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annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.05.29 10:30:00 - [31] I wondered why my +10.0 sec rating dissapeared after my 'sabatical' from Eve and why, no matter how many naughty npc's I kill while ratting, my sec rating hasnt gone above +5.0. Mind you, I have been trying rather hard lately to lower this rating
Lucai	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:20:00 - [32] gets warm feelings inside remembering being perma red in Ultima Online back in the 90s If low-sec piracy and/or ganking is your style, live with it. At least you have a way to get back up.
Saori Rei Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:22:00 - [33] Why should getting to -10 be as hard as getting to +10? The lower your sec status the less of the universe is available to you, therefore its a decent enough penalty for being evil. Its fine the way it is -though- I'm not sure if its a bit -too- hard to get back up to +ve again.
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Saori Rei Why should getting to -10 be as hard as getting to +10? The lower your sec status the less of the universe is available to you, therefore its a decent enough penalty for being evil. Its fine the way it is -though- I'm not sure if its a bit -too- hard to get back up to +ve again. /sign It will take longer than 2 hours to get to -10 also, unless your smartbombing. You do the crime you should do the time, stop complaining and start grinding those npcs !
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Siloh Originally by: Janu Hull Six months from 0.0 to 2.2, then in one attack in 0.1, back to 1.9. A little steep, I think. Stop killing unsuspecting miners and you'll find your sec rating will hold up just fine For you others. Killing noobs in highsec is not to be regarded as cool and a -10 sec rating basically means you're pathetic scum without anything better to do than prey on helpless people, NOT that you are in any way hawt stuff Wasn't. It was a known loot thief I shot at during an anti-pirate op. And it was all of about two shots that destroyed his ship. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
XenoPagan Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:40:00 - [36] Edited by: XenoPagan on 29/05/2007 11:39:25 sec loss isn't all about breaking the "law"- we had a little ship tournament the other day, every participant was in same gang and still I (and some others) got sec hits when initiating a fight. yeayea, steal from can etc... but its so tedious!
Brannor McThife Caldari MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.05.29 13:06:00 - [37] I went to lowsec soon after getting my Arazu, and sat watching the local traffic while testing my sensor dampening skills on some NPCs. Yes, I was there to find pirate scum, and it wasn't long before one appeared in local. He was there in a frig, and I quickly figured he was trying to scan down the miners that were in the system. I tracked him down using the normal directional scanner and jumped him while he was probing them. Nice, I kill a known pirate, and I take a sec standing hit. It takes 30+ missions to get back the sec standing I lost just by attacking and blowing him up... community service and punished for it... *******s. -G
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.29 13:51:00 - [38] Sec status is like money. It is easier to loose money than to earn money.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.05.29 13:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Odet Currently I'm sure everyone already knows how easy it is to lose sec, yet substantially harder to actually get sec. For the flamers I'm at -1.5 so stfu right now. Anyhoo here comes the opinion. Carebears work hard to get to +5.0 and it's a long grind. Having a -10.0 should be just as hard to acheive. I remeber back in the day it was rare to see a -10.0 character. Now they're flying left right and center. Wouldn't it be cool to actually have to earn a bad sec rating? so you can really be proud of your evil epeen? As it stands any nubbin can grief for 2 hours and look like hes a p1mp well griefing in low sec must have harsh concequeance. Want to pvp without it? go to 0.0. all is cool imho - Killing Eve bullies all over the galaxy
King Dave Itto-Ryu Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.29 14:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Jogvan Originally by: B1G DAVE Edited by: B1G DAVE on 29/05/2007 08:40:40 Actually its pretty difficult to get true neg 10 Is it possible? After almost 100 pod kills I'm still -9.9999 Well if it's a percentage reduction each time... What do you think? :P
JoCool Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.29 14:09:00 - [41] Edited by: JoCool on 29/05/2007 14:08:46 9 out of 10 people who posted here might not have gotten why Odet wrote this post. What he wants is not to make the game easier for criminals, but to make it harder to achieve the golden -10.0 (shown to others when they click show info on you). The best way to achieve this would be for you to get just as easily to -8.0 as it is nowadays, and then decrease the security penalty heavily onwards down the ladder below -8.0. _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.05.29 14:15:00 - [42] Originally by: JoCool Edited by: JoCool on 29/05/2007 14:08:46 9 out of 10 people who posted here might not have gotten why Odet wrote this post. What he wants is not to make the game easier for criminals, but to make it harder to achieve the golden -10.0 (shown to others when they click show info on you). The best way to achieve this would be for you to get just as easily to -8.0 as it is nowadays, and then decrease the security penalty heavily onwards down the ladder below -8.0. ah ok lol.I didt get this sick criminal achievement system lol - Killing Eve bullies all over the galaxy
Gutsani Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.29 14:51:00 - [43] or gain sec the cool way .. goes 15 times as fast, untill they nerf it that is .. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Tratalt	Posted - 2007.05.29 15:11:00 - [44] Why are we assuming that everyone who has low sec is a pirate? Suppose someone is guarding a mining op in low sec and a neutral with -4.0 sec status jumps into the belt in a combat ship. The guard has very little time to act before the pilot opens fire. If the guard acts first, scramming/webbing/opening fire, he will take a sec hit for doing so. If he waits for the other person to open fire, it is quite likely that the guard will lose a miner. While I realise that the world is not fair, and neither is Eve, the guard is penalized simply for being a guard. He then must grind rats or missions for to regain his sec status, simply because he did his job. Not all people with low sec are pirates. However, people see that negative sign and think ZOMG PRATS RUN!1!!11one!
