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Karash Amerius Sutoka 30	Posted - 2012.01.02 02:52:00 - [1] - Quote Quite a few "PI sucks now" tears on the forums lately...which is incredibly short sighted. What did you think was going to happen? PI was initially a system where no real PVP (econ or combat) could occur, and that is fundamentally against the design philosophy of Eve Online. What do you think is going to happen to your precious lowsec PI "empire" when DUST finally happens? Think you can protect anything static without a fully functioning and active corp or alliance? Think again. Entering lowsec in a Blockade Runner to farm PI materials in the old invulnerable POCO system was not you taking "risk", it was you taking advantage of an incomplete game design system. So quit the whining or just QQ already.
T' Elk Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 266	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:03:00 - [2] - Quote Your thread, in essence, is one badly disguised whine. Get the **** out and save yourself some pain. God wears-áRay Ban Aviators.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 726	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:05:00 - [3] - Quote Karash Amerius wrote: PI was initially a system where no real PVP (econ or combat) could occur, and that is fundamentally against the design philosophy of Eve Online. Sort of how when EVE Online started and there was mining in it which is a very nasty form of PVP? Wait a second. Mining isn't PVP... How is PI against the design philosophy of EVE Online exactly? Oh you mean the design philosophy that you dreamed that EVE has?
Skorpynekomimi E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector 72	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:05:00 - [4] - Quote All that's different with my setup is that taxes have gone up. I still take a bog-standard industrial into lowsec to pick it up and shuffle things. I still don't get shot at.
Kha'Vorn Kha'Toum 56	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:09:00 - [5] - Quote Skorpynekomimi wrote: All that's different with my setup is that taxes have gone up. I still take a bog-standard industrial into lowsec to pick it up and shuffle things. I still don't get shot at. and where do you run this PI empire??
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 240	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:10:00 - [6] - Quote Whining ABOUT whining about PI is even WORSE !!!!!! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Disdaine 157	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:12:00 - [7] - Quote When can I shoot other peoples datacore agents? Or hack their invention jobs?
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 240	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:14:00 - [8] - Quote Karash Amerius wrote: PI was initially a system where no real PVP (econ or combat) could occur, and that is fundamentally against the design philosophy of Eve Online. I have no CLUE where you guys are getting this idea. I hear it all the time............ CCP does not have a design goal with that as a schema. The players bring the PvP to what's out there. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Ocih Space Mermaids 29	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:28:00 - [9] - Quote I haven't seen a thread about the PI changes in weeks. You bored OP? Need to open some old wounds? Can't find anything more current to troll about? If you were trying to be original, remember the game is 8 years old. That's not going to be easy. Devs can't do it and they get paid to.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1098	Posted - 2012.01.02 04:57:00 - [10] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Whining ABOUT whining about PI is even WORSE !!!!!! And Whining about how Whining About Whining about PI is even worse is meta-Worst than anything that came before.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:21:00 - [11] - Quote Ocih wrote: I haven't seen a thread about the PI changes in weeks. You bored OP? Need to open some old wounds? Can't find anything more current to troll about? If you were trying to be original, remember the game is 8 years old. That's not going to be easy. Devs can't do it and they get paid to. Actually he was referring to a thread I started today QUERYING why PI in lowsec has been "Interbussed". I ASKED whether it's a DUST 514 preparation. I ASKED if it's putting more cookies into large alliance wallets. I ASKED other lowsec PI'ers what their opinions were. I DON'T recall whining but hey, if that's his lot then so be it. MAYBE he SHOULD have ASKED if I was WHINING or COMMENTING. The DIFFERENCE requires a little intellect. OP FAILED. PS: DAMNED CAPS key, It'S SoOoOo unPredICtable.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1098	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:27:00 - [12] - Quote met worst wrote: MADBRO UMADBRO?
