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bldyannoyed Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.22 07:22:00 - [1] Before i start i just wanna say that i dont actually fly these things at the moment. I have all the skills more or less maxed, but would rather fly a Brute/cyclone/hurricane, just abot any other ship in the game basically. I reckon the Myrmidons rep bonues should be droped in favor of a hybrid damage bonus, the same way a Domis bonuses are laid out. Seems to me atm that everyone hates myrmidons, except those that fly them obviously, because of their drones/nos/uber tank blah blah overpoweredness. Now whether you think Myrmidons are overpowered or not is irrelevant, i still think the bonus should be changed. As it stands, atm there is pretty much only one way to fit a Myrm. Nos. Some people put projectiles or blasters or small guns on, but there is no getting away from the fact that in todays Eve, without a ship based gun damage bonus on a drone ship, fitting anything other than nos is simply a waste of time. I dont think that many people will argue that another nos/neut is gonna be more effective on a myrmi than an unmodded 425 AC. And its this same nos/drone setup that the ship bonuses more or less compell you to fit that people really REALLY hate. Now, i appreciate that the Domi has the damage bonus and people still fly it in Nos mode, but thats partly because its got awfull grid, but mostly i think because people are unimaginitive. I fly a domi with blasters, and i dont fly Myrmis at all cos yout wasting your time fitting anything other than nos, iand i hate nos drone setups. A Myrmi with a damage bonus has so many possibilities, and to all the people who would then still insist on fitting nothing but nos it would be a straight nerf, and serves them right too. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 07:33:00 - [2] I fly blaster myrmi, it deal pretty evil dps and i think that dmg bonus on it would be more than a bit too powerfull ^^ --- Cheap paint ftw
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.22 08:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Krulla on 22/05/2007 08:22:47 Originally by: Valandril I fly blaster myrmi, it deal pretty evil dps and i think that dmg bonus on it would be more than a bit too powerfull ^^ Yep. The thing is, most people don't realize that a cap-injected, blaster setup Myrmidon is just pure evil. It will beat a nosferatu myrmi every time. Although people tend to go "pfft, no damage bonus? I'll fit autocannons!" this is a huge mistake... blasters do the greatest amount of damage of any turret, and you'll be wanting to be within web range anyway. A blaster Myrmidon does 3/4th of the blaster DPS of a Brutix, but with 5 heavy drones added on top... Also, don't touch the armour repairer bonus. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
RabidOne Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.22 09:34:00 - [4] This ship is so much fun because with 125m of drones, balanced slots, and no damage bonus- you can pretty much do whatever you want with it. Leave its bonuses alone, but it could use a different sort of nerf.
TOPSTER Twilight Void	Posted - 2007.05.22 09:56:00 - [5] Blasters on my myrm with cap injector. Does lots of damage, and can usually break the others tank since i got max skills. _______________ MK2
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:19:00 - [6] Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 22/05/2007 10:17:34 Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 22/05/2007 08:22:47 Originally by: Valandril I fly blaster myrmi, it deal pretty evil dps and i think that dmg bonus on it would be more than a bit too powerfull ^^ Yep. The thing is, most people don't realize that a cap-injected, blaster setup Myrmidon is just pure evil. It will beat a nosferatu myrmi every time. Although people tend to go "pfft, no damage bonus? I'll fit autocannons!" this is a huge mistake... blasters do the greatest amount of damage of any turret, and you'll be wanting to be within web range anyway. A blaster Myrmidon does 3/4th of the blaster DPS of a Brutix, but with 5 heavy drones added on top... Also, don't touch the armour repairer bonus. true that blasters do more dps then autocannons, but dont forget that autocannons use no cap, has better range and use a lot less pg so u can have a even better tank
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 14:51:00 - [7] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 22/05/2007 10:17:34 Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 22/05/2007 08:22:47 Originally by: Valandril I fly blaster myrmi, it deal pretty evil dps and i think that dmg bonus on it would be more than a bit too powerfull ^^ Yep. The thing is, most people don't realize that a cap-injected, blaster setup Myrmidon is just pure evil. It will beat a nosferatu myrmi every time. Although people tend to go "pfft, no damage bonus? I'll fit autocannons!" this is a huge mistake... blasters do the greatest amount of damage of any turret, and you'll be wanting to be within web range anyway. A blaster Myrmidon does 3/4th of the blaster DPS of a Brutix, but with 5 heavy drones added on top... Also, don't touch the armour repairer bonus. true that blasters do more dps then autocannons, but dont forget that autocannons use no cap, has better range and use a lot less pg so u can have a even better tank I don't have any with issue fitting 6xblasters, 2xmed inje, mwd and dual t2 tank so pg/cpu is not a issue ^^ --- Cheap paint ftw
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.05.22 15:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Krulla It will beat a nosferatu myrmi every time. I spanked a tech2 blaster myrm with my nos/damp myrm. Who knows though... maybe the dude ran outta cap boosters before the fight. I was kinda surprised.
