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Identity Hidden
Amarr
I Fought Piranhas
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Posted - 2007.05.28 17:46:00 -
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Am I the only one who thinks the resellers in the market hubs with near bottomless wallets need to be nerfed? i.e. the ones that buy all of a certain recon and fix the price at a certain ammount?
For the average joe who cannot afford to invent ships, the resellers fixing prices on larger T2 ships are keeping them just about pre-invention prices.
Discuss.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 17:47:00 -
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its easy isk to resell stuff
for people that cant be botherede to grind isk all day 
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 17:58:00 -
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I think basically it's the job of the market mechanics to stop them.
Taht example with the average joe that can't afford invention: If they buy off everything and resell for high price this will be a paradise for inventors that gets a higher price then as when they would have the real prices and people fighting them with underbidding. So they would just go and make invention in masses, as much invetion as possible as they get that artificial high price .. till the resellers notice they don't sell enough compared to the huge ammount they buy from the jolly inventors and finally huge stockpiles of that items remains in their hangers and they make a solid loss cause prices will go down finally anyways.
If you can't control the source the item comes from (which was the case with t2 bpos btw) trying to establish high artificial prices are a quick way to ruin yourself financially.
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
If you can't control the source the item comes from (which was the case with t2 bpos btw) trying to establish high artificial prices are a quick way to ruin yourself financially.
If someone has the ISK to do this, to say a Recon or Command Ship which are very difficult to invent, they are controlling the source. Who is going to come in and undersell if someone has bumped the prices high? Noone. Everyone will sell at the bumped price, and anyone who sells below will simply be bought out by one of these insanely wealthy individuals who do the reselling..
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Rthor
Gallente
Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
I think basically it's the job of the market mechanics to stop them.
Taht example with the average joe that can't afford invention: If they buy off everything and resell for high price this will be a paradise for inventors that gets a higher price then as when they would have the real prices and people fighting them with underbidding. So they would just go and make invention in masses, as much invetion as possible as they get that artificial high price .. till the resellers notice they don't sell enough compared to the huge ammount they buy from the jolly inventors and finally huge stockpiles of that items remains in their hangers and they make a solid loss cause prices will go down finally anyways.
If you can't control the source the item comes from (which was the case with t2 bpos btw) trying to establish high artificial prices are a quick way to ruin yourself financially.
So it is the market's job to stop the market from operating?  Put your money where your mouth is and try.
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Badhands
Gallente
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:21:00 -
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God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
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Khatred
Fluffy Mungoose
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Identity Hidden
Am I the only one who thinks the resellers in the market hubs with near bottomless wallets need to be nerfed? i.e. the ones that buy all of a certain recon and fix the price at a certain ammount?
For the average joe who cannot afford to invent ships, the resellers fixing prices on larger T2 ships are keeping them just about pre-invention prices.
Discuss.
Then the average joe that can't afford certain ships OR to invent them should fly something else. Otherwise average joe might feel entitled to free navy ravens because average joe doesn't have time to run missions.
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Mirirar
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:49:00 -
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Please... leave.
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
qft 
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Identity Hidden
Amarr
I Fought Piranhas
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
Well, they introduced T2 invention for a reason, they saw how the T2 lottery created super wealthy people who never even had to undock anything but an npc character freighter to generate insane ammounts of wealth.
The same untouchables that had monopolies on the popular Tech II ships and modules now have pretty huge wallets, I'd say some kind of nerf to market activity is needed to keep these people from fixing prices. At least for a month or two, hopefully they blow their wallets (unlikely) on MOMs or outposts or faction/officer gear.
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Tokku Io
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:49:00 -
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1. Buy an industry character
2. Invent the same ships
3. Sell them 10% cheaper than the speculator
You'll pay back your investment in 10 days max.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.28 23:43:00 -
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its good as a seller (not as a reseller tho) simply pitch the sell order between the diff beteen the low bids and the high sales ( 70% above the buyer prices) then put a buy order in about 40% above them
enocurage volumes to settle in this range eventually they will sell to u to take u out and buy off u to take u out can be good ISK right in the middle to
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Thanos Mortis
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:06:00 -
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/me signed cheap ships ftw
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Sul Condbax
Open Season
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
win
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
LOL
Cheers,
Arrs
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 31/05/2007 13:57:38
 what?
a) how the hell ccp can nerf the wallets of someone?
b) have you tried to manipulated the market? i tried some times, just for the heck of it, believe me i lost money lol
Invention is here and when 1 out of 30000 pilots might dig a hole hte rest 299999 cover it without even know it
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Ragnor Dayton
Amarr
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tokku Io
1. Buy an industry character
2. Invent the same ships
3. Sell them 10% cheaper than the speculator
You'll pay back your investment in 10 days max.
Not with a 2 day invention and 12 day build time on 5 run hac bpc 
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violator2k5
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: violator2k5 on 31/05/2007 14:01:50
Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
qft x 2
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ragnor Dayton
Originally by: Tokku Io
1. Buy an industry character
2. Invent the same ships
3. Sell them 10% cheaper than the speculator
You'll pay back your investment in 10 days max.
