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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:37:00 -
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well lately i've come accross a gang of 4 fairly newish players that are about 4 months old using our local 0.0. As with most things the blues in the area just cant be bothered so i thought what the hell i'll have a go at one when the others arent around. Ended up with the other 3 jumping into system and killing my mega (it wasnt the best setup i must admit) =/ so any suggestions on a ship that could take them out solo? --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
smallgreenblur
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:50:00 -
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If they are 4 months old just go with a good old-fashioned blaster/tank setup and try to kill the first one before the other 3 arrive. You might need one other person but tbh that age chars shouldn't be hurting you in battleships...
sgb
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Xtreem
Gallente Space Chickz
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:51:00 -
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if thee using seige and are that new you could prob get away with a hac, as there damage would be tankable in a cruiser with good skills / mods.. other than that use a carrier as even 4 n00b cruise/torp ravens would pump out some heavy dps on a bs
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bldyannoyed
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:55:00 -
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The beauty of Eve is that regardless of age new players can overpower older ones.
4 Ravens vs your solo bs is never going to go very well for you. Even if theyre just noob skilled ratting setups, 4 ravens worth of torp/cruie spam is gona bust you up real fast.
If you catch one on their own your best bet is a full gank neutrathron. Even a skilled raven pilot will have trouble with that. But once all his mates are there you are basically boned.
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:56:00 -
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I can't see them doing more than about 300-400 dps each, can you? Pulling numbers out of the air, you should be able to tank 2 of them indefinately in a very good mega or a half-decent hyperion. Just a matter of catching one on his own and wtfpwning him in about 10 seconds (not too hard in a blasterboat) before his mates come in.
I would still bring a mate tho. 2 skilled blasterboats with remote rep drones to support each other would easily take those 4 on.
sgb
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JoCool
Caldari kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.24 10:58:00 -
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Just like against 4 Megathrons with 4 months old pilots. Try to evade their damage.
Or get 4 Nosses, good recharge and a great tank and stick to one at a time like a bulldog while the others pound you. Their capacitors might be lacking as they're prob running poor modules on poor skills.
Much respect to them for going 0.0 pvp after 4 months.. in battleships. Much fun to both parties ;) _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool |
Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:03:00 -
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thanks for all the help so far, yea i think it is a good part of the game where old characters can be overpowered by new ones. The thing is i think they are partially fitted pvp ravens so they have scrams but i think they are primarily setup for ratting. I've been told that a hyperion could probably be a good choice. Yea it makes a change to old players in 0.0 and i've been told they've done quite well in terms of staying alive in 0.0 --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:06:00 -
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Are they:
a) in npc corps? b) 5.0 sec status? c) talking in local?
I've seen similar setups with farmers, and seen people die to them, even.
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Jenny's Boy
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:07:00 -
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A Vagabond/Deimos/Zealot/Ishtar/Beagle would be perfect for this. You'd take 1/4 damage from their torps, you're nimble, and you'll lock faster than them.
--- Marq's sneaky alt!
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni Are they:
a) in npc corps? b) 5.0 sec status? c) talking in local?
I've seen similar setups with farmers, and seen people die to them, even.
a) yep b) yep c) no
yea they are farmers it seems --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny's Boy A Vagabond/Deimos/Zealot/Ishtar/Beagle would be perfect for this. You'd take 1/4 damage from their torps, you're nimble, and you'll lock faster than them.
i cant use any of these yet can only use caldari hacs currently but yea they would be good for this --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
Fogy
Caldari Warspite Developments Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:25:00 -
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what region is this in? or what dmg are the ratts doing there?
they might be overall tanked, or do only 1 damage type.. try figuring this out, then go for them with best suitable damage, and tank.
unless theyr doing mix damage and have a overall tank..
btw did they scramble you? find it wierd that they fitt scrams on theyr npc hunting ravens..
atleest its worth a shott! :)
Cheers! Fogy I nerfed my siggie.. :( "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Pontifex Tellanius
S-44 Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zoran
Originally by: Jenny's Boy A Vagabond/Deimos/Zealot/Ishtar/Beagle would be perfect for this. You'd take 1/4 damage from their torps, you're nimble, and you'll lock faster than them.
i cant use any of these yet can only use caldari hacs currently but yea they would be good for this
AFAIK Beagle refers to the caldari Eagle fitted with blasters.
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Varrakk
Chosen Path FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:30:00 -
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Try a commandship.
Of plan b, my favorite. A Hyperion...you can easily tank 4 ravens in it.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:34:00 -
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farmer bots with cloaks ftl
TEMPTATION INC. Killboard |
no1knowsWho
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zoran
Originally by: Ifni Are they:
a) in npc corps? b) 5.0 sec status? c) talking in local?
I've seen similar setups with farmers, and seen people die to them, even.
a) yep b) yep c) no
yea they are farmers it seems
just out of curiosity, what difference does the sec status make to indicate whether those are farmers or not? --- That is a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers. |
DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:45:00 -
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very important factor. what space are you in? what dmg are they doing?
for example if the npc's don't do em dmg then grab a zealot with an mwd and go pwn those nub ravens in 30 seconds flat. absolution is better but not as agile so might not be able to get out quick when the others come in.
i have been solo against 5-6 bs in the same system and i figured there are few ways of doing it. either spend a fortune on a faction bs and have great fun, buy a capital ship, or use a fast hard hitting ship to take 1 out quick and leave.
