (CCP said nothing will change like a bit before they did that) If you always stand at the border laughing at the people falling off, don't be suprised no one will help you when you are finally hit by nerfs/market whatever. This general "troll/laugh at everything that doesnt affect me" thing is fun until it hits you.
Multiboxers are people enjoying the game just like you do, wanting to drive people out of the game is just showing that apparently you can't adapt. Also how exactly do people like me "ruin" your game experience? You CAN also run multiple accounts. Not my fault you chose not to.
Back to topic: CCP should imo allow exactly ONE market transaction per plex after which it is account bound. This would reduce the massive influx of the traders just making money out of an item technically not even related to ingame processes. Make an extra WTB/WTS thing in the account management and remove plexes from the market/game. solved. |
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