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 15:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Krulla It will beat a nosferatu myrmi every time. I spanked a tech2 blaster myrm with my nos/damp myrm. Who knows though... maybe the dude ran outta cap boosters before the fight. I was kinda surprised. It was sucky myrmi, before u will suck him dry, u will be dead because even full t2 setup wont tank it. --- Cheap paint ftw
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.05.22 15:20:00 - [10] All drone damage +10%/lvl -> Medium drone damage +10%/lvl
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.22 16:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: ArmyOfMe Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 22/05/2007 10:17:34 Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 22/05/2007 08:22:47 Originally by: Valandril I fly blaster myrmi, it deal pretty evil dps and i think that dmg bonus on it would be more than a bit too powerfull ^^ Yep. The thing is, most people don't realize that a cap-injected, blaster setup Myrmidon is just pure evil. It will beat a nosferatu myrmi every time. Although people tend to go "pfft, no damage bonus? I'll fit autocannons!" this is a huge mistake... blasters do the greatest amount of damage of any turret, and you'll be wanting to be within web range anyway. A blaster Myrmidon does 3/4th of the blaster DPS of a Brutix, but with 5 heavy drones added on top... Also, don't touch the armour repairer bonus. true that blasters do more dps then autocannons, but dont forget that autocannons use no cap, has better range and use a lot less pg so u can have a even better tank I don't have any with issue fitting 6xblasters, 2xmed inje, mwd and dual t2 tank so pg/cpu is not a issue ^^ Do you mind posting your fit? I have 4 Anode Ions 2 Anode Electrons MWD scram web Med. Inject. w/ 800's 2 Med Reppers 2 EANM's 1 Explosive Hardener 1 DCU With this setup, I have 8 PG left. What do you sacrifice to get another 150 pg for the second injector? My PG is just a smidgeon over 1400, with engineering 4. SO another 5% (for Eng. 5) isnt going to get me there. Please let me know. Any opinions about sacrificing the Ogres for armor rep drones? Thanks in advance
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.22 16:15:00 - [12] Originally by: AegriSomnia Originally by: Valandril Originally by: ArmyOfMe Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 22/05/2007 10:17:34 Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 22/05/2007 08:22:47 Originally by: Valandril I fly blaster myrmi, it deal pretty evil dps and i think that dmg bonus on it would be more than a bit too powerfull ^^ Yep. The thing is, most people don't realize that a cap-injected, blaster setup Myrmidon is just pure evil. It will beat a nosferatu myrmi every time. Although people tend to go "pfft, no damage bonus? I'll fit autocannons!" this is a huge mistake... blasters do the greatest amount of damage of any turret, and you'll be wanting to be within web range anyway. A blaster Myrmidon does 3/4th of the blaster DPS of a Brutix, but with 5 heavy drones added on top... Also, don't touch the armour repairer bonus. true that blasters do more dps then autocannons, but dont forget that autocannons use no cap, has better range and use a lot less pg so u can have a even better tank I don't have any with issue fitting 6xblasters, 2xmed inje, mwd and dual t2 tank so pg/cpu is not a issue ^^ Do you mind posting your fit? I have 4 Anode Ions 2 Anode Electrons MWD scram web Med. Inject. w/ 800's 2 Med Reppers 2 EANM's 1 Explosive Hardener 1 DCU With this setup, I have 8 PG left. What do you sacrifice to get another 150 pg for the second injector? My PG is just a smidgeon over 1400, with engineering 4. SO another 5% (for Eng. 5) isnt going to get me there. Please let me know. Any opinions about sacrificing the Ogres for armor rep drones? Or alternate Drone configs? I can use T2 light/Med. drones, T1 heavies. Right now I fly 5 Ogre I. Thanks in advance