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:35:00 - [13] - Quote Karash Amerius wrote: PI was initially a system where no real PVP (econ or combat) could occur, and that is fundamentally against the design philosophy of Eve Online. I lolled soooo hard. Eve's "design philosophy" is "build it and they will come". It's called a SANDBOX. PvP happens as a RESULT of the sandbox just as "building precious PI empires" is ALSO a result in that very same sandbox. More importantly, what people DO in that sandbox is ALWAYS open for critique and improvement and CCP frequently make changes based on "heaps of people whining". Numbers will ALWAYS win. You have added little more than a personal ***** session about bitchin' and for mine, you do the topic a FAVOUR by bringing the anghst to the fore. Well done. But really. What's at stake for Eve? If low-seccers pull the pin on PI then there is even LESS reason for lowsec to exist and even LESS to shoot at when DUST 514 arrives. Think about it.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:39:00 - [14] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: met worst wrote: MADBRO UMADBRO? Nope. Having a laugh actually. Gathering classification intel on users of the forum. Which column shall I put you? Column 1: Morons Column 2: Meme vomitters Column 3: Cliche regurgitants Column 4: Macros Column 5: Money traders Column 6: Everyone else Did I miss anyone?
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1098	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:46:00 - [15] - Quote met worst wrote: RubyPorto wrote: met worst wrote: MADBRO UMADBRO? Nope. Having a laugh actually. Gathering classification intel on users of the forum. Which column shall I put you? Column 1: Morons Column 2: Meme vomitters Column 3: Cliche regurgitants Column 4: Macros Column 5: Money traders Column 6: Everyone else Did I miss anyone? Wait, there's forum Macros? And RMTers use the Eve-O Forums? Which subforum? And I'd be happy to join you right in Column 1, if only to keep you company.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:47:00 - [16] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: met worst wrote: RubyPorto wrote: met worst wrote: MADBRO UMADBRO? Nope. Having a laugh actually. Gathering classification intel on users of the forum. Which column shall I put you? Column 1: Morons Column 2: Meme vomitters Column 3: Cliche regurgitants Column 4: Macros Column 5: Money traders Column 6: Everyone else Did I miss anyone? Wait, there's forum Macros? And RMTers use the Eve-O Forums? Which subforum? And I'd be happy to join you right in Column 1, if only to keep you company. Macros runners whine about bot controls. RMT'ers complain about their bans that they didn't deserve. And touche'..
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1098	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:55:00 - [17] - Quote met worst wrote: Macros runners whine about bot controls. RMT'ers complain about their bans that they didn't deserve. And touche'.. I did see a missionrunner whine about the mission window moving, so I guess you have a point there about Bot makers. And I was thinking more of the Isk sellers, who accept their bans quietly as a cost of doing business.
Karash Amerius Sutoka 31	Posted - 2012.01.02 07:38:00 - [18] - Quote fairly amusing.
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 79	Posted - 2012.01.02 07:59:00 - [19] - Quote Kha'Vorn wrote: Skorpynekomimi wrote: All that's different with my setup is that taxes have gone up. I still take a bog-standard industrial into lowsec to pick it up and shuffle things. I still don't get shot at. and where do you run this PI empire?? Even if he told you, are you prepared to spend endless hours camping customs offices for a chance at a kill on an industrial?
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 477	Posted - 2012.01.02 08:50:00 - [20] - Quote People are overreacting always beacause they are ignorant.
Ocih Space Mermaids 29	Posted - 2012.01.02 09:26:00 - [21] - Quote met worst wrote: Ocih wrote: I haven't seen a thread about the PI changes in weeks. You bored OP? Need to open some old wounds? Can't find anything more current to troll about? If you were trying to be original, remember the game is 8 years old. That's not going to be easy. Devs can't do it and they get paid to. Actually he was referring to a thread I started today QUERYING why PI in lowsec has been "Interbussed". I ASKED whether it's a DUST 514 preparation. I ASKED if it's putting more cookies into large alliance wallets. I ASKED other lowsec PI'ers what their opinions were. I DON'T recall whining but hey, if that's his lot then so be it. MAYBE he SHOULD have ASKED if I was WHINING or COMMENTING. The DIFFERENCE requires a little intellect. OP FAILED. PS: DAMNED CAPS key, It'S SoOoOo unPredICtable. One of the Dust 514 screenshots I saw was orbital so I am guessing this is the result of 514. They plan to make POCO a part of the Dust 514 interface. By jacking up facility costs in high sec, we can now go to low and null to entertain the PvP bears and 514 bears because it's obvious CCP don't know how to do it or simply don'tt want to. I can't blame them for the latter. It isn't big on my to do list either.
