Originally by: Etho Demerzel

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They will never, ever, ever, sue anyone. By doing that they would invite the opposite too, and CCP is the wroger part here. A fraud case is not very difficult to be made against them. And if this happens, and a true auditing company starts to go through their files, what we had here would be peanuts...

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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It is funny that all teh Goons and their supporters are doing right now is screaming about the "real" or "big" issue - the MSN thing.

So are you now stating that the whole Sharkbait thing wasn't a big deal and not worth an orchestrated campaign to slur CCP's name across the internet? Of course now that it has been proven to be false it is now of no importance. Nice tactic.

It's time for GoonSwarm members to look inwards and examine what went wrong and see how it came to pass that many excellent players in your alliance were misled, manipulated and duped into such a malicious chain of events.

It's good to see that Mittani has taken responsibilty in some form and resigned his position as CEO of GoonSwarm. I'm hoping that Remedial is in a real-life position where he can once again lead GoonSwarm into honourable battle and out of the snake pit that Mittani took them.

Can we get back to killing each other in Detorid and Tenerifis now. Cheers, see you on the battlefield.

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Originally by: Etho Demerzel

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Originally by: WhitePhantom

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1) Why do we have a log of a dev logging on to the ISD chat a VERY short time after the incident in the battle? I think we all know that petitions do NOT make it to senior GM's in just a couple minutes.

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I question if these logs are even real.

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2) Why have the statements by Dianabolic, which were never contradicted by BoB itself, regarding having preferential access to CCP personnel for in-game issues been ignored? That, to myself and many others, is the single biggest issue involved in these allegations.

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Please address this issue, even if its Dianabolic reporting and communicating in valid ways.

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3) Will there ever be any action taken to counteract the common impression that "CCP = BoB"? Whether it is true or not, the impression is common and widespread.

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Only a certain group of people think this, and those people spammed the forums, so I question their integrty.

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By Bobsters own world they are fighting 20000 players. I saw people from all the alliances who add to this number in these threads, as well as people not related to them, like me. So by a very timit figure I would say that at least 20-30K players are very dissatisfied with CCPs position in these matters. Considering these people are active I would say they are about 50% of the long term players of this game, again being very generous with the opposition, I would also say that the Bobsters, alts and their allies who are posting that they are content with the situation in these forums represent less than half of this amount. What remains is either uninformed, unaffected or too new to care about the subject.

Those that are discontent tend to talk to people, to post in other places and spread their positions to the potential client base of this company, most of whom will be turned away from the game. All that remains for CCP to finish this suicide is to start the mass banns. That will be interesting to watch...

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Originally by: Toffles

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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What do you have a 10 post per thread page minimum or something? Trying to compensate for hardly anyone buying in to this bs?

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Originally by: Toffles

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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf

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I expected no more and no less.

CCP can't afford to admit wrongdoing. Doing so could open themselves up to class action lawsuits both in the European Union and the United States. They simply could not survive if either of the trade commissions in those entities decided that fraud had been committed and thus revoked their ability to operate within their domains.

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This is something I've been wondering about. Maybe CCP sat down and weighed the options and decided they couldn't survive another t20. Perhaps this blog represents a business making the best decision for it's shareholders and not an impartial IA department revealing their findings. Then again maybe that's not the case and they just did an absolute crap job of investigation and PR.

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Originally by: Angus McDorble

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It is very sad that this had to happen to such a wonderful game.

Well, it was fun while it lasted...let's see what's left when the dust settles.

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Originally by: Mister Spanky

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 30/05/2007 07:15:02

Originally by: Angus McDorble

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It is very sad that this had to happen to such a wonderful game.

Well, it was fun while it lasted...let's see what's left when the dust settles.

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Maby the good goons will remain, hopefully alot of them will realise how much the bad goons are ruining it for them and lay the blame where it's supposed to be.

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You cannot possibly be serious. Everyone who quits is a bad Goon and everyone who stays is a good Goon?