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:46:00 -
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1st, find out wich torps they are likely to use (regional rat's weakest resist). Put together a Hyperion with dual LAR and 3 hardeners, throwing 2 of wich on the damage type their torps are most likely to deal. Hell, with this tactic you can use a megathron aswell, just be carefull.
2nd, arrange at least SOME backup. Even a few friendly t1 tacklers can make a huge difference in the fight's result.
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zoran on 24/05/2007 11:49:11
Originally by: Pontifex Tellanius
Originally by: Lord Zoran
Originally by: Jenny's Boy A Vagabond/Deimos/Zealot/Ishtar/Beagle would be perfect for this. You'd take 1/4 damage from their torps, you're nimble, and you'll lock faster than them.
i cant use any of these yet can only use caldari hacs currently but yea they would be good for this
AFAIK Beagle refers to the caldari Eagle fitted with blasters.
oops yea didt notice it
Originally by: Chode Rizoum farmer bots with cloaks ftl
yea it seems they do have cloaks at least i know one does for sure
Originally by: Fogy what region is this in? or what dmg are the ratts doing there?
they might be overall tanked, or do only 1 damage type.. try figuring this out, then go for them with best suitable damage, and tank.
unless theyr doing mix damage and have a overall tank..
btw did they scramble you? find it wierd that they fitt scrams on theyr npc hunting ravens..
atleest its worth a shott! :)
Cheers! Fogy
yea i thought i was weird when they started scramming me and yea they might only use/tank one or two damage types
the damage types rats do are em and thermal and they're weakest is the same --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
Jacob Holland
Gallente FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:04:00 -
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If you can catch them at the right point then I'd probably suggest just using an Interceptor - Nos would be your biggest problem but if you can catch one in a belt with agro then pretty much any interceptor should be enough to take him down in short order. And the damage their Torps/Cruise will do to you will be very low indeed. --
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Winter Nuclear
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:07:00 -
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Hmm well... Your best bet here would be a minmatar HAC or even a minnie BS... But you still have some chance with your kinetic blaster dmg. Heh, funny, gallente are described as a Thermal race, but their most powerfull guns do more kinetic than thermal. ---
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Neuromandis
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zoran
the damage types rats do are em and thermal and they're weakest is the same
Tbh, I don't like this thread at all. Suggesting that someone can take on 4 ravens solo is outrageous, no matter how newbish the ravens are. That said:
You could probably kill one or two of them in a blasterboat before going down yourself, if apart from very little skillpoint they also don't know how to fit. Apart from that, killing them is NOT a function of the right ship, it is a function of your PLAYER skill. If you can somehow separate them for long enough, you can kill them in whatever you want.
Also, don't look for weakest resist - a sansha ratting raven has all resists pretty much even across the board with chances favoring Kinetic being the weakest usually.
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:20:00 -
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taking on 4 ravens isnt outrageous, i just think it'd be a challenge that i want to take on Anyway many new players have the advantages of the higher attributes and start off sp so i think its time to show my advantage which is my sp and experience --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
Phaedruss
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:22:00 -
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The best thing you can do is research the killboards of local alliances/corps. Farmers regularly get themselves ganked and I'm finding that they will often carry multiple damage type torps and fit hardeners based on what they expect to get ganked by...not just based on the faction NPCs they're farming (i.e. a lot of farmers in Gurista space will fit EM hardeners). There's no doubt that they adapt and if they have numbers will often fight back. Also, while many believe these farmers use cloaks, in my experience it's more likely they have very deep safe spots that require observator deep space probes to find.
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WiseMagic
Gallente Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: WiseMagic on 24/05/2007 12:27:53 Hyperion with dual reps and Blasters should be able to deal with 4 noob raven pilots. You can rep 2-3k Hp with the hyperion no problem.
1 question why didn`t you warp out if they were NPC'ing then the chance of them scrambling you was very low. Kill what you can and warp
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Holland If you can catch them at the right point then I'd probably suggest just using an Interceptor - Nos would be your biggest problem but if you can catch one in a belt with agro then pretty much any interceptor should be enough to take him down in short order. And the damage their Torps/Cruise will do to you will be very low indeed.
A ceptor cant break a ravens tank though
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: WiseMagic Edited by: WiseMagic on 24/05/2007 12:27:53 Hyperion with dual reps and Blasters should be able to deal with 4 noob raven pilots. You can rep 2-3k Hp with the hyperion no problem.
1 question why didn`t you warp out if they were NPC'ing then the chance of them scrambling you was very low. Kill what you can and warp
they had scrams so i couldn't warp --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:34:00 -
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Gotta agree that a T2 Blaster-Hype would prolly be the best bet to take them down. If you don't take too long to travel to get the second one in range that is...
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: no1knowsWho
Originally by: Lord Zoran
Originally by: Ifni Are they:
a) in npc corps? b) 5.0 sec status? c) talking in local?
I've seen similar setups with farmers, and seen people die to them, even.
a) yep b) yep c) no
yea they are farmers it seems
just out of curiosity, what difference does the sec status make to indicate whether those are farmers or not?
a very high sec stat on a char a few months old means that they have been pretty much doing npcs their entire lives.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 24/05/2007 12:44:36 Get arma / abaddon & gank them. Also considering probabilty of farmer, specific hardener & specific damage might make wonders. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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