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Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.30 00:05:00 - [1] Delictum 23216 pilots Robert Kauliford, Darkdy, Xaos Elerosse, Jazzmyn and Captain Munky today broke the ceasefire between Delictum and EM by firing on an EM vessel in a 0.3 system in company with PIE Inc. It has become glaringly obviously in recent weeks that Delictum 23216 are only interested in the peace talks as a chance to push their own, pro-Empire agenda. They seek not peace, but conquest. We do not take this proof that the Mandate's government take the same line. Our approach to the peace talks remains that they are exactly that - talks about the way to peace, an effort to find a solution acceptable to both sides. We do take this as clear proof, however, that Delictum 23216 has no interest in a peace process that will not hand us all back to the Empire in chains. Scagga, you no longer have any potential use or benefit to the Republic. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.30 00:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 30/05/2007 00:34:54 The battle report has yet to reach my desk to know who shot who and why. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Alywn Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:13:00 - [3] Edited by: Alywn on 30/05/2007 01:20:04 Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo The battle report has yet to reach my desk so I can examine the facts first, before finding out what Electus Matari forces were doing in Empire territory. As long as it wasn't "Shooting Delictum 23216 ships" then it doesn't matter. We don't attack each other, that's what the cease fire is about. You have no high ground to claim here Scagga. Your pilots should have not become involved in a fight between PIE forces and EM forces. Cease fire: No shooting War: Shooting We are in the former with you and the latter with PIE. This means that even if we attack PIE forces whilst Delictum forces are around you do not get involved. As it is such an act by Delictum pilots is simply criminal. The loss of two of your ships to sentry gun fire shows this. I shall attempt to take a slightly calmer approach to this than Evanda I should expect an announcement regarding the punishment of the pilots in question, Or is Evanda right and you don't actually care about peace between the Mandate and the Republic? Show your true intentions Scagga, whatever they may be. Edit: Spelling
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:21:00 - [4] My first reaction is to establish the facts. Until that is done no conclusion has any foundation. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:29:00 - [5] Oh, I didn't see that one coming... Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:47:00 - [6] Scagga's response indicates he was not aware of the attack. Scagga, a suggestion. If, as I suspect is the truth, your pilots attacked EM without justification, I would respond by firing those pilots. Do not try and twist it so it seems like we started the fight. We won't accept it, and you know it. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.30 02:19:00 - [7] This doesn't exactly bode well for the peace talks now does it? My suggestion Scagga is to look at your Amarrian adviser in this matter. I will not be surprised that the orders to fire upon EM vessels cam from him. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Jonny Damordred Oh, I didn't see that one coming... Cheers, Jonny D. I know. I honestly thought I'd lose my temper and shoot him first, too. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo My first reaction is to establish the facts. Until that is done no conclusion has any foundation. Scagga, it's really easy. Check your boys' lossmails - see those sentry guns on there? Then check the EM pilot's mail - see the complete absence of sentries? That tells you quite clearly who fired the first shot. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:18:00 - [10] The question should not be who fired the first shots, but rather why those shots were fired. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.05.30 09:04:00 - [11] The Sebiestor Elders as advising council to Karin Midular demand that appropriate actions will be taken bij Delictum 23216 swiftly, mr. Laebetrovo, to clear this matter immediatly. RB join us today!
Hiro Yuki Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.05.30 09:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Hiro Yuki on 30/05/2007 09:26:25 Quote: The question should not be who fired the first shots, but rather why those shots were fired. Actually the question is exactly who fired first, as it's the breaking of a ceasefire. And an important one as it's a ceasefire whilst these delegation talks are occurring. Who cares why the shots were fired? Though since the people in question were with PIE, I think it's pretty obvious why they fired upon EM. Well done PIE, ruin your own peoples reputations. Hiro Yuki <Edit to spell things correctly!>
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 10:13:00 - [13] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/05/2007 10:21:54 Originally by: Hiro Yuki Edited by: Hiro Yuki on 30/05/2007 09:26:25 Quote: The question should not be who fired the first shots, but rather why those shots were fired. Actually the question is exactly who fired first, as it's the breaking of a ceasefire. And an important one as it's a ceasefire whilst these delegation talks are occurring. Who cares why the shots were fired? Though since the people in question were with PIE, I think it's pretty obvious why they fired upon EM. Well done PIE, ruin your own peoples reputations. Hiro Yuki <Edit to spell things correctly!> Now, I wasn't involved in the ceasefire negotiations and as such am not aware of their precise terms, but surely if EM were involved in terroristical activities, then that would constitute a breach of the ceasefire terms? As for PIE firing on EM ships, we have never had a ceasefire with them and still consider them to be valid war targets. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.30 10:46:00 - [14] never trust an Ammatar Evanda that was your first mistake anyone who remains under the Amarrian block has absolutely no honour bar those in Pie who are generally respectful pilots such as Rodj (salutes) however it just goes to show that our distrust of these talks for the republic is just another example of how this peace will affect nothing, when the Ammatar Mandate cant even have the respect of its own paramilitary forces to honour a ceasefire with republic paramilitary forces it shows that their is little respect for the talks from the Delictum camp. People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