Devil's Call Viperfleet Inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck 744	Posted - 2012.01.02 12:00:00 - [22] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: People are overreacting always beacause they are ignorant. So ignorant. Michael Jackson voice
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4232	Posted - 2012.01.02 12:07:00 - [23] - Quote non judgement wrote: Sort of how when EVE Online started and there was mining in it. Which is a very nasty form of PVP? Wait a second. Mining isn't PVP Of course it is. Do you see any NPCs competing with you over those minerals? met worst wrote: Eve's "design philosophy" is "build it and they will come". It's called a SANDBOX. PvP happens as a RESULT of the sandbox No. PvP is the fuel of the sandbox GÇö it's what makes the core engine (the market) move and makes all the building have a purpose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Skorpynekomimi E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector 74	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:09:00 - [24] - Quote Anya Ohaya wrote: Kha'Vorn wrote: Skorpynekomimi wrote: All that's different with my setup is that taxes have gone up. I still take a bog-standard industrial into lowsec to pick it up and shuffle things. I still don't get shot at. and where do you run this PI empire?? Even if he told you, are you prepared to spend endless hours camping customs offices for a chance at a kill on an industrial? Even if I told you, it'd be a kill on a Wreathe with absolutely no fitting other than a couple of cargo expanders, that spends the vast majority of the 5 minutes it takes picking my PI up warping between customs offices. I am very careful in lowsec. Especially in a system that used to be rather heavily contested. Why risk a 100mil ship when a 100k one does the same job? Especially when I have five more of it just sitting around spare, waiting to be useful. I had to order a bunch of the things to justify the alliance buying the BPO, after all.
JagerJake Rapalje Eternal Evocations 2	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:12:00 - [25] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Whining ABOUT whining about PI is even WORSE !!!!!! And Whining about how Whining About Whining about PI is even worse is meta-Worst than anything that came before. do you see what you just did there
Ana Vyr Vyral Technologies 163	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:29:00 - [26] - Quote One of eve's biggest issues is the fact that folks cling to highsec to avoid risk. The way PI was set up before, high seccers were actually out in lowsec doing some PI. The current changes killed that. Shrug, I pulled out of lowsec completely as the reward/risk equation doesn't make sense anymore for small corp or solo PI in lowsec. You guys can spin it any way you choose, but don't cry about no targets in lowsec after CCPs changes which were supposed to stimulate pvp.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 879	Posted - 2012.01.02 17:37:00 - [27] - Quote Karash Amerius wrote: Quite a few "PI sucks now" tears on the forums lately...which is incredibly short sighted. Blah, blah, blah... So quit the whining or just QQ already. Ummm..."QQ" means "whining"... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! Support our boobies!-á[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread[/url]
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2012.01.03 01:02:00 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: non judgement wrote: Sort of how when EVE Online started and there was mining in it. Which is a very nasty form of PVP? Wait a second. Mining isn't PVP Of course it is. Do you see any NPCs competing with you over those minerals? met worst wrote: Eve's "design philosophy" is "build it and they will come". It's called a SANDBOX. PvP happens as a RESULT of the sandbox No. PvP is the fuel of the sandbox GÇö it's what makes the core engine (the market) move and makes all the building have a purpose. Pffft. Once again you dissected a paragraph and took the statement out of context. My response was to a comment that PI does not in itself attract PvP and therefore "had to be changed". The point (in the ENTIRE paragraph) was that the sandbox ALSO allows for "precious PI empires" to be built. And PI itself can also be a catalyst to generate more PvP both economically and militarily. They are not mutually exclusive.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 730	Posted - 2012.01.03 07:44:00 - [29] - Quote Tippia wrote: non judgement wrote: Sort of how when EVE Online started and there was mining in it. Which is a very nasty form of PVP? Wait a second. Mining isn't PVP Of course it is. Do you see any NPCs competing with you over those minerals? met worst wrote: Eve's "design philosophy" is "build it and they will come". It's called a SANDBOX. PvP happens as a RESULT of the sandbox No. PvP is the fuel of the sandbox GÇö it's what makes the core engine (the market) move and makes all the building have a purpose. Yeah I know you are right. Mining is PVP in the way you talk about it. I just had the assumption that the OP was talking only about player's ship verses another player's ship, when they said PVP. Since there are many people in EVE Online that only think of PVP as peoples ships fighting each other. Looking at anything else people do in the game as boring and meaningless.

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