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Neveren
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:19:00 -
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1 cruiser... yes... 1 Cruiser at 20k off my bow... Had me jammed to where I could not do a thing but sit there.. not to mention the 2 frigs that had my Targeting range to about 5k..
3 T1 ships should not be able to Disable a capital ship to an extent that he cannot defend himself like that.. It was almost sad.. luckily I survived.. but If I got cought in the open like that.. Their is nothing you can do when your jammed and damped by 3 measly T1 ships...
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Jaedar Metron
Artificial Horizons
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:23:00 -
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No problem there. A capital ship is not supposed to be caught alone in the open like that. 
Get some support mate. I firmly believe 1 T1 cruiser and 2 T1 Frigs woulda tipped the favour of the battle to your side, no? 
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:33:00 -
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Yep, get support. luckily you survived? You would have passive tanked them @ about 90%-95 shield. Thats when running a armor tank btw.
Serieusly these carriers are getting used way to much imo, we tried to kill a bs, eris and taranis when suddenly 4 carriers were cynoed in  . My cruiser could warp out in time though, they got nothing, we got nothing. Sounds like you are doing the same thing, only solo than.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:43:00 -
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ok firstly u should be dishing out ur fighters instanly before anyone can even get a lock on you then then auto agress the first thing to agress you. ecm cruisers die rather quick to 13 fighters.
secondly in regards to the title "make carriers harder to jam" well they are. read the dev blogs
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Corwain
Gallente
Zero Team
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:57:00 -
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The beauty of EVE is that stupid people flying expensive ships die to small numbers of smart people flying T1 ships.
The day this changes is the day I leave EVE.
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Oniko Sengir
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:23:00 -
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Learn to 'Their' and 'your' please.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:24:00 -
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And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
But it wasn't designed to be made useless by a pair of T1 frigs either.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior)
I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:01:00 -
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Fit a couple eccms and you won't be jammed any more, carriers have tons of slots...
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:06:00 -
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A shame that you survived 
This game has too many big ships. I would like to see a region where nothing larger than a BC is allowed.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
A shame that you survived
This game has too many big ships. I would like to see a region where nothing larger than a BC is allowed.
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:28:00 -
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This kind of ingores the non-solo situation where one (or both) sides carriers are rendered useless both for attack and defence by the opossing fleets noobs in maulus'.
The fact is Maulus' (well just about anything but Maulu's are the logical choice) can dampen carriers to uselessness on a 1/1 ratio, yes support can take them out but thats a lot of logistical support and firepower kept out of action for quite some time, not to mention the fleet having to concentrate on taking out the low sig radius ships.
Of course if you really wanted to screw over a carrier heavy fleet just fit a damp on each ship. It surprises me that more fleets dont already do so for the obvious tactical benefits even against opposing BS... I must be missing some flaw in that plan but even a double (perhaps even tripple) sensor boosted battleship would have it's lock range reduced below the kind of ranges we see fleets exchaning rounds from with a few damps applied.
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Rulaigh NicMorrigan
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
This kind of ingores the non-solo situation where one (or both) sides carriers are rendered useless both for attack and defence by the opossing fleets noobs in maulus'.
The fact is Maulus' (well just about anything but Maulu's are the logical choice) can dampen carriers to uselessness on a 1/1 ratio, yes support can take them out but thats a lot of logistical support and firepower kept out of action for quite some time, not to mention the fleet having to concentrate on taking out the low sig radius ships.
Of course if you really wanted to screw over a carrier heavy fleet just fit a damp on each ship. It surprises me that more fleets dont already do so for the obvious tactical benefits even against opposing BS... I must be missing some flaw in that plan but even a double (perhaps even tripple) sensor boosted battleship would have it's lock range reduced below the kind of ranges we see fleets exchaning rounds from with a few damps applied.
Any time dampeners or jammers come into a battle and are used efectively on one or both sides, the battle turns into "who can protect the EW better" There's nothing wrong with that, that's just the way it is, unless they're going to nerf EW out of the game completly, which would tick me off to no end. Get an ever loving Rifter out to the Maulus and it's dead in 20 seconds. How hard is that? Carriers. Must. Have. Support.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
This kind of ingores the non-solo situation where one (or both) sides carriers are rendered useless both for attack and defence by the opossing fleets noobs in maulus'.
The fact is Maulus' (well just about anything but Maulu's are the logical choice) can dampen carriers to uselessness on a 1/1 ratio, yes support can take them out but thats a lot of logistical support and firepower kept out of action for quite some time, not to mention the fleet having to concentrate on taking out the low sig radius ships.
Of course if you really wanted to screw over a carrier heavy fleet just fit a damp on each ship. It surprises me that more fleets dont already do so for the obvious tactical benefits even against opposing BS... I must be missing some flaw in that plan but even a double (perhaps even tripple) sensor boosted battleship would have it's lock range reduced below the kind of ranges we see fleets exchaning rounds from with a few damps applied.