Not with a 2 day invention and 12 day build time on 5 run hac bpc
3 day copy time in a pos lab too, for just ONE BPC. Yeah, it's not quite that simple. Maybe he means a collective 10 days of installing 3 simultaneous jobs at once?
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Akoudoulos
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Ragnor Dayton
Originally by: Tokku Io
1. Buy an industry character
2. Invent the same ships
3. Sell them 10% cheaper than the speculator
You'll pay back your investment in 10 days max.
Not with a 2 day invention and 12 day build time on 5 run hac bpc
3 day copy time in a pos lab too, for just ONE BPC. Yeah, it's not quite that simple. Maybe he means a collective 10 days of installing 3 simultaneous jobs at once?
why use full run BPC? it only gives one extra, and id rather spent my RD slot doing other stuff :)
1 runs bpcs work as good
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Identity Hidden
Am I the only one who thinks the resellers in the market hubs with near bottomless wallets need to be nerfed? i.e. the ones that buy all of a certain recon and fix the price at a certain ammount?
For the average joe who cannot afford to invent ships, the resellers fixing prices on larger T2 ships are keeping them just about pre-invention prices.
Discuss.
Did you stop to consider the fact that bulk resellers actuley help small scale industrialests by reduceing competition and raiseing prices?
When there is only one other seller and his or her prices are 15% above region average its pritty damn easy to undercut that sale a make a decent profit.
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Tokku Io
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Ragnor Dayton
Originally by: Tokku Io
1. Buy an industry character
2. Invent the same ships
3. Sell them 10% cheaper than the speculator
You'll pay back your investment in 10 days max.
Not with a 2 day invention and 12 day build time on 5 run hac bpc
3 day copy time in a pos lab too, for just ONE BPC. Yeah, it's not quite that simple. Maybe he means a collective 10 days of installing 3 simultaneous jobs at once?
Actually I meant 10 days of running 9-10 simultaneous jobs, and 10 was just a random estimate. In any case, inventing and producing around 5 ships per day is quite possible and if someone is trying to manipulate the market, the profit for the inventor will be insane
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
QFT
Bunch of freakin socialists.
Die.
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hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
Man that's sig worthy, think the mods will get to it though. 
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:22:00 -
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If you don't like the price of a particular good on the market, place a buy order for it at a price you feel is acceptable, or attempt to buy the product with a thread in the market forums.
The market works fine, if a ship is out of your price range, fly something else. It's exactly what I have done, now that sabres cost a ridiculous amount of isk.
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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Identity Hidden
Am I the only one who thinks the griefing gankers in the low sec systems with too much free time need to be nerfed? i.e. the ones that gank all of the haulers and make it impossible to live in lowsec?
For the average joe who cannot afford to lose ships, the griefing gankers populating lowsec are keeping them just from getting any kind of fun.
Discuss.
Same whine, different cheese. EVE PvP isn't limited to pewpew till things go boom, even if that's imo the prettiest way.
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Yblarbo Janks
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
* licks hand, and wipes hair back *
Hello, Janks got here late, did someone say there's lovin' about?
I shot a man in Mara, just to watch him Die.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 31/05/2007 15:40:02
Originally by: Disco Flint
Originally by: Identity Hidden
Am I the only one who thinks the griefing gankers in the low sec systems with too much free time need to be nerfed? i.e. the ones that gank all of the haulers and make it impossible to live in lowsec?
For the average joe who cannot afford to lose ships, the griefing gankers populating lowsec are keeping them just from getting any kind of fun.
Discuss.
Same whine, different cheese. EVE PvP isn't limited to pewpew till things go boom, even if that's imo the prettiest way.
You sir win the forums today.
Edit: Quote tag pwned me.... 
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
God, now we want to nerf the free market? This game is full of pussies. I swear.
QFT
Originally by: "Shanda Captison"
Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
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versic
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Identity Hidden
Am I the only one who thinks the resellers in the market hubs with near bottomless wallets need to be nerfed? i.e. the ones that buy all of a certain recon and fix the price at a certain ammount?
For the average joe who cannot afford to invent ships, the resellers fixing prices on larger T2 ships are keeping them just about pre-invention prices.
Discuss.
Just how exactly do you think they can nerf a free market economy? the only way i see how is to destroy the economic theory they are running this game on.
Also if you cant afford to fly it.. yadda yadda
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 16:04:00 -
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Lets nerf whineposts (you know, risk/reward yadda yadda). Only one stupid post per month per account (want to whine more? pay more). All others are masked out.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.31 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 31/05/2007 18:00:19
nerf lazy people who buy at inflated prices -they are out of hand
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.31 18:09:00 -
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It is not the resellers fault, it is the fault of the people that buy stuff at their prices...
Maybe the average joe actually has too much money and those that cry here are below average?
Thank you SkyFlyer!
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Prekaz
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Posted - 2007.05.31 18:19:00 -
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Dear OP:
You seem to be suffering from delusions of entitlement. It is not your god-given right to fly a command ship, HAC, recon, etc. If you can't afford one, the fault for that lies solely with you. It is not the game's fault. You are asking for a solution to a non-problem. Bear in mind that just because you don't like it, it does not mean there is a problem.
Please quit and give me your stuff.
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