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Ms Sqaw	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:23:00 - [1] Seriously, pirates just seem to be constantly moaning about this, that and the other. I don't mind it that much tbh alot of its fun, especially the 'omfgwtf they not nefing the Drake, ffs I cant wtfbbq it in two hits' or the 'wtf!! WTZ it it ova powered nerf it'. I do sit in my chair laughing to myself as my partner looks on worried. What I am bemused by is when the pirate calls a carebear a whiner because as far as I can tell it seems to be the pirates that cry harder and longer than any carebears. I'm of the opinion though that its just a case of the vocal few, its just that the pirate vocal few seem to be much louder than the carebear vocal few. Just so ya know yea I am a carebear but I wouldn't be playing this game if it didn't have pirates. Pirates do a very good job imo but you are a whingy bunch of pirates.
Lal QelThyr Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:31:00 - [2] The thing is, that the "Carebears" normally whine about things that dont need fixed. At all. WTZ did nothing except reduce lag, but killed being able to catch up with people at gates/stations. The HP Buff made small ship piracy almost impossible (Twice as much time for reinforcements to arive + Frigates = death.) Privateers made life hard for some empire bears, woops, nerfbat fell on there heads. Passive Tanking needs nerfed. Not the drake, passive tanking as a whole. When a armour tank can tank better using passive shields, something is wrong. It just so happens that in nerfing Passive Shields, the Drake gets hit aswell.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:35:00 - [3] You can only name two pirate whines and the pirates now suddenly whine more carebears? Freighters, War Declarations, Scan Probes, Sentry Guns, and I could probably think of more but those are off the top of my head. The pirates whine because PVP is slowly dying, and they lash out at the things they perceive as causing it. Whereas carebears whining DOES cause it.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Ms Sqaw Seriously, pirates just seem to be constantly moaning about this, that and the other. I don't mind it that much tbh alot of its fun, especially the 'omfgwtf they not nefing the Drake, ffs I cant wtfbbq it in two hits' or the 'wtf!! WTZ it it ova powered nerf it'. I do sit in my chair laughing to myself as my partner looks on worried. What I am bemused by is when the pirate calls a carebear a whiner because as far as I can tell it seems to be the pirates that cry harder and longer than any carebears. I'm of the opinion though that its just a case of the vocal few, its just that the pirate vocal few seem to be much louder than the carebear vocal few. Just so ya know yea I am a carebear but I wouldn't be playing this game if it didn't have pirates. Pirates do a very good job imo but you are a whingy bunch of pirates. Well. Seems to me that the 'carebears' are constantly complaining about something. Nerf this Nerf that Nerf everything. And the so called 'pirates' seem to be on the defensive all the time. Explaining why CCP shouldnt nerf this or nerf that. For a couple of years it seems CCP decisions have all fallen the way of the carebear. Perhaps explaining why the 'pirate' side of the argument are getting more and more enraged and disapointed? SKUNK
Ms Sqaw	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Lal QelThyr The thing is, that the "Carebears" normally whine about things that dont need fixed. At all. But surley that is just a prespective of opinion, carebears may well think that the things that the pirates moan about don't need fixing. I mean pirates are the ones blowing other people up you would think it would be the bears moaning the loudest, and just for the record IMO WTZ just stopped pirates from getting easy kills from noobs who couldn't use BM's in a effective way. But the biggest bonus has to be less lag by far.
Ja'kar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:59:00 - [6] Edited by: Ja''kar on 20/05/2007 20:57:32 Edited by: Ja''kar on 20/05/2007 20:56:54 The thing is, that the "Carebears" normally whine about things that dont need fixed. At all. WTZ did nothing except reduce lag, And there was much better ways to reduce lag then then the hack job CCP did. Also pirates have only ever had nerfs while cearbear scream adapt and scream even louder for nerfs when they get popped.... 2bh eve is a shadow of its self it feels to me money making has overtaken the spirit of eve as a game but yah pirates whine and with good reason, unlike the cearbears (not all of em I might add) who whine when ppl get the better of them - yah for wow in space
Ja'kar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:07:00 - [7] loudest, and just for the record IMO WTZ just stopped pirates from getting easy kills from noobs who couldn't use BM's in a effective way. But the biggest bonus has to be less lag by far. When ppl use this they miss the point, miss about as far as thy can... * Not all the kills were easy - it just stopped lazy ppl afking and gave balance to the risk/reward * Tactics that were used were developed by players and usual most cearbears did not want a challenge a lot of gate tactics were skillful and could be countered eve was meant to be player led... not for example who can whine the loudest and get **** nerfed * BM caused lag not wt15 - instead of killing w15 which was in game longer than a lot of players and which as usual CCP left a problem get to big after leaving to long - just hacked it - much better ways to get rid of BM's at gates/stations...