Hiro Yuki Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.05.30 11:11:00 - [15] Read what I said, Rodj. I never said anything about you having a ceasefire with EM. The simple fact is that pilots from Delictium broke a ceasefire with EM. If EM pilots were, at the time, going against terms of that ceasefire, then the Delictium pilots should have spoken to whoever it was who negotiated the ceasefire and had it sorted out. Breaking a ceasefire is a pretty big thing. However, pie were involved, and EM are at war with PIE, so EM are allowed to fire at PIE. Delictium aren't allowed to get involved though. Not with a ceasefire in place. Hiro Yuki
Alywn Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.30 11:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Rodj Blake Now, I wasn't involved in the ceasefire negotiations and as such am not aware of their precise terms, but surely if EM were involved in terroristical activities, then that would constitute a breach of the ceasefire terms? Why? and is Terroristical actualy a word? Anyway... What "teroristical" activities were EM involved in this time? Do you even know what a terrorist is? Or is it simply the Ammarian loyalist's word of choice when dealing with any minmatar organisation? Originally by: Rodj Blake As for PIE firing on EM ships, we have never had a ceasefire with them and still consider them to be valid war targets. Likewise The fact remains however that Delictum pilots in breach of the ceasefire illegally opened fire on EM ships. So hush
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Alywn What "teroristical" activities were EM involved in this time? We believe that EM vessels were in the system to interfere with a legitimate search and recovery operation. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Alywn Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Rodj Blake We believe that EM vessels were in the system to interfere with a legitimate search and recovery operation. So how is this a terrorist act? Surely this is denying our enemies (PIE) of resources? And as such a legitimate act of war between EM and PIE as opposed to an act of terrorism.
Hiro Yuki Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:25:00 - [19] Edited by: Hiro Yuki on 30/05/2007 12:24:40 Quote: We believe that EM vessels were in the system to interfere with a legitimate search and recovery operation. So if EM had THOUGHT Delictium were going to shoot someone in EM... they could have legitimately shot up the whole of Delictium and you'd have supported that action? I think not. What you mean is that EM were there to do something against PIE and you cried for help from people in system. Hiro Yuki
Donte Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:28:00 - [20] As Delictum 23216's acting Amarrian Ambasador, I have not recieved, nor have i given orders to engage Electus Matari Pilots in any fashon. In all purposes we intend to maintain this fragile cease fire. A internal investigation has been opened and both myself and Scagga Laebetrovo are rigorously persuing the truth of the matter. If wrong doing is discovered, the purpotrators will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Amarr Victor!
Lux Simian	Posted - 2007.05.30 13:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Alywn What "teroristical" activities were EM involved in this time? We believe that EM vessels were in the system to interfere with a legitimate search and recovery operation. Ah PIE play the Terrorist card: Again, whilst utilising this as an attemp to cover up their undisciplined allies actual acts of illegal aggression - Acts it should be noted that triggered legal retaliation in defence of Electus Matari Pilots. What are we going to redefine terrorism as this week Rodj? Or is criminality in the name of what ever you say justified. Delectum committed at the least attempted Piracy, and given the history and political dimensions of their attack, an act of illegal aggression of political/sectarain nature, without legitmate recourse to authority, or as everyone outside of the apologist circle would call it Terrorism. PIE and Electus Matari are engaged in a legal war, as such their actions fall within those defined under the agreements and provisions of war, of which all the legitimate governments, orders and factions are signitory bodys, including your own highest authority. That these pilots acted in an illegal manner, means they did so either with or with out authority. If it was, as I suspect, without authority, then they should be reproched and punished accordingly for their attempted Piracy. Failure to do so would simply suggest double standards among the Ammatar and Amarrain factions. Whilst I may not agree with your principles, I have always held respect for your groups ability to function as soliders and within the law, and in the spirit of the law. If their engagement was authorised I suggest that Scargga changes his corporations name to the Delectable Angels or some such, a title that would be more befitting of those who endorse piracy.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.30 13:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Rodj Blake We believe that EM vessels were in the system to interfere with a legitimate search and recovery operation. You also believe that an invisible superentity wants you to enslave every non-Amarrian and then infect them with the same belief. But no matter. The point is that there is a vast difference between "we believe" and "we can prove." As you can provide no proof, your allegations against Electus Matari are as pointless as ... well, anything else you have to say. _
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Donte As Delictum 23216's acting Amarrian Ambasador, I have not recieved, nor have i given orders to engage Electus Matari Pilots in any fashon. In all purposes we intend to maintain this fragile cease fire. A internal investigation has been opened and both myself and Scagga Laebetrovo are rigorously persuing the truth of the matter. If wrong doing is discovered, the purpotrators will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Amarr Victor! We will disregard the PIE mingling in this discussion. The Sebiestor Elders eagerly await Delictum 23216 's findings and expect to hear from you before this week ends. RB join us today!
