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Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:30:00 - [1] I am helping to run a highsec research alliance that has POSÆs all over empire and we have got LOTS of open slots. Does anyone know if they will ever fix the POS bug that even though you set it to ôpublicö use it is still restricted to alliance only? It would be nice to be able to allow anyone to use the slots instead of having them join the alliance. JK Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:31:00 - [2] I think they're just trying to make life hard/fun for you and others with POS labs Khaldari KPA Recruiting
Dr Karindol	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Dr Karindol on 21/05/2007 20:31:41 It will never happen any time soon, I am afraid. NPC stations never go offline, or disappear. POSs go offline, and disappear. 1. Imagine that you do research your BPO using someone else's pos, and they can go offline or disappear (Of course you have scientific networking skill so you BPO is safe, at least). Now you just wasted isk and time. Currently Bpo research takes a long time and if interupted before it is finished, say, pos goes offline, you just end up bpo with original status.. wasting a lot of time and isk.(You know there is not half way researched bpo. It's either finished or not. And CCP cannot intervene POSs and it will take alot of work to change current mechanism. 2. Somone put his bpo in your pos lab slot and take a long long vacation (This happens). Then what? Can you finish the research for him? (We are talking about public slots here) This is why we don't have Public POS slots.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:36:00 - [4] I can think of reasonably simple ways to fix all those problems. It can't hurt to file a bug report about it. The option is there, it doesn't work right, it's a bug so file it. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Dr Karindol Edited by: Dr Karindol on 21/05/2007 20:31:41 It will never happen any time soon, I am afraid. NPC stations never go offline, or disappear. POSs go offline, and disappear. 1. Imagine that you do research your BPO using someone else's pos, and they can go offline or disappear (Of course you have scientific networking skill so you BPO is safe, at least). Now you just wasted isk and time. Currently Bpo research takes a long time and if interupted before it is finished, say, pos goes offline, you just end up bpo with original status.. wasting a lot of time and isk.(You know there is not half way researched bpo. It's either finished or not. And CCP cannot intervene POSs and it will take alot of work to change current mechanism. 2. Somone put his bpo in your pos lab slot and take a long long vacation (This happens). Then what? Can you finish the research for him? (We are talking about public slots here) This is why we don't have Public POS slots. Use the slots at your own risk ;p I say they open them up. It allows for an entirely new market, an actual service. But just like neutrals being taken off the overview, I'm sure the way the game mechanics work now they can't just flip a switch and they'll all go public. ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Katril Wolf	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:35:00 - [6] Well people will learn which labs are reliable, and which aren't. But CCP needs to finish promised functionality.
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.22 14:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Frug I can think of reasonably simple ways to fix all those problems. It can't hurt to file a bug report about it. The option is there, it doesn't work right, it's a bug so file it. i wish there was an actual way to see what problems have been bug reported, i dont like bug reporting the same exact thing that has been bug reported 50 times before. "known issues" page is a joke. Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.05.22 14:59:00 - [8] You might find that a truely public system would give "griefers" and "evil doers with links to al-qaeda" an easy way to find hi sec POS corps to ransom and wardec, and a bullseye pinpoint on where the POS is located. So yeah, they should implement that with all due haste. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Alvara Kuiper Belt Industries Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Gaven Blands You might find that a truely public system would give "griefers" and "evil doers with links to al-qaeda" an easy way to find hi sec POS corps to ransom and wardec, and a bullseye pinpoint on where the POS is located. So yeah, they should implement that with all due haste. Empire POS's are very common. If every POS in empire could set some labs up in spare space to help pay for fuel. Then I don't think this will be a problem. Highsec POS lab management outsourcing
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Alvara Originally by: Gaven Blands You might find that a truely public system would give "griefers" and "evil doers with links to al-qaeda" an easy way to find hi sec POS corps to ransom and wardec, and a bullseye pinpoint on where the POS is located. So yeah, they should implement that with all due haste. Empire POS's are very common. If every POS in empire could set some labs up in spare space to help pay for fuel. Then I don't think this will be a problem. i agree with the fact that it would tell you what system it was in but that would be it. the lab selector using POS labs dosent tell you what moon its at and you cannot warp to it. and currently POS's are protected by concord (unless the POS shoots them first, and that is currently easy to avoid) but even if they did know where it was, they still probably dont want to shoot every single hauler that comes through as it would be a major loss to blow up haulers and get killed by concord for no reward. and even if you did wardec the corp that has teh POS, they can have a hauler alt haul the fuel, and your stuck dealing with concord. the reward for a public usable lab system far outweighs the risk involved IMO Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Alvara Empire POS's are very common. If every POS in empire could set some labs up in spare space to help pay for fuel. Then I don't think this will be a problem. Yes they are very common. But if you wardec somebody, or intend to. You try finding there POS. Even if you know they have one, you're not so likely to find it without going to great lengths. Can't they add it to locator agents at all? Eve: Cheats prosper.