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:25:00 - [8] The irony of this thread is delicious.
Jane Vladmir Gallente The Prancing Unicorn Club Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:44:00 - [9] Nice thread.
CoLe Blackblood Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.21 02:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Ms Sqaw I do sit in my chair laughing to myself as my partner looks on worried. Is that a "life" partner?
jimmyjam Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.21 02:48:00 - [11] This thread fails.
Devian 666 Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.21 03:24:00 - [12] The thing is if you don't protest and explain what and why you want something to change CCP won't listen. Whining doesn't work suggesting good ideas does. WCS are too powerful? Then pirates should have a mid slot mod to make their hauler jettison their cargo. You only need a lock and don't need to waste mid slots with 2 scrams or 4 disruptors. Worried about not getting a kill? Do you think they want to just leave their cargo there? You could also ransom the cargo back. Random person ejects from expensive t2 ship that you cannot fly. Ship tractor beam mod and haul it to a ss for later collection. The potential list of suggestions could go on. Start suggesting piracy mods because we really do need them. "If you had a gang of 81127 kestrals you could alpha strike Tranquility Server into a smoking hole in the ground"
Zardenim	Posted - 2007.05.21 05:35:00 - [13] Carebear alts whining about whining pirates? Oh when does it ever end?
Tellenta White-Noise	Posted - 2007.05.21 06:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Zardenim Carebear alts whining about whining pirates? Oh when does it ever end? apparently 2012 according to the discovery channel show i just watched... december 21st to be exact
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.05.21 11:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Zardenim Carebear alts whining about whining pirates? Oh when does it ever end? apparently 2012 according to the discovery channel show i just watched... december 21st to be exact Actually the date is disputed by various experts. December 21 or 22 are the two dates argued. I go with 22nd of December due to my timezone anyway. "If you had a gang of 81127 kestrals you could alpha strike Tranquility Server into a smoking hole in the ground"
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.21 12:00:00 - [16] I'm at work as usual so can't check myself but are u posting this with an alt? DE
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.21 12:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Ja'kar eve was meant to be player led... not for example who can whine the loudest and get *** nerfed I always laugh at this argument. Another is "EVE is PvP and if you don't like it..." It's like a parochial fish in a tank thinking he knows the Ocean... Eve is many things. For example, it's a SOCIAL game. Hence it being a MMORPG with people who come at/to this game from a totally different perspective. We have dedicated role-players in this game where PvP and PvE take a definite backseat. We have people who do little but socialize and only earn enough ISK to get by. We have people who are pursuing goals that have nothing to do with PvP, or even, PvE. Then we have people who're trying to build empires. And those that would oppose them. In this case, PvP is more along the lines of the dreaded blob warfare/capital ship warfare. And not the excessively easy, lame PvP of EVE (yes, EVE PvP is lame, real PvP involves skill-based shooters, not deterministic stats winding things to inevitable conclusions). So, sure piracy and sole PvP is part of EVE. But only a part. Phoenix Logistics Industries
Nymos Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:25:00 - [18] posting in an epic thread of an exclamation mark (aka alt troll) -- Every time a carebear dies an angel gets their wings (murder one)
Whineroy	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:43:00 - [19] True problem is with the whole pathetic hypocrisy regarding "pirate/carebear" divide... Someone who gatecamps in a Carrier/Mothership is a "cool pirate using tactics", while someone who refuses to go to that gatecamp is a "f*cking carebear coward who should go back to WoW". Sorry, I forgot, all "pirates", even the most nerdy little newbie gankers, are a Superior Form of Eve Player that never does anything wrong and they only have the Greater Interests of Whole Eve in their minds.