Robert Kauliford Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:39:00 - [24] As the senior Delictum pilot on the mentioned opertation I apologise wholeheartedly for the actions of myself and those pilots with me. Delictum had been contacted by PIE in order to aid in a search and rescue attempt within Ammar space I might add. We had been warned by PIE that we may encounter hostiles. When your pilots jumped in my pilots saw them as red and opened fire. They were then targeted and destroyed by sentry guns. In the ensuing confusion we realised our mistakes and took no further part in offensive actions against EM. I am sorry about what took place had we known it was EM pilots we were flying against I'd have commanded Delictum pilots to only aid in the location of the stricken vessel and not fire upon EM forces unless they were being fired upon. Lord Scagga will be informed of these facts in due course any further matters you may take up with him.
Lazuri Caldari Pale Riders Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Robert Kauliford As the senior Delictum pilot on the mentioned opertation I apologise wholeheartedly for the actions of myself and those pilots with me. Delictum had been contacted by PIE in order to aid in a search and rescue attempt within Ammar space I might add. We had been warned by PIE that we may encounter hostiles. When your pilots jumped in my pilots saw them as red and opened fire. They were then targeted and destroyed by sentry guns. In the ensuing confusion we realised our mistakes and took no further part in offensive actions against EM. I am sorry about what took place had we known it was EM pilots we were flying against I'd have commanded Delictum pilots to only aid in the location of the stricken vessel and not fire upon EM forces unless they were being fired upon. Lord Scagga will be informed of these facts in due course any further matters you may take up with him. Funny. I figured Lord Scagga would have been the first one informed of this, instead of walking into the Summit to lay this down. Also, the last I checked, I thought a corporation tag was displayed whenever you targeted a ship. Sucess is never promised to anyone, but failure is certain for those who never try.
Nebulous Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.30 19:56:00 - [26] Nebulous smiles And no one seen this coming? How long have I been saying that the ammatar can not "ever" be trusted? While delictum are only a single corporation within the mandate, their actions still reflect the ammatar as a whole, they are one hundred percent untrustworthy and these are the people the republic open talks with?
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 20:00:00 - [27] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 30/05/2007 20:00:18 Can someone please explain to me why Delictum should be bothering to try and maintain a ceasefire with an entity that: 1. Actively works against the entity involved in the negotiations with the Ammatar through support of U'K forces who are militantly opposed to the republic as it exists now and who aided in the theft of a Republic Super-Capital task force. 2. Openly commited multiple illegal acts of war with the Amarrian Empire while claiming to support an entity working to maintain the peace with Amarr. 3. Operates throughout Ammatar space as if it is Republic Space. Useing Ammatar Space to actively aid an openly hostile force to the Ammatar Mandate and attempting to aid fugitives from Amarr in Amarr and Ammatar space. Because as I see it now, this ceasefire between the openly at war with Amarr EM and the pilots of Delictum has been a farse from day one. Fortunately, it has no bearing whatsoever on the real ceasefire between Ammatar and Matari, because the EM have through their actions renounced any loyalty save to their cause of hatred against Amarr. Open your eyes, Ammatar, these are not supporters of the Republic and have not been since long before you began this ceasefire. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Robert Kauliford Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.30 20:01:00 - [28] Perhaps Mr Lazuri you have never been in the heat of combat where time for careful judgement is often lacking. I saw red I engaged
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.30 20:57:00 - [29] After filling in all the blanks in further private discussions, we have come to our conclusions. First, what we understand to be the facts: 1) Delictum 23216 pilots were operating under Amarrian command to assist a search and recovery operation in an Empire-controlled region, the Bleaklands. 2) We understand that Electus Matari forces entered Empire space with combat fitted ships and hostilities erupted between them and the allied Amarrian contingent of the operation. 3) At approximately the same time, it was reported that these forces appeared criminally flagged to the Delictum 23216 pilots, and thus they engaged before formal identification was complete. 4) CONCORD intervention lead to the loss of two frigates. We have no records indicating our ships caused any losses to the Electus Matari. 5) Without any pursuit of diplomatic channels, the Electus Matari unilaterally announce that the ceasefire is broken. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Robert Kauliford As the senior Delictum pilot on the mentioned opertation I apologise wholeheartedly for the actions of myself and those pilots with me. Delictum had been contacted by PIE in order to aid in a search and rescue attempt within Ammar space I might add. We had been warned by PIE that we may encounter hostiles. When your pilots jumped in my pilots saw them as red and opened fire. They were then targeted and destroyed by sentry guns. In the ensuing confusion we realised our mistakes and took no further part in offensive actions against EM. I am sorry about what took place had we known it was EM pilots we were flying against I'd have commanded Delictum pilots to only aid in the location of the stricken vessel and not fire upon EM forces unless they were being fired upon. Lord Scagga will be informed of these facts in due course any further matters you may take up with him. Thank you for your statement young pilot. The Sebiestor Elders will take this into account when they speak to Republic officials later this week. I hope you understand that careless triggerhappy actions will get not only you into trouble, but also can break down fragile diplomatic understandings in a blink of an eye. The Republic advisors of my tribe still expects Delictum management to come with their final statement on this matter. RB join us today!

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