Why damps arent used in fleets? Check the stats. Than check the optimal range bonus you get on the specialised damp ships...oh wait
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Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
But it wasn't designed to be made useless by a pair of T1 frigs either.
Why not? In real life an Exocet missile fired from an airplane can sink a nuclear powered aircraft carrier if it gets a lucky shot.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:46:00 -
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stop whining
adapt
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
But it wasn't designed to be made useless by a pair of T1 frigs either.
Why not? In real life an Exocet missile fired from an airplane can sink a nuclear powered aircraft carrier if it gets a lucky shot.
Give carriers in game AEGIS, CIWS, RIM-7s, and SRBOCs as well as a realistic jamming system and we'll talk...
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron
Why not? In real life an Exocet missile fired from an airplane can sink a nuclear powered aircraft carrier if it gets a lucky shot.
Not really.
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CFW (Certified Forum Warrior)
I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
But it wasn't designed to be made useless by a pair of T1 frigs either.
and if you had common sense enough to have support you could have assigned your fighters to friends and those T1 frigs wouldn't matter, however you didn't and almost got what you deserved for thinking carrier was solo pwnmobile "almost"
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.05.22 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
But it wasn't designed to be made useless by a pair of T1 frigs either.
and if you had common sense enough to have support you could have assigned your fighters to friends and those T1 frigs wouldn't matter, however you didn't and almost got what you deserved for thinking carrier was solo pwnmobile "almost"
I wasn't the OP, I do fly with friends, but it is silly because in a larger gang it's impossible to know which of the dozens of ships you're engaging is damping you. Thus your buddies don't know who to kill and your frontline usefulness is nil. Thankfully Triage will fix the frontline uselessness, but at the expense of our damage usefulness. Immunity to damps, massively increased targeting speed and range, way better tank, but we lose all our DPS 
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Valandril
Caldari
Reiketsu.
Hitchhiker's Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
But it wasn't designed to be made useless by a pair of T1 frigs either.
and if you had common sense enough to have support you could have assigned your fighters to friends and those T1 frigs wouldn't matter, however you didn't and almost got what you deserved for thinking carrier was solo pwnmobile "almost"
I wasn't the OP, I do fly with friends, but it is silly because in a larger gang it's impossible to know which of the dozens of ships you're engaging is damping you. Thus your buddies don't know who to kill and your frontline usefulness is nil. Thankfully Triage will fix the frontline uselessness, but at the expense of our damage usefulness. Immunity to damps, massively increased targeting speed and range, way better tank, but we lose all our DPS
U mean whole 1500dps with good skilled thanatos ?
I can get that with my domi...
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.22 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
And I quote.
"The Carrier was never ment to be a solowtfpwnmobile."
But it wasn't designed to be made useless by a pair of T1 frigs either.
and if you had common sense enough to have support you could have assigned your fighters to friends and those T1 frigs wouldn't matter, however you didn't and almost got what you deserved for thinking carrier was solo pwnmobile "almost"
He should just park his carrier in a POS. The only reason to have a carrier on grid in a gang is to support your allies, a single damper ship can bring the targeting range of a carrier down to practically 0 - even in triage. Triage mode is just "park and wait to die mode" - without EWAR immunity you'll be jammed and dampened, meaning that you can't target your buddies to repair them.
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Cyan Gadarin
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.22 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron
Why not? In real life an Exocet missile fired from an airplane can sink a nuclear powered aircraft carrier if it gets a lucky shot.
Not really.
Linkage
Carriers use RAM, don't they?
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.05.22 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Triage mode is just "park and wait to die mode" - without EWAR immunity you'll be jammed and dampened, meaning that you can't target your buddies to repair them.
A birdy on the test server told me that Triage would get similar/same Ewar immunity as dreads siege mode. Not sure if it's final though.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior)
I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:19:00 -
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Umm one gall cruiser could screw you over more. 3-4 damps + 1-2 warp jamms, then pelt you with drones but if you are a tanth of a brian you can use use t1 and t2 and have a dual running cap rep will will take in alot of fire power. Also if one started to attack why didn't ya launch fighters?
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:12:00 -
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um...
smartbombs?
duh?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
He should just park his carrier in a POS. The only reason to have a carrier on grid in a gang is to support your allies, a single damper ship can bring the targeting range of a carrier down to practically 0 - even in triage.
Not really. A ship with 4 damps and max ship & skillboni will bring a thanatos with 2 sensorboosters and triage down to 30k. Which is just fine for assisiting gangmats and fighters can be delegated if needed.
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Valandril
Caldari
Reiketsu.
Hitchhiker's Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
um...
smartbombs?
duh?
Which part u didnt understand ? Smartbomb take care of drones and ships that get too close :]
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Rigsta
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rigsta on 22/05/2007 16:16:27
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
it's impossible to know which of the dozens of ships you're engaging is damping you.
A bar saying "Miscellaneus [Player Name]"(sp) should appear above your HP bars when you're being sensor dampened. It will state ECM if they're using ECM, misc for anything else.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:27:00 -
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Carriers are 'measely T1 ships'.
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