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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 03:57:00 -
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Okey so here is the question.
In any other mmo when the server ****s op the company gives free game time, I have never seen this in eve. Why?!
Well and one more, why canĘt we get a skill planner?! I mean its rl time sp gaining, then why canĘt you give us a skill planner that makes sure that when it goes down unexspectedly we donĘt lose a whole day (yer some of us has jobs and sets the skill so its finished in a specific time, so we can put it on before going to work which if its down 50minutes kind of loses 12hours of training each time. Its not a problem if its once in a while but its pretty damn oftend. :S )
Well thatĘs all
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
Gallente Federal Bank
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.25 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 25/05/2007 03:57:23
And what mmo is this again? Daoc never did it.... ww2ol never did it... planetside never did it...
also... go check some stickies for evemon.
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.25 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 25/05/2007 04:00:11
 Originally by: Buyerr
In any other mmo when the server ****s op the company gives free game time, I have never seen this in eve. Why?!
Wheres the profit in that?
They used to give away time for DT in the earlier days, but as server instability became more and more common they stopped. Unfortunately the customers seemed to become complacent about this and dont mind being taken from behind
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Ginlol
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:01:00 -
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wow does it. eq2 gives "double experience" periods as compensation. how about some "double skill training speed"?
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Jogvan
The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
also... go check some stickies for evemon.
Evemon doesn't change your skill training when EVE goes down.. 
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
also... go check some stickies for evemon.
How exactly does evemon address that?
If an outage happens during the time his skills planned to finish, and he has a job that means he needs to go to bed now and wont get on for another 22hours, how does evemon prevent him from loosing 22hours skill training?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Unter Daem
Caldari
Serenity Technology
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:04:00 -
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you could...switch to a long skill train while you're at work, then go back to the short one while you're home >.>
or is that too much effort?
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:06:00 -
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its normal since they are taking our paid time (dt is the time that we agreed to, the rest is there problem to make up for).
in L2, in ddo, in EQ, in ryl, in age of camelot, in ryzoom these are the games that i can remember on standing hand that have given game time out because of there F-ups.
even in these games the game time is not near as importent as unexspected dt in eve, unexspected dt in eve can cost you alot of sp in the long run and since there is NO way to get those sp back, its a harsh thing.
and i think we ALL can agree that a skill planning system could really be usefull (even if it could only plan like 24hours ahead, this would be totally fine, and it would not be a misuse of never logging on of sp gaining while your account is not aktive)
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:06:00 -
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After 4 years of exsistance you would think this type of crap would not happen. It is utterly appalling to be quite honest. Eve is basically a game in perpetual beta and I hope CCP gets their act together sometime soon.
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Asa Gunnarsson
Caldari
ACCORD Industries
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:06:00 -
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The ability to set a second skill in a queue would fix this... it's been mentioned before. ALWAYS leave a several day skill in queue and you'll eliminate this problem.
THIS is something that should be in the next patch...
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Unter Daem
you could...switch to a long skill train while you're at work, then go back to the short one while you're home >.>
or is that too much effort?
So if he plays for 2 hours a day, its going to take him 9 days to complete a 18hour skill?
Have you been at the same pub as the server guys?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
also... go check some stickies for evemon.
How exactly does evemon address that?
If an outage happens during the time his skills planned to finish, and he has a job that means he needs to go to bed now and wont get on for another 22hours, how does evemon prevent him from loosing 22hours skill training?
it doesn't! thats the problem (even though i would NEVER use those third party programs, for several good reasons more then its against the eula ;) )
as i said we need a planning system that lets you do a plan for like 24 hours ahead, this would make sure that within 24 hours you should be able to get on and replan ahead so no time would be wasted unless it was your fault (or exstremely unlucky but that would only happened like once or twice, which isnt a big deal)
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:09:00 -
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do something about it
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Ninja Otaku
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:10:00 -
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I understand the negative points for skill planners, but it would be useful in situations like this. Just being able to say, train this after this, would be very useful. Like you want to train Interceptors 1, but need some sleep in a serious way. Click click click, starts on Interceptor 1, trains itself to completion, there after starts new skill you already have. Perhaps one of those dreaded T2 learning skills to level 5, eh?
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zkillz kun
do something about it
ISD now runs the servers and organises compensation and game design?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Nim9i5
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:11:00 -
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please keep this in the whine thread, if there is one 
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Asa Gunnarsson
The ability to set a second skill in a queue would fix this... it's been mentioned before. ALWAYS leave a several day skill in queue and you'll eliminate this problem.
THIS is something that should be in the next patch...
this could raise a afk problem since two times lvl 5 could be 60+ days. which means a account could be left afk forever.. which is NOT my intendence, i just want to be able to injoy the game without having to have a STRICT timeline where i leave a few hours to be sure that i can change skill even when the server go offline suddenly..
so i can just rely on the server and the timer. like i said 24 hours would be fine
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Zkillz kun
do something about it
ISD now runs the servers and organises compensation and game design?
if all the whiners could be dev's they would understand that somethings are out of control, and that companies need to make money.
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zkillz kun
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Zkillz kun
do something about it
ISD now runs the servers and organises compensation and game design?
if all the whiners could be dev's they would understand that somethings are out of control, and that companies need to make money.
And since when were ISD devs?
It would explain a few things however! 
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zkillz kun on 25/05/2007 04:15:47
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Zkillz kun
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Zkillz kun
do something about it
ISD now runs the servers and organises compensation and game design?
if all the whiners could be dev's they would understand that somethings are out of control, and that companies need to make money.