Maximor Skill Level Six Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.05.29 15:12:00 - [45] I goofed. The above post from Tratalt was made by me
Odet Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:03:00 - [46] Clearly many of you cant read past me first phrase. "For the flamers I'm at -1.5 so stfu right now." I have had no issue working my sec from -10.0 many times back up to positive. But that's not the point of my post obviously. My post is not a whine complaining about getting back your sec its about getting your sec down. It should take some actual time and work to get it down. my point was it's too easy to get to -10.0 in comparison to getting to +5.0 If you've never done it dont bother posting, your opinion means nothing. Don't bash it till you tried it. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:07:00 - [47] Originally by: UGWidowmaker yes its to easy to be -10 that should be very damn hard to be. i fully agree. 2 onths old n00bs can go -10 with eass.. thats not fun why is that not fun - for me it is awesome - just let me locate my targets easier if they are at -10 It's just a game........Or is it?????
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Odet Clearly many of you cant read past me first phrase. "For the flamers I'm at -1.5 so stfu right now." I have had no issue working my sec from -10.0 many times back up to positive. But that's not the point of my post obviously. My post is not a whine complaining about getting back your sec its about getting your sec down. It should take some actual time and work to get it down. my point was it's too easy to get to -10.0 in comparison to getting to +5.0 If you've never done it dont bother posting, your opinion means nothing. Don't bash it till you tried it. Actually your point is that you want to be able to do more ganking while looking like an innocent person with a good sec - so that before you appear scary to people, you can kill more newbs, transports, miners etc. It's just a game........Or is it?????
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.05.29 18:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Fswd Less griefing = less sec drop, now stfu This thread is full of idiots who don't understand the basics of the game. _
Odet Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.29 19:57:00 - [50] Originally by: MotoTsume Originally by: Odet Clearly many of you cant read past me first phrase. "For the flamers I'm at -1.5 so stfu right now." I have had no issue working my sec from -10.0 many times back up to positive. But that's not the point of my post obviously. My post is not a whine complaining about getting back your sec its about getting your sec down. It should take some actual time and work to get it down. my point was it's too easy to get to -10.0 in comparison to getting to +5.0 If you've never done it dont bother posting, your opinion means nothing. Don't bash it till you tried it. Actually your point is that you want to be able to do more ganking while looking like an innocent person with a good sec - so that before you appear scary to people, you can kill more newbs, transports, miners etc. Actually if your read anything I postd you would see thats not my point at all. I'm -1.5, not -10.0 Learn to read and understand and stop reading and understanding what you want to hear. I appolagize for your lacking abilty to understand a simple concept. I clearly stated my point. k thx. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Odet Currently I'm sure everyone already knows how easy it is to lose sec, yet substantially harder to actually get sec. For the flamers I'm at -1.5 so stfu right now. Anyhoo here comes the opinion. Carebears work hard to get to +5.0 and it's a long grind. Having a -10.0 should be just as hard to acheive. I remeber back in the day it was rare to see a -10.0 character. Now they're flying left right and center. Wouldn't it be cool to actually have to earn a bad sec rating? so you can really be proud of your evil epeen? As it stands any nubbin can grief for 2 hours and look like hes a p1mp In a sentence, it is as follows; is it harder to become a saint or a criminal? All you need to do to become infamous in real life is kill a police officer, or in other words, make a single mistake. It takes a lifetime of work to be sainted. There is nothing wrong with the system as it is.
Miyuki Ishikawa	Posted - 2007.05.29 21:30:00 - [52] It would probably take me a few weeks of effort to get anyone to trust me enough to let me into their homes. Several YEARS of unfaltering loyalty to get someone to trust me with their money. And longer for my reputation to spread among that person's friends. It would take about 5 seconds and a simple punch to the face to ensure that person will never want to even see me again. 30 seconds and 6 more punches, and that person will pretty much assume aggression if they ever do see me again after that. Give it a day, and that person will have told their friends and family how much a jerk I am - and my reputation is forever ruined. Several years vs. 35 seconds. I think the game has it just about right.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.29 22:12:00 - [53] Ha Ha Odetski, you fail @ your thread! >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Odet Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.29 23:14:00 - [54] Originally by: HostageTaker Ha Ha Odetski, you fail @ your thread! thats an understatement if ive ever heard one. why cant people just read =/ _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:19:00 - [55] Originally by: mr bighelmet This is one of the problems of low sec, a copr/alliance can not protect there systems without getting huge security hits. I suppose you mean to say "their systems"? Trying to claim empire space is nubtastic.

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