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Vallerie Rosal
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Posted - 2007.05.21 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Vallerie Rosal on 21/05/2007 00:14:28
I'm a relatively new player, having been around for only 2 months and just popping 4mil skill points. Since I've started I have been tryin to run missions effectively and somewhere along the way I found myself putting quite a bit of effort into passive shield tanking. Now having tanked lvl4 missions in a myrmidon at this point, I wouldn't defend the passive myrm against accusations of being overpowered. Sure a nerf is coming for the passive bc pilots, I get that, and I'm not about to break out crying over it. and having been a veteran player of several MMOs I've been hit with the nerf bat like a powergaming pinata, i'll live.
In light of this upcoming nerf, I was hoping to ask the more veteran eve players as to how often does CCP swing the nerf bat? It seems to me that nerfage in EVE has a much heavier impact than it does in other games. For example, being nerfed in wow simply means paying up some measily gold to redistribute your talent points, or perhaps pick up a few new pieces of gears. In EVE however, when a previously viable play style is taken away, a player risks losing huge amounts of training time, which, justifiably, cannot be refunded and redistributed. Has there been any previous actions taken by CCP to "rebalance" eve which had caused players to be stuck with wasted training? I would be very interested in hearing what you all have to say. I had previously thought eve a breath of fresh air from other MMOs, was wondering if I have subjected myself to even more hindsight game development, only this time at even a greater expense to the gamers' efforts.
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Per Bastet
Amarr
B.O.O.M
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Posted - 2007.05.21 00:25:00 -
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Firmly with two hands upside your head. Thats how.
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Jamikest
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.05.21 00:28:00 -
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Im sitting at about 12 mil SP now, so I'm not that old of a character.
Since I started, there have been 2 nerfs that affected me, or so I thought they would.
1) ECM was nerfed, and it was a severe nerf. I trained up for ECM ships, and after the nerf- realized they are still effective in gang setups. One just needed to adapt.
2) Speed nerf. I fly intys, and was afraid to see what this nerf was going to do. But it didnt affect my inty, it affected the silly nano-phoons, etc.
Now we have the likely passive tanking nerf. Of course, I have discovered the passive tanked BC to be a wonderful ship. I dont feel its overpowered, but if that nerf does come.. I am sure I can adapt.
Yes, some of the nerfs really hurt certain playstyles. Especially if you are a creative character who has taken advantage of a loophole and used it to its fullest. If that loophole gets closed, and you are nothing more than a one-trick pony; yea its going to hurt.
Fortunately, adapting doesnt cost one months and months of training. Just build off of your characters strong points.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.21 00:48:00 -
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I think some time ago in the drone skill tree some skills were either done away with or were put together and combined into one skill, i think at that time players who had those skills were given SPs to reassign, but you'll have to ask an older player, its only a story i got second hand from a friend of mine
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.21 00:51:00 -
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Where did they officially say they were nerfing passives? I missed something...
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Power
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.21 01:10:00 -
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With *** abandon.
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.21 01:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Frug
Where did they officially say they were nerfing passives? I missed something...
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.05.21 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vallerie Rosal
The Nerf Bat - How does CCP wield it?
Upside your head, of course.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.21 01:19:00 -
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They wield it like their manhood.
Proudly. 
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Kruel
Save our Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.21 01:51:00 -
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The way the nerfbat swings is directly proportional to the amount of whining on the forums.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.21 02:22:00 -
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it also depends on what race you are, for example amarr took it so hard so long ago there children emerge from the wound nerfed and sideways, caldari on the other hand will probably survive just fine
Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.05.21 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael
it also depends on what race you are, for example amarr took it so hard so long ago there children emerge from the wound nerfed and sideways, caldari on the other hand will probably survive just fine
Where as the gallente spring from the head of the god of pvp fully formed, and ready for combat consoled by the knowledge that domion over eve is their birthright.
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SumDum
AirHawk Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 02:51:00 -
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One man's nerf is another man's fix. There are not enough people actively testing out new content on Singularity to ever be able to realize the full extent of new additions, so things get put onto the live server that were never played with in a test environment.
Do you seriously think that CCP intended the nanophoon? Maybe they did, and they just didn't realize how many people would capitalize on it.
Do you really think CCP intended Empire space to be a battle ground for war dec spamming? Probably not.
Do you think CCP intended ECM to create endless stalemate standoffs? Nope.
Most of these things, (no one saw privateers coming) and many more could easily have been prevented from ever hitting live if more people took part in testing there. That is the real problem, as I see it. Once people get ahold of something, they don't want to give it back and you can't really blame them.