Princess Snufflebunny	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:20:00 - [20] Don't feed the trolls. Thank you.
Spawn Princess mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.05.22 04:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Spawn Princess on 22/05/2007 04:11:44 Originally by: William Hamilton The irony of this thread is delicious. You're not wrong, after months of moaning about "some guy got in my low sec mission", "i can't take the low sec shortcut in my ultra stabbed hauler", "i lost billions in my t1 piece of **** hauler in hi sec omg!", "my frig cant take enough damage to stop me getting instapopped", oh and my person favorite which actually happened "my corp of mission farming alts got decced and i was to stupid to join a npc corp, reimburse CNR, pls" And got it back because of "a bug" ROFL! Well sorry for protesting when you ruin the game with your "i wanna farm the game and sell it on ebay" crap, damn what next concord killing for ore theft, +50 WCS and concord in 0.0? You heard it here first I swear, game built on PVP you couldn't make this sh*t up!
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.05.22 04:22:00 - [22] Edited by: hellsknights on 22/05/2007 04:20:30 To the O.P i agree that they shouldent touch the drake ,they should leave it as-is . I also have something else to add,when posting comments and such or posting anything at all ,USE YOUR MAIN. Makes your statement a lot stronger and taken a bit more seriously, all i read and see now is someone saying something but to afraid to say it to the readers and accused faces.....can u say PU$$Y.. thanks
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:01:00 - [23] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 22/05/2007 18:00:25 I've alwayse thought that pireates whine more than carebears. In fact they: flame, moan, whine, *****, cry, and smack in local every single time someone does not try and haul cargo through a camp with anything other than combat modules on it. I flew a load of very expensive BPC's out through 0.0 and was flamed for hours on end by a bunch of pirates complaining it was not fair that i rigged out a BC with NO tank or any weapons but made it allign and warp in approx 2.5 seconds and have a WCS aof +2. Is there any realy reason why i need to make myself an easy target to not be accused of being lame? Oh and FYI i think the MYRM passive tanks better than the drake, I agree its a problem with passive tanks and NOT any particular ship. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
Requiescat	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Ms Sqaw Unintelligible Sorry. Couldn't hear you. I can only understand Mains, and sometimes Civian. --=-- I turned off "show corp/alliance" because, to be frank, I'm ashamed of them. They'll be turned back on when I'm somewhere more suitable for someone of my talents.
Spawn Princess mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 22/05/2007 18:00:25 I've alwayse thought that pireates whine more than carebears. In fact they: flame, moan, whine, *****, cry, and smack in local every single time someone does not try and haul cargo through a camp with anything other than combat modules on it. I flew a load of very expensive BPC's out through 0.0 and was flamed for hours on end by a bunch of pirates complaining it was not fair that i rigged out a BC with NO tank or any weapons but made it allign and warp in approx 2.5 seconds and have a WCS aof +2. Is there any realy reason why i need to make myself an easy target to not be accused of being lame? Oh and FYI i think the MYRM passive tanks better than the drake, I agree its a problem with passive tanks and NOT any particular ship. Oh come on we dont moan half as much as bears do, jesus every change to the game over the last few years is 100% down to forum whining by people who never leave safe space lol. You just wait until lvl5 missions come out, they're gonna want concord in low sec, 24 hour probe times, +3,665,852 wcs strength on everything and then still moan when they afk and die. If pies try and smack its because they are trying to get you to do summet stupid, hell it's not asif anything is on our side anymore is it. Then you have Anti-pirate trying to get you to agress on a gate so are tanking sentry's and then blob you, and dive back to higher sec with their 15 bs's We smack, I'll give you that but don't misconstrue it for whining, its trying to get a rise out of the bears to get them away form the station or at least engage without their entire corp in attendance.