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 16:35:00 - [13] Sure Valandrils myrmidon of d00m Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Medium Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] Patterned Stasis Web I J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II N-Type Kinetic Hardener I Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II 4491 shield, 11.23/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/29/47/64 5860 armor, E/T/K/Ex=65/75/72/65 2531.25 cap, +11.03/s, -65.411/s 1038.0 m/s 703.8 DPS --- Cheap paint ftw
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.05.22 17:00:00 - [14] I had a 750dps light neutron II Myrmidon once. With the extra grid you can fit a couple hybrid rigs pretty easily. Plus it frees up grid for a 1600mm plate. Then I accidentally scrambled a station in hi-sec with it. Forgetting about an active mod ftl.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.22 17:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Kruel Then I accidentally scrambled a station in hi-sec with it. Forgetting about an active mod ftl. LOL!! You're not going anywhere, STATION!!!!
Arcord	Posted - 2007.05.22 17:29:00 - [16] There is no way you could do 700 DPS on a Myrmi...
tyanid	Posted - 2007.05.22 17:42:00 - [17] What about changing the damage bonus and stock drone bay?, I was thinking something like, 75m¦ and 20m¦ per BC level, leaving other stats unchanged. You loose damage but get drone replacements or other drone configs, bringing the damage more inline with other BCs.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.22 17:49:00 - [18] Edited by: AegriSomnia on 22/05/2007 17:48:00 Originally by: Arcord There is no way you could do 700 DPS on a Myrmi... Oh yes there is. T2 Ogres can do over half of that. Around 450 DPS last time I checked. Then with T2 blasters, FUGHETTABOUTIT. Originally by: tyanid What about changing the damage bonus and stock drone bay?, I was thinking something like, 75m¦ and 20m¦ per BC level, leaving other stats unchanged. You loose damage but get drone replacements or other drone configs, bringing the damage more inline with other BCs. In a word, NO.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:00:00 - [19] Are you on ***? The only reason we have to fit nos is because armor reps take so much cap that fitting guns AND armor tanking is so cap intensive (because we use hybrids) that its near impossible without injectors and ratting. And frankly, I feel like spending money on "injectors" just to tank thank you very much. The point of ratting is to earn money, not to rat and spend all the money you just earned ratting on injectors. They are already in the mode of doing the Nos nerf, which will affect the domi and the myrm. Frankly, nos myrm's are for PvE and some pvp, and blastermyrm's are pvp awesomeness. Just because people *** doesn't mean CCP will change what its doing. The only people they really pay attention to with respect to problems are actual thought out reasons behind things that occur on test server that CCP can then duplicate. And they all post on the dev forum, not here. If you don't like it quit or do what some people do and become a tester and post your comments to the devs forum. But, the "omg is op" isn't going to help you. and your "omg I hate nos, so plz nerf" won't work either. And again, you don't fly em, so don't talk.
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Arcord There is no way you could do 700 DPS on a Myrmi... Look at setup i posted, 703 dps . --- Cheap paint ftw
Lady Temp	Posted - 2007.05.22 19:38:00 - [21] Highs: 6x Ion II's (Null M) Mids: 1x AB 1x Web 1x 20km Scram 1x Med Cap Booster (800s) 1x Sensor Damp II Lows: 2x MAR II's 2x EANM II's 1x Armor Expl. Hardener II 1x Damage Control II

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