And since when were ISD devs?
It would explain a few things however!
well i was trying to be clever and i couldn't find a link to apply to ccp :\
EDIT: *didn't look for
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PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:18:00 -
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ID say some newb guy ran the a cord to the b outlet and vice versa.
Then some guy thought it was a hard drive read error and did a full refomat
This killed the driver for the confused A and B and made them F.
Now when they log in they get an F U error and cant figure it out..
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Flynn Tagart
Caldari
Blood Eagle Federation
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 25/05/2007 04:21:07
WoW didn't only give out free time, they also gave us double experience for the entire day.
My second accounts char just got done with eidetic memory, this is soooo lame CCP, you should like build a backup server or do what they are suggesting, a skill planner.. =/ (that at CCP)
School finally gets out for me, and this is how CCP congratulates me.... what a waste of my time, I should have sent in my application to best buy Monday, i would have too if i would have known CCP was gonna have this happen to us...
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zkillz kun
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Zkillz kun
do something about it
ISD now runs the servers and organises compensation and game design?
if all the whiners could be dev's they would understand that somethings are out of control, and that companies need to make money.
i am pritty sure you have NO idea HOW much money mmo's are dragging in, and HOW much money eve is making;) so what about all the "anti-whiner posters" go up from your basement and ask your mom to make your a sandwich (ow that is if you can still work after 32years of sitting there).
if you had a full time job and a familie and knew how annoying it is when you have more importent stuf to do on a day then waiting for unexspected dt and you still like to injoy the game, you would know this is not a whine, its a "open your eyes and please fix this so the casual players can stil get there sp, just because they don't have 8hours a day infront of the pc)
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Jogvan
The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Unter Daem
Edited by: Unter Daem on 25/05/2007 04:08:15
you could...switch to a long skill train while you're at work, then go back to the short one while you're home >.>
or is that too much effort?
and as for downtime...yeah >.>
I don't think you understood exactly what the OP was saying. Let's say I plan a skill to finish at 7.30 before I go to work at 8, but then the servers are down when I wake up. I can't change skill before I leave and don't have access to EVE at work. That leaves me with 8+ hours of lost training. Not fun 
A simple skill planner, or even if they hurried up with the cellphone client would be nice.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jogvan
Originally by: Unter Daem
Edited by: Unter Daem on 25/05/2007 04:08:15
you could...switch to a long skill train while you're at work, then go back to the short one while you're home >.>
or is that too much effort?
and as for downtime...yeah >.>
I don't think you understood exactly what the OP was saying. Let's say I plan a skill to finish at 7.30 before I go to work at 8, but then the servers are down when I wake up. I can't change skill before I leave and don't have access to EVE at work. That leaves me with 8+ hours of lost training. Not fun
A simple skill planner, or even if they hurried up with the cellphone client would be nice.
thank you..
but actually for me on a normal day it's more like 12hours+
1hour to and from work and 10 hours at work, and when i get home i have the familie to look after which leave me with even more time since i am not about to let the familie wait just to get the skills set up, there are more importent things then this, but i would like to be able to injoy it even when i don't have alot of time on those normal work days.
but well it seems that people don't think it's okey if you are not committing yourself to eve as you would to a relationship 
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Flynn Tagart
Caldari
Blood Eagle Federation
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:27:00 -
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SO, anyone know how many times this thing is gonna go thru the 5 second startup timer? or was that broken in the patch too and its not really starting up.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Flynn Tagart
SO, anyone know how many times this thing is gonna go thru the 5 second startup timer? or was that broken in the patch too and its not really starting up.
hehe not up yet?! :P
damn that's bad heh...
(i have acces to the internet but i don't have the game on the working computer and i am pritty sure the boss will kill me if i get it:P )
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Dapanman1
Amarr
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Flynn Tagart
SO, anyone know how many times this thing is gonna go thru the 5 second startup timer? or was that broken in the patch too and its not really starting up.
See Here
and yes, it took that long, then we logged back in all at once, and it blew up again...
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Shinris
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:32:00 -
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well i can see a problem with a skill system that allows you to set up to skills after each other as it is said it could be 60days+
but maybe allowing short time skills to switch or as mentioned a timer for how long you could set them. would be really nice:)
no server isn't up.
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Duck Andcover
Don't be Alarmed
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Posted - 2007.05.25 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Buyerr
(dt is the time that we agreed to, the rest is there problem to make up for)
Not really:
Originally by: EULA
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
Some companies have indeed been known to give xp / gametime / whatever on occasion. It even happened in EVE once, a long time ago. Since then, it's been stated on more than one occasion that it'll probably never happen again.
Why? Because we're not entitled. Because even _without_ the prospect there are daily whine threads demanding time, faction modules and pink ponies whenever motsu or jita hicups, or whenever alliance X dumps 400 ships on alliance Y. Because the daily downtime hardly ever runs full time, essentially granting you more playtime than anticipated. Because macaca happens.
Losing skill time is never much fun, but it happens. Sometimes it happens a bit too often. In EVE as well as in any other game - I certainly haven't played an mmo yet where, say, a patch wasn't a virtual promise of weeks of instability. In fact, I'd go so far as to say CCP generally handles emergencies better than most companies I've dealt with in the past (SOE and Blizzard come to mind).
All that said, an emergency skill plan (train this for 24 hours, then discontinue) would be nice, but probably isn't feasible under the current system. If wishes were horses...
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