Booster Terrick Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:31:00 - [26] Edited by: Booster Terrick on 24/05/2007 13:31:39 Agreed, OP. I've been playing this thing called EVE for well over 2 years, and pirates whine about everything under the sun. Game mechanics, in low sec especially, have favored piracy and ganking for that entire time. It's been my observation that CCP has a fascination with piracy or some things would've been fixed a LONG time ago...but that's fuel for another discussion. At this point of the game, with updates to travel including "warp to zero", players who wish to avoid the inevitable gank now stand a chance without having to bow to the almighty gate camp. Anything that makes pirates and gankers work harder for a kill is good news to me. What gives me my present bout of ROFL is the current "OMGIMBEINGPWNEDBYBLOBSOFANTIPIRATES" whine...I guess some people are tired of pirates' crap and have decided to fight back the only way they know how, which is to get a gang together and hunt pirates. At any rate, the economy is continuing to be refreshed from loss of ships and mods, and industrialists are making a good living. In conclusion, I suspect the decibel level of pirate whine may be greatest from those whose wallets are hitting bottom.
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Ms Sqaw Seriously, pirates just seem to be constantly moaning about this, that and the other. I don't mind it that much tbh alot of its fun, especially the 'omfgwtf they not nefing the Drake, ffs I cant wtfbbq it in two hits' or the 'wtf!! WTZ it it ova powered nerf it'. I do sit in my chair laughing to myself as my partner looks on worried. What I am bemused by is when the pirate calls a carebear a whiner because as far as I can tell it seems to be the pirates that cry harder and longer than any carebears. I'm of the opinion though that its just a case of the vocal few, its just that the pirate vocal few seem to be much louder than the carebear vocal few. Just so ya know yea I am a carebear but I wouldn't be playing this game if it didn't have pirates. Pirates do a very good job imo but you are a whingy bunch of pirates. You raise an interesting point, but lol and no.
Psyllus Ktenas Amarr BlackHole Entertainment	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:54:00 - [28] At least the pirates know how to select the main char before posting, unlike you.
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:37:00 - [29] This is how it started. Unskilled solo pirate is unable to hunt, whines for change. CCP dictionary does not include the word "balance", they overnerf or overboost, but never balance. Change scares people from going into low-sec. Lack of fair hunts, forces pirate to join pirate gang and do boring gate camp. Fear of pirate blobs leads non-pirates to avoid low-sec or use cloaks and other "lame" tactics. Pirates not happy about situation, whine for change. CCP does not know what balance....
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:44:00 - [30] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 24/05/2007 14:43:49 Originally by: Spawn Princess Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 22/05/2007 18:00:25 I've alwayse thought that pireates whine more than carebears. In fact they: flame, moan, whine, *****, cry, and smack in local every single time someone does not try and haul cargo through a camp with anything other than combat modules on it. I flew a load of very expensive BPC's out through 0.0 and was flamed for hours on end by a bunch of pirates complaining it was not fair that i rigged out a BC with NO tank or any weapons but made it allign and warp in approx 2.5 seconds and have a WCS aof +2. Is there any realy reason why i need to make myself an easy target to not be accused of being lame? Oh and FYI i think the MYRM passive tanks better than the drake, I agree its a problem with passive tanks and NOT any particular ship. Oh come on we dont moan half as much as bears do, jesus every change to the game over the last few years is 100% down to forum whining by people who never leave safe space lol. You just wait until lvl5 missions come out, they're gonna want concord in low sec, 24 hour probe times, +3,665,852 wcs strength on everything and then still moan when they afk and die. If pies try and smack its because they are trying to get you to do summet stupid, hell it's not asif anything is on our side anymore is it. Then you have Anti-pirate trying to get you to agress on a gate so are tanking sentry's and then blob you, and dive back to higher sec with their 15 bs's We smack, I'll give you that but don't misconstrue it for whining, its trying to get a rise out of the bears to get them away form the station or at least engage without their entire corp in attendance. I'm actually not concerned with the smacing in local, I can just ignore that if i want. Sometimes its even comical and makes travel interresting. In that particular instance i was being so "polite" about it that it was annoting them which I was doing to try and lead them into a trap (thats not like your blob instance however, it was still all in 0.0 sec and after 20+ jumps they would have deserved it). No it was the flamed and mails about running with stabs that i thought was odd. It'll be great if they stick those lvlo 5's in low sec (and the 6's out in 0.0) but if they do that they BETTER PUT THEM IN DRONE REGIONS TOO!! Recenetly I've been having to run mission completly in low sec to get some specific research agents and i have to say dodging and fending off pirates while still trying to do a job is alot more fun than just doing the missions. I'll be fair now, Everyone wines. Lets not classify who is worse, were all prety darn bad every now and again. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.

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