So you get rabble rabble rabble by the people that feel that "X" is overpowered or out of balance. When CCP changes it, you get rabble rabble rabble about the nerfbat being swung.
It happens in every game, but I feel if more people took part in testing most of these things would never make it onto a production server, and the 'nerf-bat' would be lessened.
I think maybe if CCP kept the db's mirrored more frequently, more people might be inclined to go test out new content on that server. But then again, I think most people consider the test server a waste of time, which is sad.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:23:00 -
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They swing it rarely but always with a heavy hand.
So I suggest you just get a "happy go lucky" -attitude and train for what you like, not what is the flavour of the month and have FUN!
I've found it is a lot more fun...
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:31:00 -
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All nerfbats are lefthanded.
"A raven is bad in fleet fights. Therefor a raven must be bad for all other pvp environments, too"
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 21/05/2007 14:53:30
Nerf bats are for balancing.
So if one ship can exploit passive items or mods to make it stronger then any other ship of its class in the game then THAT SHIP will be nerfed NOT the modules.
When it happens all depends on if CCP's actually feals it effects the game in an adverse manner into which they intended it.
Tier 3 BC's just came out so they might get nerfed but then again a T1 BC has the Tank or a BS and the DPS of a Cruiser. T2 only increased those resistances and T3 well what did everyone expect ?
CCP would not increase the DPS that would just make BS's obsolete.
At any rate CCP's got to look at all the aspects and from go from there
Ship nerfs tend to be slower then other things.
And mods
Well considering the traing time required for passive modules on armor it is balanced if they nerf armor then they would be forced to nerf shield mods as well and I just don't see it happening. More likely certain ships might get a nerf but I wouldn't worry about it too soon.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
All nerfbats are lefthanded.
Wrong they are 2 handed
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Mikal Drey
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:54:00 -
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hey hey
The Nerfbat
Tuxford swings wildy in any random direction
Zrakor swings it towards his carebear alt
Keiron swings it at crowds of players
TomB doesnt actually swing it. Theres a Gold Version sitting at his desk
Ovuer used to swing it but due to a office incident got wtfbanzored from holding it
Sharkbait attemps to swing it but everytime he touches it it breaks
Please dont ask what Helmar does with it but Eris blushes when asked
Various members of White Wolf have been invited to swing it but they keep rolling it accross the floor
OFC other people at CCP use the nerfbat but they have one between them and it gets rather dirty and then the Cleaner lady gets to use it
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Svenstaro
Amarr
Breath Of The Dying
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:52:00 -
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The Almighty Nerfbat
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Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Where as the gallente spring from the head of the god of pvp fully formed, and ready for combat consoled by the knowledge that domion over eve is their birthright.
Sig worthy.
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Godar Marak on 21/05/2007 20:07:52
Originally by: Svenstaro
The Almighty Nerfbat
Very nice actually. Kudos.
I have to mention though, Im not sure every nerf is thought through.
You could by paper predict how stacking nerf would gimp amarr, and it took years before the devs FINALLY realised it (in public)
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
Originally by: Frug
Where did they officially say they were nerfing passives? I missed something...
It's inevitable.
there is no doubt that passive bc tank have to be nerfed. since its more effective then active tanking in a bs.
although your dps will be really bad while doing this, its still not fair that most bs's have no chance in hell 1v1 taking your tank down (drake fully passive 553shield rec per sec, lowest resist em 25%(most ships can't even get there dps high enough, and when you get to 25% shield you effectively tank around 600-650dps.) thats not balanced.
well anyway, i just hope they nerf multibel attackers at one targets dps :)
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Majon Tremkor
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
Originally by: Frug
Where did they officially say they were nerfing passives? I missed something...
It's inevitable.
On sisi Battle Cruiser shield recharge has been increased from 1250 base to 1400 (I believe those numbers are correct).
I don't think there has been an official announcement but you can bet that change (or something like it) will go live to TQ.
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:41:00 -
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loled!!
Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
The Nerfbat
Tuxford swings wildy in any random direction
Zrakor swings it towards his carebear alt
Keiron swings it at crowds of players
TomB doesnt actually swing it. Theres a Gold Version sitting at his desk
Ovuer used to swing it but due to a office incident got wtfbanzored from holding it
Sharkbait attemps to swing it but everytime he touches it it breaks
Please dont ask what Helmar does with it but Eris blushes when asked
Various members of White Wolf have been invited to swing it but they keep rolling it accross the floor
OFC other people at CCP use the nerfbat but they have one between them and it gets rather dirty and then the Cleaner lady gets to use it
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Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
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