mogwai Gallente Gremlin Industries	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:43:00 - [12] the npc lab slots are an 'isk sink' ingame.... you really think CCP is going to fix the renting out of POS lab slots anytime soon ----------------- Drones : 19 skills, 20,480,000 points
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.22 19:05:00 - [13] Originally by: mogwai the npc lab slots are an 'isk sink' ingame.... you really think CCP is going to fix the renting out of POS lab slots anytime soon the amount pulled out is fixed, they are all full. so the "isk sink" is full, now its time for profit. yes, i do think they will fix it, after there internal problems get sorted out and POS's get fixed Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.22 19:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Gaven Blands Originally by: Alvara Empire POS's are very common. If every POS in empire could set some labs up in spare space to help pay for fuel. Then I don't think this will be a problem. Yes they are very common. But if you wardec somebody, or intend to. You try finding there POS. Even if you know they have one, you're not so likely to find it without going to great lengths. Can't they add it to locator agents at all? and you still wont be any more likely to find them. the only way to figure it out is to install a job in all the POS's in the system (and while there arent manny now all the moons will be full if this is allowed) and then you can cross reference the corporation paid out to and find out if they are a war target. it will end up costing you the same or more than a locator agent and you wont get the answer you are looking for more than likely. Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Laurel Wolf	Posted - 2007.05.23 19:58:00 - [15] All it would take is CCP finishing/fixing a non-working feature. And it will be the market that decides how many lab slots there are.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Dr Karindol Edited by: Dr Karindol on 21/05/2007 20:31:41 It will never happen any time soon, I am afraid. NPC stations never go offline, or disappear. POSs go offline, and disappear. 1. Imagine that you do research your BPO using someone else's pos, and they can go offline or disappear (Of course you have scientific networking skill so you BPO is safe, at least). Now you just wasted isk and time. Currently Bpo research takes a long time and if interupted before it is finished, say, pos goes offline, you just end up bpo with original status.. wasting a lot of time and isk.(You know there is not half way researched bpo. It's either finished or not. And CCP cannot intervene POSs and it will take alot of work to change current mechanism. 2. Somone put his bpo in your pos lab slot and take a long long vacation (This happens). Then what? Can you finish the research for him? (We are talking about public slots here) This is why we don't have Public POS slots. then there should be a way to fuel the POS in advance and so anyone that wants to put research in it cant put it anymore than that fuel time also as the owner you would not be able to offline the pos or any used part of it until the research is done then if someone wants to just screw over a bunch of people - then even if a character is deleted the pos would still work until the jobs are done sounds like everything is solved ! ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Gaven Blands You might find that a truely public system would give "griefers" and "evil doers with links to al-qaeda" an easy way to find hi sec POS corps to ransom and wardec, and a bullseye pinpoint on where the POS is located. So yeah, they should implement that with all due haste. now that i think it over, making it very easy for everyone to go about researching would just make everyone have perfectly researched bpos very fast and very easily as it is now - you either sacrifice an alt and make a corp and join an alliance - or you deal with the wait times (wich are 10-15 days if you look in the right places - wich is not that long if you consider that it is cheaper than a research slot service - and a lot cheaper if you do not plan doing a lot of research) anyways - as the population and age of the game increases there should be enough old players being able to sell off their small bpos that they do not need anymore or have researched extra ones just to sell and this in turn would leave less research needed by the younger players ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Alvara Kuiper Belt Industries Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.23 23:04:00 - [18] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Gaven Blands You might find that a truely public system would give "griefers" and "evil doers with links to al-qaeda" an easy way to find hi sec POS corps to ransom and wardec, and a bullseye pinpoint on where the POS is located. So yeah, they should implement that with all due haste. now that i think it over, making it very easy for everyone to go about researching would just make everyone have perfectly researched bpos very fast and very easily as it is now - you either sacrifice an alt and make a corp and join an alliance - or you deal with the wait times (wich are 10-15 days if you look in the right places - wich is not that long if you consider that it is cheaper than a research slot service - and a lot cheaper if you do not plan doing a lot of research) anyways - as the population and age of the game increases there should be enough old players being able to sell off their small bpos that they do not need anymore or have researched extra ones just to sell and this in turn would leave less research needed by the younger players To easy is it? To fast? To expensive? You consider a 2 week wait to get a slot for 2 days to research up a ammo bpo to a decent ME level is ok? Let competition bring the price down on POS lab slots. The "Empire Research" alliance is not just letting alt corps in, they are letting in industrial and npcer corps too. Most old players don't sell off unused BPO's. they just sit around in a hangar somewhere. Highsec POS lab management outsourcing