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Originally by: Morning Maniac

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- Back off with the attack on Goons. It seems CCP jumped on the bandwagon to attack Goons rather then blame those responsible within Goons they just blame all the Goons. This puts you at the same level as those who call everyone in CCP and BoB cheaters because of the T20/BPO incident, something which I don't think is the case either. I know decent people in both camps and I hate the fact that both sides are wrongly accused.

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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Originally by: CCP Arkanon

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The allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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We do not ask for any retributive action to be taken, either in-game or out, on our behalf.

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Atleast try to be cohesive CCP

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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We have BoB people admitting to having friends within the CCP staff which whom they communicate through MSN and such, i.e. Dianabolic.

We have BoB people admitting to use that friendship to get things done ingame, i.e. Orange Species.

And we have BoB people saying that is not a problem.

You're a joke really, you know that right?

The fact that you don't even seem to realize how absurd this is, is making me laugh. You have cocooned yourself so deep in your own little world with half the veteran eve players and a few pet developers you chat with in your own little private channels that you don't see the obvious conflict of interest anymore. Talk about pathetic.

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Originally by: Treylis

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So why is it OK for BoB to have a personal relationship with CCP employees, but when GM Eldini had an account temporarily on the GF forums after some folks met him at fanfest, he was forced to sever contact or get fired?

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Whatever CCP did or did not do, you will have to agree with me that the perception of inpropriety is pretty damn strong here. And the mere perception of inpropriety is enough to send the subscriberbase of Eve into an unprecedented frenzy.

CCP may have quelled this riot, but to assume that a next one and another one after that won't follow unless they remove even the mere perception of impropriety would be a folly of the highest order.

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Originally by: Etien Aldragoran

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Bolded the important part for you, since you're apparently to stupid to read it all coherently. He was trying to be "friendly" with us, something BoB say they do with Devs, but was forced to delete his account because it was improper, yet when you do the same thing on MSN with DEVS for ******* christssake, not just some lowly GM, its all kosher and CCP looks the other way.

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Originally by: Treylis

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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I don't have to agree with you, and you ignoring the Goon GM and bashing only on BoB shows why i don't. People trust CCP until it's their enemy they can accuse.

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He wasn't a "goon GM", as I already stated, he was merely a guy some folks met at fanfest. Actually, I know of a number of corporation members that outright hated him beforehand due to his handling of petitions. Also, CCP actually took action and, as I also already stated, forced him to cut off ties or get fired.

Ignoring the differences is totally disingenuous.

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Originally by: Illiya

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Originally by: Bu Ya

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Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara

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Why on EARTH would you even consider that!?? Retributive action out-of-game? Is this another word for violence? Jeez.......!! How did you get this job!??

The CCP/BoD credibility issue is as persistent as ever - not least due to forum 'moderators'......

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There was an excerpt from the BoB forums where a BoB member hinted at physical retribution. Kieron probably just forgot what forum he was on.

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Originally by: Illiya

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Let's suppose for a second that some of you are right and we have screwed up by citing dianabolic's own testimony as evidence. If it's not true than it's a troll to stir up the controversy even farther. If he's trolling then he has done so multiple times on this issue and should be banned from eve-o. If he's telling the truth than he's implicated CCP and we no longer can trust the Developers. Either way, it's still a bad thing.

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Originally by: Scandalous X

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there is absolutelly nothing surprising here. a company accused of ebildoing decided to conduct there own "internal" investigation to decide if they are guilty. they completed it and proclaimed they are inocent.

some of you were expecting a different result i take it?

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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Plus, if CCP had done any research on Something Awful, they would have known that the Goons aren't scared of legal threats. They think they're cute. This assumes that there is a single "Goon" entity that could he held legally responsible. SomethingAwful.com is the closest, but how to prove that they're legally liable. Add in the headachs for international jurisdiction, the fact that the Goons could be from diffrent countries, then actually PROVING the claims, and you have yourself a heck of a lot of legal fees with victory hardly being gaurenteed. It wouldn't have been so bad if they had done so quietly, but they HAD to play Internet Tough Guy and start talking smack, thereby turning this fully into Goons vs. CCP. It gives the Goons more ammunition then they could ever dream of, and furthur cements the idea that if you speak out, CCP will react badly. It's almost like intimidation: if you complain, we will sue your RL butts off.

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