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.23 23:30:00 - [19] Edited by: SiJira on 23/05/2007 23:30:05 Originally by: Alvara Originally by: SiJira To easy is it? To fast? To expensive? You consider a 2 week wait to get a slot for 2 days to research up a ammo bpo to a decent ME level is ok? i said it - would - make it too easily the hell you cant read or something ? Quote: Let competition bring the price down on POS lab slots. the prices are not high on pos lab slots, actually unless you go above me 30 they are very cheap Quote: The "Empire Research" alliance who said there is only one alliance that allows research ? Quote: is not just letting alt corps in, they are letting in industrial and npcer corps too. whats wrong with letting in industrial and npcer corps? seriously did you even read my post ? if you are already in an alliance you obviously have to make an alt corp - duh ? please think things through before you write next time because your post makes me very frustrated Quote: Most old players don't sell off unused BPO's. they just sit around in a hangar somewhere. thats what you think - check out contracts in the busier systems sometime ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Slate Fistcrunch Direct Intent Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.05.23 23:43:00 - [20] CCP could fix this without too much trouble. Make it so that you can designate your tower a "public research pos." You then fill it with the fuel required for 30 (or more) days of online time. This fuel is immediately consumed and the tower is given an "online for" timer of 30 days. The tower then cannot be taken offline during this time. Now you can designate the labs to be used for public use. When someone goes to see what public slots are free, they see that you have a tower ME slot available, that the tower is guaranteed to remain online for 30 days (which is the max run time for research jobs), the price for the ME slot, etc. As long as the hi sec towers remain protected by concord there is nothing that could disrupt this plan. They would also have to fix it so that all materials can be be place in the station rather than in the lab for copy / invention / other jobs as well. I do not see how not having to ferry the data sheets, etc. out to tower would imbalance the game that much.
Alvara Kuiper Belt Industries Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.24 00:06:00 - [21] Laugh, I apologize, I only put a little attention into these posts while at work. Quote: Quote: The "Empire Research" alliance who said there is only one alliance that allows research ? Simple look up "Empire Research". I am in charge of it, so I was mentioning my alliance. Quote: Quote: The "Empire Research" alliance is not just letting alt corps in, they are letting in industrial and npcer corps too. whats wrong with letting in industrial and npcer corps? seriously did you even read my post ? if you are already in an alliance you obviously have to make an alt corp - duh ? please think things through before you write next time because your post makes me very frustrated Re-translate my terrible sentence. I said that we DO let in non-alt corps. We have numerous active corps in alliance. Highsec POS lab management outsourcing
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.24 00:33:00 - [22] Ok, before I rip into the little 2 month old alt I would like to say that this was not meant to be a flame fest, and please learn the English language before posting. Quote: Quote: To easy is it? To fast? To expensive? You consider a 2 week wait to get a slot for 2 days to research up a ammo bpo to a decent ME level is ok? i said it - would - make it too easily the hell you cant read or something ? ôwouldö make it to easy you donÆt know, as you havenÆt seen it happen. If they make POSÆs valid war targets and turn research into a player controlled market then who knows what would happen, I donÆt and honestly neither do you. Quote: Quote: Let competition bring the price down on POS lab slots. the prices are not high on pos lab slots, actually unless you go above me 30 they are very cheap And prices are high on POS slots, at an NPC station in this region IÆm in it is 13 isk per hour (probably a bug) or one of the multiple others for about 200 isk per hour. Figuring that an NPC station (if you can get into it) is 200 per hour, and POS is 20,000 per hour you have a factor of 100 Bull** they arenÆt expensive. But they are rare, and therefore its supply and demand driven. They wont go much lower because of fuel costs, but they are expensive. Quote: Quote: The "Empire Research" alliance who said there is only one alliance that allows research ? ôEmpire researchö referees to the alliance ôempire researchö we are unable to comment on other research alliances at this time. Quote: Quote: is not just letting alt corps in, they are letting in industrial and npcer corps too. whats wrong with letting in industrial and npcer corps? seriously did you even read my post ? if you are already in an alliance you obviously have to make an alt corp - duh ? please think things through before you write next time because your post makes me very frustrated And you donÆt have to make an alt corp to get into an alliance, in fact most alliances wonÆt let in alt corps, did you even read the advertisement for the alliance you are referring to? Quote: Quote:** Most old players don't sell off unused BPO's. they just sit around in a hangar somewhere. thats what you think - check out contracts in the busier systems sometime As an older player (yes there are older, but IÆm WAY older than your 2 month old alt) I know that BPOÆs just tend to pile up. True some people sell them off, but most of the contracts are people who purchased them with the intent to sell them researched. Please think things through before saying anything, you look like an idiot. Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.24 00:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Slate Fistcrunch CCP could fix this without too much trouble. Make it so that you can designate your tower a "public research pos." You then fill it with the fuel required for 30 (or more) days of online time. This fuel is immediately consumed and the tower is given an "online for" timer of 30 days. The tower then cannot be taken offline during this time. Now you can designate the labs to be used for public use. When someone goes to see what public slots are free, they see that you have a tower ME slot available, that the tower is guaranteed to remain online for 30 days (which is the max run time for research jobs), the price for the ME slot, etc. As long as the hi sec towers remain protected by concord there is nothing that could disrupt this plan. They would also have to fix it so that all materials can be be place in the station rather than in the lab for copy / invention / other jobs as well. I do not see how not having to ferry the data sheets, etc. out to tower would imbalance the game that much. the only problem with this is that they only allow about a week worth of fuel, I think this is a great idea if they woudl allow more fuel into it. Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.24 02:00:00 - [24] theres a bit of inbalance but make a big enough of a discussion CCP shall fix it Its called the whine, discuss, create scene, nerf or buff technique
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.24 02:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Callthetruth theres a bit of inbalance but make a big enough of a discussion CCP shall fix it Its called the whine, discuss, create scene, nerf or buff technique LOL i know thats true, the GM's are already tired of moving around BPC's :) Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.24 06:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Alvara Laugh, I apologize, I only put a little attention into these posts while at work. i apologize as well to you Quote: Re-translate my terrible sentence. I said that we DO let in non-alt corps. We have numerous active corps in alliance. thats a good thing - makes it really easy to do research ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.24 06:58:00 - [27] Edited by: SiJira on 24/05/2007 06:58:11 Originally by: Jesters Knight Ok, before I rip into the little 2 month old alt dont call me an alt Quote: ôwouldö make it to easy you donÆt know, as you havenÆt seen it happen. i know it would make it too easy because its easy enough as it is Quote: If they make POSÆs valid war targets and turn research into a player controlled market then who knows what would happen, I donÆt and honestly neither do you. i dont think they should ever make them war targets - its hard enough to secure them in high sec space as it is Quote: And prices are high on POS slots, at an NPC station in this region IÆm in it is 13 isk per hour (probably a bug) or one of the multiple others for about 200 isk per hour. 200 isk per hour ? most I see are over 800 isk per hour Quote: Figuring that an NPC station (if you can get into it) is 200 per hour, and POS is 20,000 per hour you have a factor of 100 i wont give any names but there are very readily available pos research slots for 3/5 of that price - wich is amazing considering no wait time and the profits one makes for a well researched blueprint - its 0.75 time after all - that can pretty much be considered to make the price only about 10x as much per hour but really its much better since its not cheaper but simply much faster Quote: Bull** they arenÆt expensive. But they are rare, and therefore its supply and demand driven. They wont go much lower because of fuel costs, but they are expensive. i dont consider them expensive for their benefits waiting 2 weeks for npc ones isnt exactly horrible since anything that needs to be put in for longer than 30 days would probably also mean you can afford using a pos Quote: ôEmpire researchö referees to the alliance ôempire researchö we are unable to comment on other research alliances at this time. if this is what you called me an idiot over then you might need to look at yourself - i never considered empire research to mean anything other than your alliance name and have no clue where you would get an idea implying otherwise Quote: And you donÆt have to make an alt corp to get into an alliance, in fact most alliances wonÆt let in alt corps, did you even read the advertisement for the alliance you are referring to? once again i am not referring to any particular alliance - a good pos service will allow research alts - research alt corps into their alliance Quote: As an older player (yes there are older, but IÆm WAY older than your 2 month old alt) i would appreciate it if you stopped insulting me Quote: I know that BPOÆs just tend to pile up. True some people sell them off, but most of the contracts are people who purchased them with the intent to sell them researched. that is good - as the age of the game increases more people will be able to do this and allow more access to researched bpos for newbs - besides - bpcs never killed anyone Quote:** Please think things through before saying anything, you look like an idiot. i already apologized to alvara - his honour is tainted by affiliation with one such as yourself though ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Battle Droid	Posted - 2007.05.24 07:24:00 - [28] Edited by: Battle Droid on 24/05/2007 07:22:44 Originally by: SiJira babling FIRST.. .. o wait thats your kind of post .. nvm
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.24 07:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Battle Droid Edited by: Battle Droid on 24/05/2007 07:22:44 Originally by: SiJira babling FIRST.. .. o wait thats your kind of post .. nvm you are lame and spamming this thread ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.24 09:31:00 - [30] more ME slots and more PE slots, more manufacturing slots also

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